UK Government say now is not the time for Indyref2
 

............let ms fishychops squeal........................

Mark L

Just proves we're not a "union of equals" then. The democratically elected government of Scotland (with a far higher vote percentage than the tories) denied a referendum and a choice. What a disgrace. It will backfire on her though, support for independence will increase.

Could you even begin to imagine what the response would have been if the EU blocked the Brexit referendum.

Just proves it's not a good time to run two campaigns at once. :shrug: You have after all already had the referendum and lost the vote.

It's quite funny how it's not seen as the same thing tbh :laugh:

The EU blocked the result of Ireland's referendum on the Lisbon treaty. Already happened.

It's not like she said never, she just said it's not the right time. We were told it wasn't the right time for any votes on Europe for 40 years. I don't see the point really. At least you got a vote on the Lisbon treaty even though it ended as a betrayal.

They didn't block the result, they asked us to vote again and we voted yes the second time (I didn't but ya know)

Telling the Scots what they can and can't do......like what you all were pissed at the EU for doing.....same thing

At least you got a vote, we waited 40 years.

Saying not now, isn't the same as saying no you can't. The Scots told us it was once in a generation, not once every two years.

That was before you decided to leave the EU and split the 4 countries of the UK in two

Saying not now, isn't the same as saying no you can't.

With regard to the EU we all had a vote, we voted as a union. No one at any time suggested we were voting on the EU as separate countries or regions.

I live in a Tory borough. My borough always votes for them, I don't, but I doubt I'd have much luck in overturning the government based on that.

You can't be in the UK and a country in isolation, the Scots voted to stay in 2 years ago, I'd imagine they will get another shot once Brexit is done and dusted, now isn't the time and it's very self serving of Nicola to even try and bring it to the table, no one has time for her whining

But it should be looked at as separate countries rather than the Union because Northern Ireland is going to be effected probably in the worst way because what are we supposed to do, have border with them again? and if so is that going to start up violence again? We're tiny countries (originally one country) on an island and we can't even trade freely anymore because England and wales said so

But it isn't as separate countries that we went into the referendum. No one ever suggested that it was. The Scots had already voted to stay in the Union, we voted as one nation.

That may be in part because no one thought we would vote to leave but we did.

Now it seems everyone wants to cherry pick.

hardly, the campaign for the Scots remaining in Britain was "Better together" and this is what the Northern Irish and Scots wanted by staying in the EU too but clearly better together equals better fall in line with what England wants

They can have it
Once we are out of the Corrupt EU
in 2019.

OK Greg.

There are plenty of people in both Scotland and Northern Ireland who also wanted to leave the EU.

I'm sorry that some of our neighbours don't like the English much but I don't think that is my problem so much as theirs. I don't bear them any ill will at all. :shrug:

At the time of the Scottish referendum the EU stated that if Scotland left there was no guarantee that they would be able to remain in the EU. That was when Spain first started to make noises over a veto. We aren't dragging the Scots out of the EU in as much as they probably wouldn't be in the EU had they left the UK.

We all had a vote, we voted as one nation and we voted to leave the EU.

Scotland all had a vote, they voted as a country to stay in the Union and be one nation with the rest of us. I can't be any clearer than that. :shrug:

I have no idea why the BIB is in your post........

Whether Scotland leave or stay doesn't really effect me much I just think it's quite unfair that them not getting back into the EU as a separate country was used as a threat in the first referendum but then a couple of years later they were dragged out anyway and you won't admit that's a legitimate reason for them to have another referendum :shrug:

Northern Ireland leaving the EU will effect me and my country though

if i was scottish i would want to know all of the facts as to what being out of the eu will mean before having another vote on independence.

The scots leaving won't affect anyone tbh :laugh:

I think they will do some fudge of a deal regarding the border in NI

They're going to have to, it could have dire consequences if not

The threats about the EU were made by the EU for the most part during the Scottish referendum.

Why do I need to admit something? I thought a discussion thread was about discussing our views on a subject, not having to validate others points of view. :shrug: I've never personally said the Scot's shouldn't have another referendum ever and I have no political power to make that decision. Though in my opinion the EU stance is a weak, politically motivated tool for the SNP. Sure I would prefer the union to remain, this is my country, it has always been the union during my lifetime, and the past 300 years, well I'm mildly sentimental and I am interested in history, but do I really personally care if Scotland choose to go? Not losing any sleep over it. Am I interested in the politics of the situation and do I have opinions on it? Sure. Do I think the change is a legitimate reason for another referendum so soon? No not really since the EU said independent Scotland wouldn't have been a member anyway last time round. Still not losing sleep over it.

I'm inclined to agree with May that it's not a good time there will be a lot going on with Brexit so I guess Scotland will have to wait it's turn.

If the EU are now willing to have Scotland with open arms, that isn't going to change if they wait a bit longer to leave the UK and find out. If the EU won't have them that isn't going to change either.

Seems sensible tbh.2 years.Get all the Brexit stuff out of the way.One thing at once.
Even if the PM said do it whenever it probably would'nt happen until the back end of 2018 anyway.These things take time.

gotta remember it's not ALL about her.......................

time to recognise that her fellow scots voted to remain

Mark L

Are you talking to yourself?:joker:

oops! busted......................it's official i'm an embarrassment............

Mark L

There should be a referendum for Scotland, it would be scandalous if Parliament tries to block it and it would likely only ensure that Scotland would leave when they eventually get their referendum.

Denied a choice? They made it. Loud and clear.

Sturgeon ignoring her Scottish people and the choice they wanted and calling a new referendum until she gets her own selfish way?

Roofliss.

So one rule for the Brexit referendum, You have said on many an occasion we made our bed now we must lie on it, but the Scots get a rerun even though they won't know what they are voting for :joker: priceless

Well it's not tbh

:clap1:

The situation is completely different, the Scottish referendum was held prior to the EU Ref which pretty much showed the world that Scotland has no say in what happens in the union. The slogans that the 'in' side used 'Better Together' turned out to be 'Better as England's bitch'.

The consequences of leaving the EU were laid bare for all to see for months beforehand yet Leavers chose to make the wrong decision anyway, they deserve what they're gonna get but Scotland didn't vote to remain in the UK to have no say in what happens. I think it's very fair that they get a do-over because the situation has changed, Scotland has been thrust into uncertain waters through no choice of their own, I think NI are entitled to leave if they wish as well.

The EU situation hasn't changed, it was a bad prospect when Leave won and it's still a bad prospect now. To compare it to the Scottish Referendum is rather flawed logic because that situation has changed.

Keep trying, Cherie.

No its not. The level of control that the EU has / had over the day to day running of the UK is MASSIVELY exaggerated by Brexit supporters who would have you believe that the country was effectively being run from Brussels... Which is ridiculous.

Whereas the day to day running of Scotland IS controlled and restricted to a large extent by London.

"They'd be being asked to make a decision without all the crucial information"

That's never been a problem in the past, Theresa

agreed
the scots voted to remain in the uk , knowing full well a EU referendum was coming the next year or 2 as promised
That means we still have a UK government who have the right to put off a scottish referendum during their time in governance
Another referendum now in the middle of brexit article 50 would be frankly insane and it shows exactly how horrific sturgeon and the SNP are. They dont really give a damn about the UK or the british people , they simply want to succeed on their one and only policy to break up the UK and pick up their euro cheques

That is all absolutely incorrect and a contradiction too
If you count all EU regulations, EU-related Acts of Parliament, and EU-related Statutory Instruments, about 62% of laws introduced between 1993 and 2014 that apply in the UK implemented EU obligations