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Crimson Dynamo 17-06-2017 10:20 AM

How sorry for Theresa May do you feel?
 
Manchester, London Bridge, Brexit, the election, the Grenfell...the list goes on. She has had a terrible time and she has the queens speech thing. She would hardly have any free time or sleep :(

How sorry for her do you feel right now, your heart must go out to her?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/...PA_468x717.jpg

Smithy 17-06-2017 10:23 AM

I don't :)

smudgie 17-06-2017 10:26 AM

I do feel for her, but it is all part of the job.
The horrors that have happened this past month or so are heartbreaking for everyone in the country, as they must be for her on a personal level.
On top of that it is her job to try and make sure these tragedies never happen again, on top of Brexit, Queen's speech and trying to sort her party out.
Very difficult, but it goes with the job.:shrug:

Kizzy 17-06-2017 10:26 AM


Cherie 17-06-2017 10:45 AM

I wouldn't wish what has happened in England in the last month on any leader, losing her majority is the least of her problems now, and anyone that gloats over it when people have died needlessly is pretty sick, I don't think she has handled Grendell particularly well so far

Black Dagger 17-06-2017 10:54 AM

I don't. She can lie in her bed.

Kizzy 17-06-2017 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9366693)
I wouldn't wish what has happened in England in the last month on any leader, losing her majority is the least of her problems now, and anyone that gloats over it when people have died needlessly is pretty sick, I don't think she has handled Grendell particularly well so far

Who has gloated?... Who would gloat?

What an odd thing to say, almost as odd as thinking anyone would have any sympathy for may in relation to recent incidents, ALL my sympathy is for the victims.

It's Grenfell btw.

joeysteele 17-06-2017 10:56 AM

Nothing at all do I feel for her.
I have never thought anything else as to her since coming across her over a decade ago.
To me she is a deceiver and false. Even in tragedies she has to be near shamed in coming anywhere close to the needed and right response.

Withano 17-06-2017 10:58 AM

As if shes personally writing the queens speech

King Gizzard 17-06-2017 11:00 AM

Not really any sympathy at all, when she put herself in this position by wanting to be PM. She should expect mass scrutiny. Cameron had the same level but just dealt with it better, talked himself out of a few holes whereas she just seems to hide or get someone else in the cabinet to deal with it. When he realised he'd ****ed up, he left. She's just desperately gripping onto power and does herself no favours. She doesn't help herself, especially shirking any sort of responsibility by debating and talking to the media when that's one of the first things on the job description. The elections was her fault (granted probably an advisors idea but she agreed to do it). Without *personally* knowing her she seems devoid of any emotion or empathy

I'm not really factoring the last week in because what has happened would be difficult for anyone. But Corbyn getting in amongst the victims and talking, sympathising (and giving out hugs..) while she hides behind a "security" excuse (but then the next day she actually goes and visits victims so that excuse was bull****). Even if you dislike Corbyn you have to admit he's handled this week admirably. Although it probably has to be said he's coming into this as the opposition and not facing the anger of the victims who want answers. It wouldn't have harmed her showing her face the first opportunity she could all the same

Greg! 17-06-2017 11:05 AM

I feel a bit sorry for her. Getting called a "murderer" and things is a bit much.

BUT she brings it on herself by never answering questions, not meeting the fire victims and calling an unnecessary election for selfish reasons.

user104658 17-06-2017 11:07 AM

Hmm. She saw a little bit of power in sight and she grabbed it with both hands, when she wasn't cut out for the job either professionally (she's just not good at it) or emotionally (she doesn't know how to handle it).

So... Not very sorry. Nothing has happened "to" her that she didn't invite through personal ambition.

Cherie 17-06-2017 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9366709)
Who has gloated?... Who would gloat?

What an odd thing to say, almost as odd as thinking anyone would have any sympathy for may in relation to recent incidents, ALL my sympathy is for the victims.

It's Grenfell btw.

I do have sympathy because as I said and I repeat no leader in any country should have to deal with what May has had to deal with in the last month, and that has nothing to do with the election which pales in comparison to all the horrors England has heaped on it. The opposition are gloating and trying to make political hay out of a tragedy, shameless really, and i don't doubt the Torys would be doing the same if Corbyn was PM.

Kazanne 17-06-2017 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9366667)
Manchester, London Bridge, Brexit, the election, the Grenfell...the list goes on. She has had a terrible time and she has the queens speech thing. She would hardly have any free time or sleep :(

How sorry for her do you feel right now, your heart must go out to her?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/...PA_468x717.jpg

Really sorry for her,I would not want that job for anything.I am sure people think they just sit back and do nothing,they don't,it's hard graft and they wont always get it right,more annoying is the fact whatever she does is wrong in some people eyes,do you think she sits there and thinks,Oh I'll do this today that will piss the electorate off" ? a weaker person would have run for the hills,but no,she has apologised to her party and is endeavouring to get things right, and the things shouted at her by people (and journalists) is disgusting,If I was her I wouldn't want to help people like that . I see the BBC has had a hammering for their bias towards the Conservatives in the election,and the relish on peoples faces (reporters mainly)Kay Burley was particularly bad.when they were digging the knife in,which is funny as they actually won.

bots 17-06-2017 11:16 AM

I don't feel sorry for her, its her job, its what she signed up to when she accepted the position.

I can have some sympathy for not being able to please all the people all of the time, particularly when views are so polarised as they are now. Lets not kid ourselves, labour would fare no differently with the current divides in the country. So, I accept that she may have handled things different and its a view held by many, but that doesn't mean its all the people. Its not a competition about who can shout the loudest or the most aggressively

Kizzy 17-06-2017 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9366731)
I do have sympathy because as I said and I repeat no leader in any country should have to deal with what May has had to deal with in the last month, and that has nothing to do with the election which pales in comparison to all the horrors England has heaped on it. The opposition are gloating and trying to make political hay out of a tragedy, shameless really, and i don't doubt the Torys would be doing the same if Corbyn was PM.

Good for you I wouldn't wish terrorism or tragedy on any country either, although I would have thought that would go without saying.
The opposition are not gloating, they are calling for an adequate response which, as yet they have not had.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7794506.html

Withano 17-06-2017 11:27 AM

I think people who feel sorry for her forget that she can step down at any point. She can actually step down and have her whole party benefit greatly. Its a win/win situation, and shes chooses the weird third option.

Brillopad 17-06-2017 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9366743)
Good for you I wouldn't wish terrorism or tragedy on any country either, although I would have thought that would go without saying.
The opposition are not gloating, they are calling for an adequate response which, as yet they have not had.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7794506.html

They are not just calling they are demanding - taking from the rich (as in steal their property) to give to the poor as in line with their far-left policies. That is a road democracy does not want to go down. If, as some have already mentioned, Corbyn is that passionate about this he can offer a room or pay for a room/house for someone - he can afford it. Set an example.

It's the same as people spouting about taking millions of refugees - those that dictate these policies and impose them on others never do anything personally to accommodate people they insist must be allowed in. Again - words come cheap.

joeysteele 17-06-2017 11:38 AM

Sorry can't vote in the poll since there's no 'not at all sorry for her' on it.

Northern Monkey 17-06-2017 11:49 AM

A little sorry for her.Yes she has brought it on herself with the election but the other events she's had to deal with must take there toll.It's not been an easy ride.

Jack_ 17-06-2017 12:25 PM

Not in the slightest. She called this election in an attempt to wipe out all opposition, effectively set up a one-party state, and then enact the cruelest Conservative manifesto for a generation.

Her hubris in thinking she could avoid the electorate at all costs was astounding, refusing to take part in debates, kicking workers out of factories to talk to a handful of her cronies, pretending she was going to go out and 'talk to the voters' when she did anything but (and the time she did it was a disaster). She had the gall to stand on the steps of number ten the morning after without acknowledging the disastrous night they'd had, or apologise to any of her colleagues who lost their seats, instead continuing to pretend all is fine and dandy. And then she refuses to meet the victims of Grenfell when even the Queen can.

She is a despicable ****, and deserves all the humiliation and abuse she gets.

Brother Leon 17-06-2017 12:29 PM

Not at all. She bought it on herself.

hijaxers 17-06-2017 01:21 PM

How can you feel sorry for someone with no empathy :conf:

Shaun 17-06-2017 01:37 PM

Those events have nothing to do with her so I don't think anything of her at all.

jet 17-06-2017 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hijaxers (Post 9366870)
How can you feel sorry for someone with no empathy :conf:

I'm sure she has empathy, she just finds it hard to show it. Some people are just naturally reserved and closed - off.
Many don't seem to mind at all that Corbyn, the cuddly hugger, and McDonnell supported and sympathised with the IRA murdering THOUSANDS of innocent people, and NOT in a role as peace promoters as they try to spin it.
Many just deny it or refuse to believe it and carry on with their Corbyn love regardless.
I've learned that many Labour supporters under Corbyn are uncaring hypocrites.

Brillopad 17-06-2017 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9366804)
Not in the slightest. She called this election in an attempt to wipe out all opposition, effectively set up a one-party state, and then enact the cruelest Conservative manifesto for a generation.

Her hubris in thinking she could avoid the electorate at all costs was astounding, refusing to take part in debates, kicking workers out of factories to talk to a handful of her cronies, pretending she was going to go out and 'talk to the voters' when she did anything but (and the time she did it was a disaster). She had the gall to stand on the steps of number ten the morning after without acknowledging the disastrous night they'd had, or apologise to any of her colleagues who lost their seats, instead continuing to pretend all is fine and dandy. And then she refuses to meet the victims of Grenfell when even the Queen can.

She is a despicable ****, and deserves all the humiliation and abuse she gets.

That is really grim. I get you don't like her or her policies - but that is very vitriolic.

You don't know what she said to to her colleagues as are not privy to everything she does. She isn't an open book - she doesn't have that kind of nature - but to say she deserves all the humiliation and abuse she gets because she doesn't present her every thought and every feeling on camera is OTT and lacks understanding of different personality types. Emotional hysteria in my opinion.

Crimson Dynamo 17-06-2017 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9366914)
That is really grim. I get you don't like her or her policies - but that is very vitriolic.

You don't know what she said to to her colleagues as are not privy to everything she does. She isn't an open book - she doesn't have that kind of nature - but to say she deserves all the humiliation and abuse she gets because she doesn't present her every thought and every feeling on camera is OTT and lacks understanding of different personality types. Emotional hysteria in my opinion.

:clap2:

jet 17-06-2017 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9366914)
That is really grim. I get you don't like her or her policies - but that is very vitriolic.

You don't know what she said to to her colleagues as are not privy to everything she does. She isn't an open book - she doesn't have that kind of nature - but to say she deserves all the humiliation and abuse she gets because she doesn't present her every thought and every feeling on camera is OTT and lacks understanding of different personality types. Emotional hysteria in my opinion.

:clap1:

Tom4784 17-06-2017 02:02 PM

I feel sorry for the victims, I don't give a **** about her.

As for her as PM in general? I don't feel sorry for her at all. She's a woeful PM that, if she was in anyway decent, would know to simply stand down and let someone better suited to the position to take over. It's her choice to be PM and flack comes with the job.

Jack_ 17-06-2017 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9366914)
That is really grim. I get you don't like her or her policies - but that is very vitriolic.

You don't know what she said to to her colleagues as are not privy to everything she does. She isn't an open book - she doesn't have that kind of nature - but to say she deserves all the humiliation and abuse she gets because she doesn't present her every thought and every feeling on camera is OTT and lacks understanding of different personality types. Emotional hysteria in my opinion.

She and her policies are grim.

I find it deplorable that she called this vanity election for no other reason than to crush all opposition in this country. That is the reason it was called, nobody in the EU gave a **** about the size of her parliamentary majority. She did so with a 20 point poll lead and unusually high favourability ratings, thinking she and her party were untouchable - that they could do, say, or avoid anything they like and still be gifted a carte blanche mandate to implement a manifesto that took the piss even out of their core support base. She wanted to be vindicated in dismantling our public services, continuing to sell our NHS off to the highest bidder, making further ideological cuts to the poorest and most vulnerable in our society so that her filthy rich cronies could benefit, ran a negative, vitriolic campaign that concentrated less on what they were offering (which was very little) and more on lying about what the opposition were. The personal attacks, the smears, the 'naked and alone' (which no man would have ever gotten away with saying), the audacity of not costing your policies and then criticising the oppositions for 'not adding up', the avoidance of scrutiny, a campaign led by two bullies (not my words, but those of Tory ministers), the gall of her using Islamic fundamentalism to try and drum up support for revoking hard fought for rights, her continued avoidance of the electorate, the list goes on. This is all, by the way, after she used her inaugural speech last July to attempt to appear like a centrist, moderate Conservative, stressing how she wanted to support the 'just about managing'. The last seven weeks have proven that to be a lie, and exposed her for the power thirsty charlatan that she is. I cannot abide the woman because of what she wanted to do to this country, and I'm expected to express sympathy for someone who cares very little about me or 95% of the population? Not a chance. I didn't like Cameron or his policies, but they were nowhere near as disgusting as she was attempting to get away with, and at the very least at least he was statesmanlike. She is a laughing stock, and rightly so. It couldn't have happened to a more contemptible person. Of course I'm emotionally hysterical, the woman and the current state of her party actually makes my blood boil. Not just figuratively, but literally.

And sorry, but with all due respect, I'm not going to be lectured on morality from someone who thinks these kind of policies are supportable.

Kizzy 17-06-2017 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9366914)
That is really grim. I get you don't like her or her policies - but that is very vitriolic.

