VTS has killed this show
 

VTE is far better. If it was VTE, the top protagonists would still be there and Stacy, Jedward and Nicola would be out instead of the interesting ones that have gone.

Screw the noms, just put everyone up every week and go to VTE and the series will turn around if its not too late allready.

Its becoming unwatchable and so predictable.

Stacy, Jedward and Nicola are three of the interesting ones

:joker: @this

I have been championing vote to evict again from a CBB point of view for a while now, especially when we'd have lost some awful ***** in the summer really early.

But this year it's worked for me, the eviction order so far I've totally agreed with.

Nicola hasn't been up either yet, so how has VTS saved her?

Oh and just fyi, Stacy would not have been evicted in the first VTE. It would've still been Angie or Austin

Not your 100th "this is becoming unwatchable" thread this series

I agree noms should be permanently scrapped but just have an all up vote to save each week instead, you'd 99% be guaranteed to get rid of the deadwood then

James Jordan would still have gone if it was vote to evict. It just would have cost me a lot more.

This.

Uh yeah while I agree Jedward is terrible, they seem to fit the protagonist role, although they might've lost their place in VTE.
Anyway, Nic and Stacy are definitely protagonists. Is that like, even a question. Stacy's mad everyone do a 180 on their perception of her, she had 5 people nominating her and she had none this time? Also she took out two of the biggest bullies in the house? What is not protagonist about Stacy Francis?
'predictable' there's been two evictions and tbh I would've figured a lot of us would've put their money on Cosmo and people were torn as to who would go Friday night. That's far from predictable

Im loving how all the usuals support the VTS and argue against anything remotely to do with such a radical step. Lets just remember one thing, the premiss of the show was built on the VTE and if all the HM's knew it was VTE and not VTS, they would nominate differently. There is nothing that will convince me that VTS promotes anything but crap results. Results speak and this year, we have lost nearly all the big people and are left with the likes of Kim and Callum to save the show, I dont think so, its a nasty, tactical and at times unwatchable mess. VTE would save it.

People are allowed to have opinions that aren't the same as yours, Sam. No need to talk down to everyone who doesn't share your opinion.

It's Big Brother, not Brexit. Adjust your seriousness accordingly.

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the past 7 series*

I find Vote To Evict gets rid of some good characters, but Celeb BB is usually crammed with the biggest characters anyway, so I find Vote To Save is a bit wasted. I think they should try a series where it's like, one week VTE and the next week VTS, and so on & so forth. It would be interesting to see how the housemates change nominations based on which form of voting it is... it would bring out the gameplayers & tactical voters pretty well.

So many good entertaining people in that I don't think it matters.
Loving the flash eviction and face to face moms etc.
A few surprises keeps them on their toes.

I think the eviction order has been fine so far - and I liked James and Jasmine.

It can't always go your way.

Stacy, Jedward and Nicola are the interesting ones and we've only evicted Angie & James J so far.... the results would've been no different as well...

Anyway

No...vote to evict tends to get rid of whoever is causing the most drama. Also Stacy and Nicola HAVE been some of the main protagonists so quite why you are moaning then still wanting the drama goner I am not sure? :tongue:

VTS has its faults, but I much prefer it and would rather have it (or preferably a vote to save AND a vote to evict line...) for the main show.

Vote to evict with the whole house up would be horrendous too. Vote to save with the whole house up however...we would be rid of Jamie for sure.

FInally (sorry for number of posts..) we have only evicted Angie and James J. I think Angie would still have gone, possibly Austin instead. And tonight James J would probably still have gone over Jedward...

If big brother ever started free app voting, I'd love for them to do it so every user gets one free vote to save and one free vote to evict.. then in calculation they cancel each other out basically.. That would be really interesting

Thats what I want for the phonelines..I think it would be much more fair than any other way of doing it

Vts absolutely works better with cbb, and vte works better with bb imo.

You could use that argument to say the hms would all act differently if it eas vte..robbing us of all the drama...

Just in CBB, or BB as welll?

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It all boils down to matter of opinion I guess

I'm not pro VTS, but (so far), this series it has worked

Totally agree VTE gets rid of the chaff

Where in that statement do you see me talking down to people, I simply stated facts. The talking down is only there is you look with frosted eyes. If you do however want to mention or take action about talking down to people, you might like to scan the thread and count at least 5 posts that ridicule me. Fairs fair eh. I dont talk down, i simply make observations and use facts in evidence and everyone knows what i mean, including you

I don't see any posts ridiculing you. I think you are imagining that. :shrug:

People won't always agree with you but it doesn't mean anyone is picking on you.

My husband is on about doing BB but he says its all pointless with VTE as he would be guaranteed to be out first. I agree with him. He would be ridiculously hated, especially on here :laugh:

Tell your husband to become a sassy female then he'll win :joker:

I told him theres no point auditioning as he doesn't have an agent and next to no housemates are picked via auditions these days. Pointless waste of time sadly

The old shows with real,everyday people were by far the best

Definitely both. Even more so for civilian if anything

Normal noms are dull as hell, overrated and never really happen these days anyway. Scrap them

Posts 7 14 15 and 16, what are they, just professional baits hoping for a retort so they can wind up. Opinions are 2 way but slighting is a trait that sone professional baiters have gotten off to a tra. Just staying the right side of the line so as not to get infracted. Happens to me all the time so i know how it feels.

VTE would save Nicola.