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Iron Fist (Debuts on Netflix on the 17th March)
The last Marvel solo series to air before the Defenders. I think it looks okay, definitely looks more in line with Daredevil than Jessica Jones/Luke Cage. |
I can't say I previously knew much about Iron Fist before he was announced for Netflix/Defenders but from this trailer... ... ...
... ... ... Oliver Queen? Iss dat you? :joker: Some definite similarities ther but :shrug: it still looks decent and I'll probs binge it. I just hope the final 20 minutes of Luke Cage wasn't indicative of the direction we're heading because I honestly found it awful despite enjoying the series as a whole :umm2:. |
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Finished the Iron Fist, I quite enjoyed it, here's my rankings for all four Defenders
1) Daredevil 2) Luke Cage 3) Iron Fist 4) Jessica Jones I've really loved them all, despite any flaws they may have. |
I watched the first two episodes and I'm completely bored by it. The writing is terrible and clumsy (the hobo in the first episode randomly offering to google people for Danny was atrociously written). The choreography so far is underwhelming and most of the characters seem like archetypes. I'll keep going with it but it does feel like the bosses of the Netflix Marvel shows decided to let the interns do Iron Fist.
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I'm sort of enjoying it but agree it's not quite up to Netflix-marvel standards for me. Some of the writing is indeed clumsy but the major issue for me is that Danny Rand (thus far, I'm on episode 6) is straight up unlikeable? And a bit... Simple, almost?
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"Wot? It's true! Why are you not believe me? :( " |
Reviews are slaughtering it. Will give it a go soon. It can't be worse than Luke Cage after you know what happens..
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The way Danny goes about trying to prove it is silly though. |
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I'm also unsure what it is that Rand brings to the defenders that's any different? He essentially fights like Daredevil, but with a Luke-Cage-Hand limit break :hee:. OK his iron fist thing might actually be stronger than Cage / Jessica Jones but from what I've seen so far, he can't or doesn't actually use it very often :think:.
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Maybe he's the Tony Stark and they need his dollaz...
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Oh yeah, which reminds me, someone in an early episode described that Rands as the richest family in New York / Rand as the richest company. Does that mean he's richer than Stark? Also... Isn't it likely that he would have met / know the Starks when he was young?
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Also, interesting little nugget, this is from the flashback in S1 Ep1 of Daredevil https://thenerdsofcolor.files.wordpr.../randtruck.jpg |
Just finished Episode 4, it's gotten watchable now that they've started to develop a story beyond all the Dallas styled soap opera **** but Danny's insufferable and the actor is just not very convincing in the role. He looks and acts like a student that's just come back from a gap year, not a martial arts master that spent 15 years training.
I guess I consider it watchable as a guilty pleasure but it's a far cry from the likes of Jessica Jones which was just a fantastic show through and through. |
I've given it time now, I think the show is okay, if they do a season 2, they need to really up their game, hopefully Danny will be better in the Defenders.
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I also think the series wasn't action-focused enough for the character. It seems to be more in tune with Jessica Jones and Luke Cage which focused more on other aspects of the story with the action being less at the front. The difference being that (IMO) the Jessica Jones storyline was darkly compelling and Luke Cage's (for MOST of it) was an intriguing character drama. But does ANYONE give a **** about Rand Enterprises? Or find the Meachum family drama in any way interesting? I don't think so! It needs to be more like DareDevil which strikes a more 50/50 balance. Still plenty of story focus but a lot of action in the majority of episodes, too. Give it a better fights / stunts budget, get in a skilled stunt double for Danny and give us more martial arts ass kickery :joker:. The best action scenes of this series (if far fetched...) have been Colleen Wing's cage fights :think:... |
Here for Colleen and Claire being BFFs tbh.
I demand the Claire, Colleen and Misty team up series that we deserve! |
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Finished Episode 6, Madame Gao's elevating proceedings a bit but I'll be pissed off if she dies and all that potential they've built up gets wasted in this series.
Everything else is starting to gel together a bit now but Danny just doesn't work. The writing around him is supremely clumsy (the whole talking to his master thing is PAINFUL) and he suffers from a major case of Barry-Allenitis in that he's got all this power and shouldn't really lose against anyone he's fought so far but he does because the plot demands it which makes him look incompetent in the process. I'm also starting to sympathise with Ward, if I had to deal with that manchild day in day out i'd be popping pills too. Also the Hand are pretty poor villains, they are just an amorphous organisation which is difficult to care about. They were the worst part of Daredevil S2 and they aren't much better here although Gao's presence is improving things. |
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I think Ward is supposed to be a sympathetic character really. Just the product of his father, who is a really slimy little cretin :joker:. I'd actually say one of the most effective villains so far, purely on account of being so genuinely unlikable. |
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I only sympathise with Ward because Danny's so unlikable though, I doubt that was the writer's intent :laugh: |
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I've put some more thought into Iron Fist, and how it stacks up with the rest, I feel that unlike the other three, there is no great villains like Fisk, Kilgrave, Cottonmouth, Shades, or hell, even Diamondback (I think the fight would have been better if he looked less dorky, lol). While Iron Fist has some interesting characters, there is no real full on villain, Madame Gao is great, but that is thanks to Daredevil building the character up.
The fight scenes were pretty lacking too, the only one that stood out at all was the hatchet fight. Danny's motivations also don't seem to exist, he's in New York because...? I think for season 2, we definitely need more insight into the character, and a better overall plot. |
Despite its flaws I've quite enjoyed plodding through it whilst pottering about doing other things, but that did make me realise something. It's definitely far less complex than the other three shows. You CAN watch it windowed whilst (for example) sitting in TiBB arguing the toss on SD, and still follow what's going on. I've gotten through the series much faster than I did with either DD series, Jones or Cage... And that's because all of those series demand your full attention. If you get distracted doing something else you constantly have to skip back because you missed something important to the plot. Doesn't happen with Iron Fist very often... Which suggests that the plot is pretty simple. I don't necessarily mind that, I like a good mix of easy viewing and more complex shows on my "to watch" list.
I do agree that Danny himself is massively under-developed as a character, though. He just doesn't make sense. He doesn't seem like he has the strength of mind required to SURVIVE 15 years of intense martial arts training... Let alone to thrive and become Iron Fist :think:. I mean, for all of Arrow's flaws in recent seasons (though I actually thought the most recent episode was above par) they at least have convincingly created a character who returned from his "missing" time as a completely different person to the rich kid who left. There's a clear path of him going from soft billionaire to hard as nails vigilante and it for the mostpart works. Danny Rand seems to have managed to spend 15 years in a monastery working himself half to death with training, being beaten with sticks for failure, and has come back... As exactly the same kid, except a martial arts master! It's not very plausible [emoji23]. |
I finished it.
It went from boring, to watchable but bad to straight up ****. Spoiler: IF there's a season 2, I'm just going to read a plot summary. I can't watch another 13 hours of this ****. |
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