You don't know what she said to to her colleagues as are not privy to everything she does. She isn't an open book - she doesn't have that kind of nature - but to say she deserves all the humiliation and abuse she gets because she doesn't present her every thought and every feeling on camera is OTT and lacks understanding of different personality types. Emotional hysteria in my opinion.

It's not even an nth of what has been directed at other MPs of late ... you can't laugh along with one being abused while condemning the abuse of another unless you really are a dice faced hypocrite.

Jack_ 17-06-2017 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9366961)
It's not even an nth of what has been directed at other MPs of late ... you can't laugh along with one being abused while condemning the abuse of another unless you really are a dice faced hypocrite.

No but that's just it Kizzy isn't it - Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, their supporters and anyone on the left have spent the last 18 months being mocked, berated and vilified. That is perfectly acceptable, but no one better dare criticise our Conservative Prime Minister, for that would be immoral, since our Dear Leader must be worshipped at all costs - after all, it's a dictatorship she was seeking.

It's pathetic and it's tiresome.

joeysteele 17-06-2017 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9366957)
She and her policies are grim.

I find it deplorable that she called this vanity election for no other reason than to crush all opposition in this country. That is the reason it was called, nobody in the EU gave a **** about the size of her parliamentary majority. She did so with a 20 point poll lead and unusually high favourability ratings, thinking she and her party were untouchable - that they could do, say, or avoid anything they like and still be gifted a carte blanche mandate to implement a manifesto that took the piss even out of their core support base. She wanted to be vindicated in dismantling our public services, continuing to sell our NHS off to the highest bidder, making further ideological cuts to the poorest and most vulnerable in our society so that her filthy rich cronies could benefit, ran a negative, vitriolic campaign that concentrated less on what they were offering (which was very little) and more on lying about what the opposition were. The personal attacks, the smears, the 'naked and alone' (which no man would have ever gotten away with saying), the audacity of not costing your policies and then criticising the oppositions for 'not adding up', the avoidance of scrutiny, a campaign led by two bullies (not my words, but those of Tory ministers), the gall of her using Islamic fundamentalism to try and drum up support for revoking hard fought for rights, her continued avoidance of the electorate, the list goes on. This is all, by the way, after she used her inaugural speech last July to attempt to appear like a centrist, moderate Conservative, stressing how she wanted to support the 'just about managing'. The last seven weeks have proven that to be a lie, and exposed her for the power thirsty charlatan that she is. I cannot abide the woman because of what she wanted to do to this country, and I'm expected to express sympathy for someone who cares very little about me or 95% of the population? Not a chance. I didn't like Cameron or his policies, but they were nowhere near as disgusting as she was attempting to get away with, and at the very least at least he was statesmanlike. She is a laughing stock, and rightly so. It couldn't have happened to a more contemptible person. Of course I'm emotionally hysterical, the woman and the current state of her party actually makes my blood boil. Not just figuratively, but literally.

And sorry, but with all due respect, I'm not going to be lectured on morality from someone who thinks these kind of policies are supportable.



Absolute brilliance.
All factual and really well said Jack_

Crimson Dynamo 17-06-2017 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9366966)
No but that's just it Kizzy isn't it - Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, their supporters and anyone on the left have spent the last 18 months being mocked, berated and vilified. That is perfectly acceptable, but no one better dare criticise our Conservative Prime Minister, for that would be immoral, since our Dear Leader must be worshipped at all costs - after all, it's a dictatorship she was seeking.

It's pathetic and it's tiresome.

wait "anyone on the left" have been "mocked, berated and vilified" for the past 18 months?

anyone?

like say Jon Snow, Alex Ferguson, Sir Billy Connelly, the guy from Springwatch, Hillary Benn, the 2 gay hairdressers from Gogglebox, Billy Bragg?

wow, who knew

GiRTh 17-06-2017 02:41 PM

:clap1:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9366957)
She and her policies are grim.

