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Brillopad 07-06-2017 04:12 AM

May will rip human rights laws to fight terror
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...or-legislation

Long overdue - but this is a step in the right direction.

Black Dagger 07-06-2017 05:39 AM

Cant wait to get sacked for liking dick x

Kazanne 07-06-2017 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9339336)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...or-legislation

Long overdue - but this is a step in the right direction.

I agree and not before time:wavey:

Beso 07-06-2017 06:17 AM

Good move.

I cant wait for friday when the round up starts..water board the cowardly bastards and get as much info as possible before deporting for ever or jailing forever...i would prefer a quick bullit to the head but let the ****ers suffer.

user104658 07-06-2017 06:22 AM

"May will use terror as an excuse to rip up human rights law", I think you mean.

Horrific stuff. Truly horrific.

Vanessa 07-06-2017 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9339336)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...or-legislation

Long overdue - but this is a step in the right direction.

It's about time. Terrorists have no human rights :nono:

user104658 07-06-2017 06:27 AM

Anyone who believes that this will only erode the rights of "terrorists" is an idiot. A flat out idiot.

Vanessa 07-06-2017 06:30 AM

Terrorists need to be killed on sight. They wear bomb vests and carry huge knives and guns. They want to kill people, so that the only way to stop them.

Beso 07-06-2017 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9339373)
Anyone who believes that this will only erode the rights of "terrorists" is an idiot. A flat out idiot.

Me me me...from the better deal for all party...the caring party.:joker:


When women are being surrounded by 3 men who then try and behead her on the streets of london then im happy for my government to see that ive been searching for tibb on my phone...as everyone should be...unless of course they have stuff to hide.

Anaesthesia 07-06-2017 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9339373)
Anyone who believes that this will only erode the rights of "terrorists" is an idiot. A flat out idiot.

Exactly this.

Anaesthesia 07-06-2017 06:45 AM

And has everyone forgotten this already too?

Brexit: Theresa May accused of sweeping 'power grab' with plan to rewrite laws without MPs' approval

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7659086.html

WAKE UP PEOPLE.

Brillopad 07-06-2017 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9339371)
"May will use terror as an excuse to rip up human rights law", I think you mean.

Horrific stuff. Truly horrific.

I knew someone would say that and I think it's a load of bull. She won't last long if she does that.

Beso 07-06-2017 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 9339382)
And has everyone forgotten this already too?

Brexit: Theresa May accused of sweeping 'power grab' with plan to rewrite laws without MPs' approval

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7659086.html

WAKE UP PEOPLE.



Another accusation taken as fact...in a human rights thread as well....:joker:

Brillopad 07-06-2017 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 9339382)
And has everyone forgotten this already too?

Brexit: Theresa May accused of sweeping 'power grab' with plan to rewrite laws without MPs' approval

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7659086.html

WAKE UP PEOPLE.

I don't believe that. Our main priority right now has to be to fight terrorism and get rid of these scum threatening all of us. They have no human rights as they gave up any entitlement to them when they committed terrorist acts.

I think the rest of it is paranoia.

Vanessa 07-06-2017 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9339405)
I don't believe that. Our main priority right now has to be to fight terrorism and get rid of these scum threatening all of us. They have no human rights as they gave up any entitlement to them when they committed terrorist acts.

I think the rest of it is paranoia.

:clap1:

user104658 07-06-2017 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9339402)
I knew someone would say that and I think it's a load of bull. She won't last long if she does that.

Why won't she last long? If we know one thing, it's that the public at large will accept pretty much anything - anything at all - if there's a bomb threat attached to it. Cowards of the highest order, willing to sign away every truly great part of life in the West, out of fear. Exactly what the terrorists want. And clapping like seals for it.

Stu 07-06-2017 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9339368)
I cant wait for friday when the round up starts.

Yeah, fifteen minutes after May gets elected I bet it'll look like the sheep herding scenes from Babe and your vote will keep you safe forever. Believe believe believe :cheer2:

Beso 07-06-2017 07:22 AM

All this its what the terrorists want bull**** is just that, BULL****.

Only thing they want is non believers dead..simple as that.

Beso 07-06-2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu (Post 9339418)
Yeah, fifteen minutes after May gets elected I bet it'll look like this sheep herding scenes from Babe and your vote will keep you safe forever. Believe believe believe :cheer2:

Im not stupid enough to believe it will keep us safe for ever stu...but its a start.

Stu 07-06-2017 07:27 AM

Oh it's a start alright.

Kazanne 07-06-2017 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9339368)
Good move.

I cant wait for friday when the round up starts..water board the cowardly bastards and get as much info as possible before deporting for ever or jailing forever...i would prefer a quick bullit to the head but let the ****ers suffer.

parmy for PM :wavey:

Denver 07-06-2017 07:47 AM

I dont know why anyone would want to give the scum human rights

Vanessa 07-06-2017 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9339438)
I dont know why anyone would want to give the scum human rights

This!

user104658 07-06-2017 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9339378)
...unless of course they have stuff to hide.

Oh this old soundbite being trotted out. "You wouldn't be worried about privacy if you had nothing to hide! Here have my phone I'm scared of... Well, everything pretty much. Keep me safe mummy government!"

user104658 07-06-2017 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9339419)
All this its what the terrorists want bull**** is just that, BULL****.

Only thing they want is non believers dead..simple as that.

:worry: we'll that's me convinced. Cut off the Internet immediately Mummy May.

DemolitionRed 07-06-2017 08:15 AM

What about us, should we have human rights? think about that.
Anyway, it will be an interesting police state; the police hate her as much as we do.

T* 07-06-2017 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9339373)
Anyone who believes that this will only erode the rights of "terrorists" is an idiot. A flat out idiot.

