What Enoch Powel said in 1968 !!
 

This is what Enoch Powel said long before some of us were born,1968 ,do you agree with what he said all those years ago,Was he right or was he wrong?

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Some of his points may very well have been true, but I find his 'rivers of blood' speech very racist and can't agree with it.

Most of the middle bit's true but instead of it being the immigrants fault it's the conservative's with cuts to NHS, education and housing. So not in the way he imagined..

Enoch Powell was a right twat, so I half agree with you there

If I'd been around then most of his comments would have disgusted me.
I read more racism as to a fair bit he said.

So,no I would not have agreed or supported him.

Was he a Labour man or Conservative Smudgie? what was the river of blood speech,let me google it.

Did you know him?

If Enoch Powell was born into an immigrant family he would of had a different view.
Should one person decide how and where another person should live based on skin colour and the country you were born in/

[QUOTE=thesheriff443;9316225]If Enoch Powell was born into an immigrant family he would of had a different view.
Should one person decide how and where another person should live based on skin colour and the country you were born in?

Oh, okay, I'm sure all the racism was an act and he was lovely behind closed doors

I only asked as you called him a twat,I was only asking about him as was chatting with someone about it today wondered how many on here knew of him as a politition,that is all:shrug: Were you around when he was in parliament? if you don't ask you never learn anything.

Kazanne its like Oliver twist asking for more food.

Tory.
I can remember him in his latter years.

The one thing that he has definitely got right is there is an overpopulation crisis in the UK due to open door immigration which means that jobs are hard to come by for anybody living in the UK (including the immigrants) it will be harder to get seen at the NHS due to the overpopulation, and of course there will be issues with Schools as it's gonna be very hard to get into a top School if there's loads more people in the country.

However Enoch Powel seems to just be against all immigrants just because he doesn't like them which I completely disagree with as some immigration is good for this country financially.

I have done a bit of reading up on him Smudgie,he seemed very controversial for his time,very outspoken too,the Tories sacked him apparently.

I don't think i can disagree with any of that particular quote tbh.

every word of this is accurate

No doubting every word of that has come to fruition. We are living his prediction and many had no say in that. There are many kinds of oppression and that is one of them.

100% Right !!

Wow...........i hoped i'd never in this day and age see people who call themselves British acting like cheeleaders for such a truly repugnant man!

Our ancestors gave their lives fighting to stop people like him from ever ruling this Country and i'm extremely grateful for that.

Cheer on...........:bored:

Yes definitely if we carry on the way things are. It will be worse under Labour who let them all in come hell or high water.

You only have to take away, I and n from sane, to get a totally different person.

Allegedly is one of the best words ever invented.

I feel like this is a tall order on a thread that's basically asking "Was this well known historical racist right or wrong" :umm2:...

I mean... personal and insulting... sort of is the only topic here.

I actually know very little about him, I know the name but nothing about what he did or what he stood for

That sums it up quite well really. Like a proto-Farage... actually makes Farage look good.

I literally don't know how to say anything else on this topic without indirectly insulting forum members, tbh.

I might have a read up about him later

Just read his rivers of blood speech, wow. Although, i hate to say it but it's not too far off some stuff I've read lately regarding Muslims.

I thought it was pretty funny though, this bit :

That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century.

Like what is he saying here exactly?? America was built on the back of immigrants who almost wiped out the indigenous people and after that they were the ones shipping in immigrants to use as slaves :/

That is exactly what he's saying though... Lamenting the end of slavery and quaking in his boots at the idea of people from "the dark continents" living there on any sort of equal footing as free citizens. But you're right, the whole thing reads almost word for word like something you might read in a tabloid opinion piece, on social media, or on a forum these days. The sort of dialogue that a year ago I would have sworn was long a thing of the past, died with the likes of this fellow. But here we are... It's back, loud and proud, and getting louder.

It's pretty scary really, how backwards attitudes seem to be going. I mean I understand people are scared because of the attacks, I do get that but attitudes like Enoch powells only make everything even worse and only serve to divide people even more.....which is exactly the reaction that ISIS are looking for really

Our ancestors would not have picked up a weapon if they had known what would happen to the country they knew. No one can every talk about immigration without being branded. That's what I find repugnant.

Hm yes, everyone wanting to have a sensible, reasonable discussion about immigration is "branded". The content of such "discussions" has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Everyone wanted a sensible discussion and no one listened. And that why we are facing Brexit. That's why the Right is having a bit of a comeback. No one asked whether diversity was what people wanted, it was forced upon the by people who think they're right about everything. Now, no one can speak about it without being branded a racist.

Indeed - Brexit was what it took to be heard in these politically correct times when, even in the so-called adult world, name-calling is the name of the game and the way to go to shut down unpopular opinions with the left.

Brexit was inevitable and those crying the loudest about it carry a large proportion of the blame.

I thought Brexit was about what was best for Britain though not pay back for not being allowed to talk about immigration?

It is in my opinion but I think there is little doubt that immigration was a reason why so many voted for Brexit. I do believe many, including myself, were frustrated about being shouted down every time they expressed concerns on this issue. It turned out this issue was a concern for the many rather than the few.

this is what Enoch said in a live interview in 1977, as said/ THE PROSPECT IS THAT POLITICIANS OF ALL PARTIES WILL SAY WELL ENOCH POWELL WAS RIGHT BUT WE DON'T SAY THAT IN PUBLIC BUT WE KNOW IT IN PRIVATE, ENOCH POWELL'S RIGHT AND IT WILL KNOW DOUBT DEVELOPERS HE SAYS, BUT ITS BETTER FOR US TO DO NOTHING NOW AND LET IT HAPPEN PERHAPS AFTER OUR TIME THEN TO SEIZE THE MANY POISONOUS NETTLES WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO SEIZE IF WE WHERE AT THIS STAGE GOING TO ATTEMPT TO AVERT THE OUTCOME, SO LET IT GO ON UNTIL A THIRD OF CENTRAL LONDON A THIRD OF BIRMINGHAM, WOLVERHAMPTON, ARE COVERED UNTIL THE CIVIL WAR COMES, LET IT GO ON WE WON'T BE BLAMED, WILL EITHER HAVE GONE OR SLIP OUT UNDER SOMEHOW. Enoch did not really predict it, but he knew that it is going to happen, why, he was in the highest area's of government, and that means he had information that the public would never have been aware of, and he knew what was going to happen in the next 40 to 50 years, and it is becoming reality right now, he saw what the government was going to do in the future, and that's why he was really kicked out of politics.

Yeah, because the community and culture we had/have isn't as a result of immigration and "mixing with strangers" anyway. :joker: