When posts are deleted without an explanation
 

If posts are deleted and the reason is not due to an infraction would it be possible that a general comment is made on the thread by the mod who deleted it as to why? It seems to be happening more and more in ...yes ...SD :laugh:

I'm not known for abiding by the rules very well, but with the condition of SD at the moment, it's quite obvious why a mod would delete some posts. They are obviously trying to either prevent something escalating into an argument, removing something off-topic or it's something worthy of a warning or infraction and they're actually giving you a chance..

That's the point some times it's not obvious at all? If posts are removed as off topic, it's not difficult to give a quick explanation, Niamh generally goes bold for it, it's a system all mods should adopt this approach in my view.

I can't say I've noticed.. My posts don't go missing :idc:

Well my posts have been deleted for stupid reasons before but when it comes down to it, the mods can only use their own judgement to take the action that they think is right. Yeah, I've complained about it but I'm not going to ask them to post a reason every time they delete a post. :joker:

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So you have complained about it? So why did you bother complaining if you didn't want anything done about it :unsure: I'm sure the mods can take on board suggestions, if they can't why do we have a suggestion thread :laugh:

I'll be honest... I would rather take an infraction if I posted something wrong rather than censorship without explanation. That being said... I don't want my infraction reasons to be riddled with sarcasm...just a direct reference to what it is for would be nice.

A lot of the time posts are removed for being part of an argument or quoting a post that is part of an argument, when something like that has happened in a thread most members taking part in the discussion will know why posts have been removed.

Having just looked through youre entire list of infractions I can say there is not one sarcastic comment there, just some detailed reasons letting you know exactly what a warning or infraction is for.

Well that is simply not the truth

No it is the truth Mokka, we've been here before if I remember correctly and I had to then posts some of youre deleted comments to prove that I was telling the truth, you had nothing to say afterwards if I recall.

The fact is you possibly see something sarcastic due to not agreeing with the reasons, as I mentioned before it's only some detailed reasons as to why the infraction or warning was given in the first place.

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Are you feeling better Josy?

No Josy.
I wasn't posting on the site when you decided to release half of my deleted post....edited for your convenience... in the time you referenced. So it wasn't that I had nothing to say... it was that I wasn't here.
Also, I would prefer a mod who is not giving my infractions to read through and decide what is sarcasm and what is an actual reason for an infraction... because you are not very good at regulating yourself...let's be honest

Only had one post deleted to my knowledge, and on reflecting about it I realised it was probably called for in the interest of keeping the peace.
No complaints here.

I'm not too bad thank you Cherie.

I will mention in the admin forum about a comment being posted when posts are removed.

There's an infraction from plenty of mods on the list, you're hardly being targeted.

I'm as fair as I possibly can be on here, as are all the other mods but there's always certain members that can never accept when they are wrong and then try turning it around on the person infracting them.

I pasted the entire comment that day Mokka, the long one you posted that was clearly designed to cause trouble and unrest in a fun light hearted thread due to you being unhappy at one of your friends being banned, but this is way off topic.

More untruths ... you did not post the entire comment Josy. But that's fine. You have the power to spin the tale you want...and I have posts deleted and no proof to show the truth.... which is what the heart of this thread is. The people in control can censor and edit what they want... and the users of the site have no voice.

I posted the entire paragraph that you posted and then had removed.

As I mentioned this is off topic so if you can wait til I'm home later I will try look up the thread and actually send you the quotes and a screenshot from it, what you think I have to gain from posting untruths about your comments I have no idea but I generally don't have the time nor the energy to go to all of that trouble tbh.

Can we get back on topic now please.

You brought it up in some kind of exposè about me...but sure let's drop it. I honestly don't care. It doesn't take away from my argument in this thread that deletion of posts without explanation is censorship.

That's great Josy thanks :love:

Do I address MY contentions that your statement is not true in ALL cases on here Josy? Or in a pm to you?