This
I'm not a politics fan or anything but ffs do some of you not know what you're sleep walking into!??

user104658 07-06-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9339458)
What about us, should we have human rights? think about that.


Not if it means terrorists do any terrorist things! :fist: I personally would accept a daily waterboarding if it meant we could deport everyone.

Kazanne 07-06-2017 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9339458)
What about us, should we have human rights? think about that.
Anyway, it will be an interesting police state; the police hate her as much as we do.

She has said,she will alter the laws for terrorists human rights if she needs to,people really need to listen more and stop panicking,and please don't speak for me,I don't hate her,I don't hate any of them,why would I ?I don't know them.

user104658 07-06-2017 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9339464)
She has said,she will alter the laws for terrorists human rights if she needs to,people really need to listen more and stop panicking

The only people who are "panicking" are those who think that even the suggestion of accepting a reduction in our rights is acceptable because they are so overwhelmingly terrified of terrorist attacks. People fought tooth and nail for centuries to achieve the rights we have today... and now people are willing to give them away - APPLAUD giving them away - for the temporary illusion of peace of mind? I don't know. Maybe we've become spoiled. Maybe we take our rights and freedoms for granted.

Those of us who are disgusted by the idea of the government selectively "removing rights" and "changing laws" as suits are not panicking. We're watching a very, very slow car crash and doing this: :facepalm:.

Quote:

and please don't speak for me,I don't hate her,I don't hate any of them,why would I ?I don't know them.
Are you a police officer, Kazanne?

DemolitionRed 07-06-2017 08:38 AM

This isn't just to do with terrorists and I honestly pity those who think it is TS.

Which of the rights enshrined in the ECHR does May think the British people are better off without? Do we have an answer to that question? And why are people under the impression that the ECHR has everything to do with the EU? Its a document inspired by Churchill, drafted by British lawyers.

user104658 07-06-2017 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9339474)
This isn't just to do with terrorists and I honestly pity those who think it is TS.

Which of the rights enshrined in the ECHR does May think the British people are better off without? Do we have an answer to that question? And why are people under the impression that the ECHR has everything to do with the EU? Its a document inspired by Churchill, drafted by British lawyers.


I don't pity them; I pity those of us who appreciate them and are going to lose them anyway because of the anxiety of the masses.

Those who are happy to see them go, I hope are the very first to suffer for losing them.

Northern Monkey 07-06-2017 09:20 AM

I'm all for taking away terrorists 'human' rights however anything like that would have to be scrutinised thoroughly in Parliament and the Lords and you can bet it will be in the media, to make sure it doesn't affect the average human.

I think we have to be wary certainly that absolutely anything doesn't get passed but i also think there's a certain amount of paranoia that the government are trying to turn Britain into some Orwellian distopian nightmare.Why would they want to?They can't even track the 23,000 jihadis we already have.Why would they want to add even more work to their load by tracking and locking up the other 65 million people.

Withano 07-06-2017 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9339336)

Long overdue - but this is a step in the right direction.

:joker: you cant be serious

Withano 07-06-2017 09:52 AM

"WE NEED TO FIGHT TERRORISM"

"Hmm. Lets lose a load of the police force, and abolish human rights"

"Excellent idea, long overdue"

Its genuinely got to the point that people will support tories in whatever they do.

user104658 07-06-2017 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9339521)
I'm all for taking away terrorists 'human' rights however anything like that would have to be scrutinised thoroughly in Parliament and the Lords and you can bet it will be in the media, to make sure it doesn't affect the average human.

You can't, though, any changes made to human rights laws apply to everyone. That's sort of the point. Of course it will affect the average human. Happily allowing them to change these things in one way sets a precident for them to change all sort of other rights in any way they want. So yeah... today they use the rhetoric of terrorism: WOOP WOOP! Yay! Get 'em! No human rights for terrorists. Or whatever.

The point is; that's just today. Tomorrow it'll be disability rights, the right to a basic sustenance income, workers rights... not all of them and not straight away but the point is, they will take it as a mandate to change anything they want to change, to fit any agenda they have at the time.

Scrutinized in the Lords? No, they've already shown that they're willing to dodge around that and are actively trying to erode / dismantle the HoL. Scrutinized in the media? Nope. Tell them it's "all for the greater good" and people will lap it up.

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I think we have to be wary certainly that absolutely anything doesn't get passed but i also think there's a certain amount of paranoia that the government are trying to turn Britain into some Orwellian distopian nightmare.Why would they want to?They can't even track the 23,000 jihadis we already have.Why would they want to add even more work to their load by tracking and locking up the other 65 million people.
I know you used the term but do you actually know the basic premise of Orwell? Of course they don't have the resources to track and lock everyone away. That's the whole point. The entire concept of "Big Brother is watching" is that it's a method of control that means they don't HAVE to do much... because the knowledge that they can is enough to keep people obedient and under control.

jaxie 07-06-2017 10:12 AM

My son is raging about this today. I'm a bit more philosophical remembering just how difficult it was to deport Abu Qatada. If it means changing the law to be able to get rid of people spreading hateful ideaology it might be worth it.

Oh and I don't pity anyone with a different view or think they are an idiot.

Vicky. 07-06-2017 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9339373)
Anyone who believes that this will only erode the rights of "terrorists" is an idiot. A flat out idiot.

Sorry I have to agree with this. Do people not realize this is your own rights being eroded?! Jesus...

user104658 07-06-2017 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9339570)

Oh and I don't pity anyone with a different view or think they are an idiot.

No need for pointed comments jaxie :idc:.

jaxie 07-06-2017 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9339575)
No need for pointed comments jaxie :idc:.

No there isn't TS.


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