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Wizard. 25-05-2017 09:31 PM

Jeremy Corbyn uses Manchester for his own agenda
 
When national campaigning resumes tomorrow Jeremy Corbyn is set to make a speech about the attack and how Labour will not let things like that happen.

Disgusting vile trash.

the truth 25-05-2017 09:33 PM

hes gonna blame labours wars abroad

Scarlett. 25-05-2017 09:35 PM

So like this forum has been doing for the past few days then.

Northern Monkey 25-05-2017 09:38 PM

I think the voters need to know what Labour will do about this.
I can't see anything wrong with that.We need to know before we vote.

Wizard. 25-05-2017 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9315713)
I think the voters need to know what Labour will do about this.
I can't see anything wrong with that.We need to know before we vote.

Yet Jeremy Corbyn ass lickers are sure Theresa May would be the one to exploit the attack but the pies on your face now

the truth 25-05-2017 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9315713)
I think the voters need to know what Labour will do about this.
I can't see anything wrong with that.We need to know before we vote.

He will blame our foreign policy but he will not blame uncontrolled immigration, or open borders allowing terrorists to move back and forth

some will agree, some will disagree, some a bit of both
But that means he will lose

Withano 25-05-2017 09:41 PM

Should probably listen to it before drawing conclusions

Could be more of a tribute - type speech

Could be more of a 'think like me or else more terrorism' - type speech

One of these is okay

Edit: although the debate on whether its too soon is still open

Kazanne 25-05-2017 09:42 PM

No one can STOP them,if a terrorist wants to kill he will,nothing to do with politics, The UK does pretty well in stopping most of them,but some will always get through, Corbyn is talking through his arse as is anyone trying to blame other party leaders.

Wizard. 25-05-2017 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9315717)
No one can STOP them,if a terrorist wants to kill he will,nothing to do with politics, The UK does pretty well in stopping most of them,but some will always get through, Corbyn is talking through his arse as is anyone trying to blame other party leaders.

Yes he's blaming austerity
An insult to the police force who couldn't have done a better job
No wonder Diane Abbott got booed by the Police Federation

lewis111 25-05-2017 09:45 PM

This is obviously the issue that is going to take over the election
We've seen how May has dealt with it and people need to know how Corbyn would deal with a situation like this

And as Withano said, we can't judge it until we've heard the speech

lewis111 25-05-2017 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley. (Post 9315719)
Yes he's blaming austerity
An insult to the police force who couldn't have done a better job
No wonder Diane Abbott got booed by the Police Federation

Can you show me where Corbyn has blamed the police or even the Tories for this attack
Not coming for you just curious to see if he has

Wizard. 25-05-2017 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewis111 (Post 9315720)
This is obviously the issue that is going to take over the election
We've seen how May has dealt with it and people need to know how Corbyn would deal with a situation like this

And as Withano said, we can't judge it until we've heard the speech

Okay let's wait to see if he does say what's been leaked so far, but if he does exploit his desperate attempt to get votes should backfire on the sad old man

armand.kay 25-05-2017 09:48 PM

I would like to hear how all the parties plan on dealing with this. Little girls were blown up at a pop concert and Labor are being vilified for putting forward a way of stopping it?

Brother Leon 25-05-2017 09:49 PM

Looks like it's someone else with the Agenda here..

lewis111 25-05-2017 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley. (Post 9315722)
Okay let's wait to see if he does say what's been leaked so far, but if he does exploit his desperate attempt to get votes should backfire on the sad old man

If he critizes the emergency services or the Tories for things that they had no choice but to do then yes I'd agree it would be wrong
But if he just states what he would do in this situation without attacking what the conservatives have done I don't see an issue, as long as it's done in a respectful manner

Wizard. 25-05-2017 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewis111 (Post 9315721)
Can you show me where Corbyn has blamed the police or even the Tories for this attack
Not coming for you just curious to see if he has

He will tomorrow apparently on the news

Cherie 25-05-2017 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riley. (Post 9315714)
Yet Jeremy Corbyn ass lickers are sure Theresa May would be the one to exploit the attack but the pies on your face now

It's not exploiting it to say how you plan to tackle it :shrug:

Greg! 25-05-2017 09:52 PM

Whoever wins the election will be in charge of security and the police so he's got a right to make a speech about it and criticise the the current government.
The hard facts are Theresa May cut 20,000 police officers and was warned that she'd have to put troops on the streets to protect the country. She ignored those warnings and now it's happened.

armand.kay 25-05-2017 09:57 PM

Imagine if when the campaign resumes they all just go back to discussing school dinners like nothing happened.

Denver 25-05-2017 09:58 PM

Labour is the reason why we have the terrorists in this country

joeysteele 25-05-2017 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9315724)
I would like to hear how all the parties plan on dealing with this. Little girls were blown up at a pop concert and Labor are being vilified for putting forward a way of stopping it?

Exactly, we need to hear all their thinking now,we heard UKIPs today.
There has to be an issue of 20,000 less police officers and absolutely, the foreign policy as to the middle east,re Iraq,Libya and Syria too,also in my view does need taking into consideration as to longer term,reducing the fury felt against the UK.
Which in part will have contributed to these vile attacks.

Corbyn needs to spell out his thinking and highlight anything to help find any possible way to start to eradicate these attacks,if at all possible.

Scarlett. 25-05-2017 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9315708)
hes gonna blame labours wars abroad

and so he should, they were illegal wars and they did cause a backlash against the west.

the truth 25-05-2017 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9315742)
Labour is the reason why we have the terrorists in this country

true

Marsh. 25-05-2017 10:34 PM

Terrorist attacks happen

Politicians vying for control of the country comment on preventing attacks like these.