Not only have I had COMPLETELY INNOCUOUS posts removed without ANY genuine reason, I have had subsequent posts INSTANTLY removed which simply asked "Why has my innocuous post been removed when it has breached no rules at all?"

I recently had 6 posts removed - ONE AFTER THE OTHER - just as soon as I posted them:

The first was a civil rebuttal response to a Mod who had made accusations against me in a post.

When it was removed not a nano second after I had submitted it, I posted a benign post asking why it had been removed.

When THAT was instantly removed, I posted a STILL civil post asking why my posts were being removed and along with them my Right To Reply.

Later on that thread, the Mod involved asked another member for 'proof' to her allegation that he was not 'playing by the forum's own rules' or words to that effect" and in response to his invitation for 'proof', I posted simply that "My proof keeps being removed".

For which simple INNOCENT TRUTH I enjoyed a Warning:

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Dear kirklancaster,

You have received a warning at ThisisBigBrother.com - UK TV Forums.

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You have been here long enough to know that when posts are deleted you don't keep bringing them up especially just to cause more drama or derail a thread.


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My PROOF keeps being removed???

Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,
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I have kept all relevant threads and can produce the above verbatim if need be, along with Warnings and Infractions for such totally innocent posts as:

posting CIVILLY to a member who I was debating with "I'm sorry, but you are simply not making any sense" - when SHE WAS NOT making any sense.

And again, for posting a good-natured humorous response to a member who had JUST posted the EXACT words I was about to post:

"You took the words right out of my mouth"

Did either of the above REALLY warrant punishment? Especially when so many far more grave and GENUINE breaches of forum rules are seen to be ALLOWED on a daily basis?

Did my posts above really deserve to be removed?

I would welcome a civil answer to be honest.

I've just looked through your infractions, There's nothing wrong with them and I imagine any other mod would say the same.

all my posts were deleted when i told everyone the difference between Panseual and Bisexual

I think the warning speaks for itself.

We delete offending posts and any posts that reference those posts, you know that if you continue to post about deleted posts after they've been removed then you run the risk of being infracted because it basically continues any deleted drama and derails the thread.

You know what to do if you need clarification on a deleted post and posting about it in the thread itself isn't it.

I was addressing my questions directly to Josy, but perhaps as the Mod in question - you could tell me what to do? Should I pm you?

And the 'warning' most certainly DOES NOT speak for itself - for a start it is a private culmination of a very public and distasteful, unfair and unethical sequence of actions perpetrated by a MODERATOR against me.

You made an uninvited post about me on a thread on this forum which contained numerous wrongful allegations about me and I responded CIVILLY to rebut and refute those allegations.

My RESPONSE was removed.

When I posted to CIVILLY ask why you had removed it. That response was almost instantly removed also.

And so on and so forth - 6 times - until I had no choice but to give up trying to exercise my 'Right To Reply'.

Yes, I'll be happy to clarify why posts are deleted. One of the reasons why we often don't often mention why posts are deleted in the thread itself is because it draws attention to the deleted drama and people will talk about that rather than the subject matter.

I appreciate that mods are here to offer up explanations as there does appear to be some dissension on the matter. Personally, I've never had anything deleted, edited or removed on TiBB... so I can't say for sure anything...

However, on other sites I used to receive PMs when posts were removed, edited, when threads were moved etc... some places the edits were made on the post and an explanation towards the end... (probably should poll users before doing this to see if it is appropriate)

I think this works far more effectively than a non-explanation and even in some cases better than an infraction... doesn't need to be an exhaustive rundown, just short and to the point explanation. Maybe one or two sentences. It invites a response, a little more work sometimes on the front end for a mod :laugh:, but it does give the affected user a chance to explain their problematic post, allowing room for mutual respect to occur, and hopefully to prevent further issues in the future... which imo, is not only is more transparent for user, but for the mod but for the user... makes it easier to mod discussions over time as some users get the message quicker and can build rapport (lead to less micro mgmt)... then you can focus solely on taking care of the true bad guys :laugh:... because you see better the intention of some people's writing styles and can correct them accordingly, and not witnessing an increasingly disaffected user who feels continually impeded when making arguments in highly contested threads.