I am shocked. I didn't expect this.

Brother Leon 25-05-2017 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9315742)
Labour is the reason why we have the terrorists in this country

Yeah. Nothing to do with Torrie and Obama governments funding and supporting ISIS and other "moderate rebels" initially. Both parties are to blame.

Denver 25-05-2017 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 9315792)
Yeah. Nothing to do with Torrie and Obama governments funding and supporting ISIS and other "moderate rebels" initially. Both parties are to blame.

Tony Blair was the first to invade Iraq when he had no business doing so

Jarrod 25-05-2017 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9315790)
Terrorist attacks happen

Politicians vying for control of the country comment on preventing attacks like these.


I am shocked. I didn't expect this.

This.

the truth 25-05-2017 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9315807)
Tony Blair was the first to invade Iraq when he had no business doing so

true

Tregard 25-05-2017 10:48 PM

Quote:

Corbyn will say ‘Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home.’ Suggesting that UK foreign policy bears responsibility for terrorist attacks here just days after a terrorist atrocity has killed so many children is, to put it mildly, controversial.

Now, Corbyn will add that ‘That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions.’
Not exactly "a speech about the attack and how Labour will not let things like that happen". It could go either way, depending on the surrounding context.

rusticgal 25-05-2017 10:57 PM

It's a cheap shot...Corbyn and his government won't make any difference. I think our intelligence services have prevented many planned attacks...but unfortunately these things will continue to happen despite our best efforts and no other party will be able to stop it...like I say it's a cheap shot.

Mystic Mock 26-05-2017 02:04 AM

It will be interesting to hear what he says as I'm not convinced that he'd do much better tbh.

Jack_ 26-05-2017 04:06 AM

If you think Crosby hasn't been drafting up a plan to use this to the Conservative's advantage, you're completely naive. Things are about to get vary nasty, very quickly.

We'd all prefer this incident to not be politicised so soon, but it's going to be. And quite frankly Corbyn needs to define himself on this issue before his opposition define him, which is what happened to Miliband. I am absolutely terrified at what lies ahead if that disgusting woman is gifted a landslide majority, there is far too much to lose to just allow them to get away with setting the agenda here.

He's treading a fine line citing UK foreign policy, even if he is right. Should be focusing more on the cuts to policing under May's watch as home secretary, which, as we can see here, she was warned about:



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34875077

He needs to ask serious questions about why two people could report Abedi's penchant for extremism and nothing be done.

And, of course, point out that he was right all along:



These clips need playing ad nauseam for the next two weeks. The tabloid press are about to unleash an all-out assault and it's imperative Labour are prepared for it.

Kizzy 26-05-2017 05:44 AM

Excellent post jack, thank you.
I just hope those sentiments are remembered on June 8th

Beso 26-05-2017 06:28 AM

I wont be surprised if hee appears in a buhrka.

thesheriff443 26-05-2017 06:59 AM

Both parties will use the terror attack as a platform as to why they should be in power.

Death from terrorist attacks in this country are few and far between but deaths due to underfunding in the nhs is happening ever single day.

DemolitionRed 26-05-2017 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9316012)
Both parties will use the terror attack as a platform as to why they should be in power.

Death from terrorist attacks in this country are few and far between but deaths due to underfunding in the nhs is happening ever single day.

Its two weeks until the elections and we all want to know who's going to do what about the ongoing terrorism on our shores. Personally I think its crucial that the table is laid bare. What's going to be done, who's going to do it?

The right wing tabloid backers made it their mission to use this incident for Tory gain. UKIP made it clear very quickly about how they would handle things. Labours ideas were leaked but not yet officially out and yet its the Labour party who are getting hammered by people who's thinking skills don't go beyond 'us against them'. :shrug:

Kazanne 26-05-2017 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9315724)
I would like to hear how all the parties plan on dealing with this. Little girls were blown up at a pop concert and Labor are being vilified for putting forward a way of stopping it?

No they are not,they are being vilified for trying to be the good guys and hinting Teresa May was the cause.

DemolitionRed 26-05-2017 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9316028)
No they are not,they are being vilified for trying to be the good guys and hinting Teresa May was the cause.

He wants to put forward some pivotal political points; those points being, why, since the Tories took over have 19,000 police officers gone and the number of armed police halved? Nobody is saying Blair's NL didn't do the same thing. He's guilty of following Bush into Iraq whilst making police cuts here but the Tories jumped on NL policy and continued those cuts to the point of crippling our British police force.

He wants to point out, and so he should, that austerity was not about us all being in this together because when you have to cut a police force and emergency services down the middle, it doesn't work for the common good.

He's not justifying terrorism but he's linking terrorist acts with government policy and he's absolutey right to do that. The Green party, the Lib Dems and UKIP will do the same.

DemolitionRed 26-05-2017 09:10 AM

We shouldn't have troops on our streets. We should have more trained professionals working J's and trying to find terrorists. What's a soldier capable of? putting his life between me and a terrorist? I suggest that's too much to ask of him.

Withano 26-05-2017 09:48 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...reat?CMP=fb_gu

Quote:

“our foreign policy reduces rather than increases the threat to this country”.

“Many experts, including professionals in our intelligence and security services, have pointed to the connections between wars our government has supported or fought in other countries and terrorism here at home.

That assessment in no way reduces the guilt of those who attack our children. Those terrorists will forever be reviled and held to account for their actions. But an informed understanding of the causes of terrorism is an essential part of an effective response that will protect the security of our people that fights rather than fuels terrorism.”


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