I have no problem with the person on question...and they appear to have a problem with me if they are reporting me a lot...but that still doesn't tell me what my infraction was for .... it is just a targeted statement insinuating I have some sort of malicious intent...which I don't

I actually have no idea what I said that was seriously uncalled for?? :shrug: if I did I would never have posted it. How can I alter or change my actions for the better on the forum if I have no idea what rule I broke?

Calling my comment pathetic sniping is baiting and insulting and sarcastic commenting. Just say the last part... no need to insult when giving an infraction

These are all examples from my first page of infractions...most recent.
Moderation implies impartiality and decorum....even in the face of nondecorum... this is some of what I am referring to... but I have seen others get far worse then me from the mods on here... and I my comments on here are not just about my account

What Maru said :laugh: that pinpoints my thoughts on the matter beautifully

Wow. Yeah. Moderating is certainly a real drag sometimes... but to me this is counterproductive as you've just sniped at the user you told not to snipe (even worse it feels more personal)... no good result can occur. Try saying something like this to a customer or client who is being combatant...(well if you weren't so bitchy with your complaints :nono:).. see if their reaction improves. Spoiler: It won't. The manager will be called (always great when that happens :laugh:) and they will feel even more entitled to their position... which means it'll take more to satisfy them and calm them down... my view.

Exactly... I would never say something like this to a client or customer with a complaint... and I deal with complaints on a daily basis as part of my job description

To be fair to you, I think you responded to my post just as I was editing it and adding to it, so you may have missed the full post.

I the hope of securing a straight answer, I reproduce it here:

"I was addressing my questions directly to Josy, but perhaps as the Mod in question - you could tell me what to do? Should I pm you?

And the 'warning' most certainly DOES NOT speak for itself - for a start it is a private culmination of a very public and distasteful, unfair and unethical sequence of actions perpetrated by a MODERATOR against me.

You made an uninvited post about me on a thread on this forum which contained numerous wrongful allegations about me and I responded CIVILLY to rebut and refute those allegations.

My RESPONSE was removed.

When I posted to CIVILLY ask why you had removed it. That response was almost instantly removed also.

And so on and so forth - 6 times - until I had no choice but to give up trying to exercise my 'Right To Reply'.

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I don't think anyone complaining in this thread would do a good job at being a mod, in all honesty. The mods are still going to have to use their own judgement and when they tell you the reason you're going to disagree with it anyway, so you'll still see it as a vendetta against you.

Not being ideal candidates for the Judiciary ourselves, does not preclude us from expecting Justice to be dispensed with impeccable honesty, impartiality, reason and erudition by those who ARE Judges, Jessica.

Is a Big Brother forum really being taken this seriously?

This tbh

From my time on here, I don't think people get infracted for nothing and in general, if you post something, you're not really going to see what's wrong with it, otherwise you wouldn't have posted it, so obviously when you are told that it's wrong, you're clearly not going to agree that it is.

Just live and let live and get on with your day imo.

..all I'll say while posting one of the forum rules which are signed up to by all...is that whatever which way, whether an explanation left in the thread or no explanation given, it won't be right for all because it's different personal preferences...and we did have an appeals section which was removed because all it mostly involved was staff becoming involved in the disgruntlements of members and no time left for moderating...and I think personally if an explanation were given for each post removal...again so much time taken away from moderating the forum which is unfair for everyone as that's why we choose to post on a moderated forum...



Staff members on the forum have the right to delete, modify or change the content of any post at any time for any reason without notification to anyone. They can also ban or restrict forum members for any reason at anytime. If a moderator edits your post on the forum do not remove the edits.

You could have always sent a PM asking why but you did not.