I find it deplorable that she called this vanity election for no other reason than to crush all opposition in this country. That is the reason it was called, nobody in the EU gave a **** about the size of her parliamentary majority. She did so with a 20 point poll lead and unusually high favourability ratings, thinking she and her party were untouchable - that they could do, say, or avoid anything they like and still be gifted a carte blanche mandate to implement a manifesto that took the piss even out of their core support base. She wanted to be vindicated in dismantling our public services, continuing to sell our NHS off to the highest bidder, making further ideological cuts to the poorest and most vulnerable in our society so that her filthy rich cronies could benefit, ran a negative, vitriolic campaign that concentrated less on what they were offering (which was very little) and more on lying about what the opposition were. The personal attacks, the smears, the 'naked and alone' (which no man would have ever gotten away with saying), the audacity of not costing your policies and then criticising the oppositions for 'not adding up', the avoidance of scrutiny, a campaign led by two bullies (not my words, but those of Tory ministers), the gall of her using Islamic fundamentalism to try and drum up support for revoking hard fought for rights, her continued avoidance of the electorate, the list goes on. This is all, by the way, after she used her inaugural speech last July to attempt to appear like a centrist, moderate Conservative, stressing how she wanted to support the 'just about managing'. The last seven weeks have proven that to be a lie, and exposed her for the power thirsty charlatan that she is. I cannot abide the woman because of what she wanted to do to this country, and I'm expected to express sympathy for someone who cares very little about me or 95% of the population? Not a chance. I didn't like Cameron or his policies, but they were nowhere near as disgusting as she was attempting to get away with, and at the very least at least he was statesmanlike. She is a laughing stock, and rightly so. It couldn't have happened to a more contemptible person. Of course I'm emotionally hysterical, the woman and the current state of her party actually makes my blood boil. Not just figuratively, but literally.

And sorry, but with all due respect, I'm not going to be lectured on morality from someone who thinks these kind of policies are supportable.


Braden 17-06-2017 02:50 PM

Only because I'm not a 'like to see my enemy while their down' kind of person (of which, I am not suggesting anyone on here is). I absolutely get why people hate her, she's displayed abominable tactics and behaviour, before, after and during the election. The fact that she initially ignored survivors and residents after the Grenfell fire is truely disgusting.

Brillopad 17-06-2017 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9366966)
No but that's just it Kizzy isn't it - Labour, Jeremy Corbyn, their supporters and anyone on the left have spent the last 18 months being mocked, berated and vilified. That is perfectly acceptable, but no one better dare criticise our Conservative Prime Minister, for that would be immoral, since our Dear Leader must be worshipped at all costs - after all, it's a dictatorship she was seeking.

It's pathetic and it's tiresome.

And people were defending Corbyn and his faults just as now people are defending May and her faults. Different perspectives.

Crimson Dynamo 17-06-2017 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Braden (Post 9367017)
Only because I'm not a 'like to see my enemy while their down' kind of person (of which, I am not suggesting anyone on here is). I absolutely get why people hate her, she's displayed abominable tactics and behaviour, before, after and during the election. The fact that she initially ignored survivors and residents after the Grenfell fire is truely disgusting.

I am pretty sure she wanted to but was advised against it by her security and probably it was a good idea

jet 17-06-2017 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9366957)
She and her policies are grim.

I find it deplorable that she called this vanity election for no other reason than to crush all opposition in this country. That is the reason it was called, nobody in the EU gave a **** about the size of her parliamentary majority. She did so with a 20 point poll lead and unusually high favourability ratings, thinking she and her party were untouchable - that they could do, say, or avoid anything they like and still be gifted a carte blanche mandate to implement a manifesto that took the piss even out of their core support base. She wanted to be vindicated in dismantling our public services, continuing to sell our NHS off to the highest bidder, making further ideological cuts to the poorest and most vulnerable in our society so that her filthy rich cronies could benefit, ran a negative, vitriolic campaign that concentrated less on what they were offering (which was very little) and more on lying about what the opposition were. The personal attacks, the smears, the 'naked and alone' (which no man would have ever gotten away with saying), the audacity of not costing your policies and then criticising the oppositions for 'not adding up', the avoidance of scrutiny, a campaign led by two bullies (not my words, but those of Tory ministers), the gall of her using Islamic fundamentalism to try and drum up support for revoking hard fought for rights, her continued avoidance of the electorate, the list goes on. This is all, by the way, after she used her inaugural speech last July to attempt to appear like a centrist, moderate Conservative, stressing how she wanted to support the 'just about managing'. The last seven weeks have proven that to be a lie, and exposed her for the power thirsty charlatan that she is. I cannot abide the woman because of what she wanted to do to this country, and I'm expected to express sympathy for someone who cares very little about me or 95% of the population? Not a chance. I didn't like Cameron or his policies, but they were nowhere near as disgusting as she was attempting to get away with, and at the very least at least he was statesmanlike. She is a laughing stock, and rightly so. It couldn't have happened to a more contemptible person. Of course I'm emotionally hysterical, the woman and the current state of her party actually makes my blood boil. Not just figuratively, but literally.

And sorry, but with all due respect, I'm not going to be lectured on morality from someone who thinks these kind of policies are supportable.

On the other hand, Corbyn is wonderful alternative, eh?
An interesting read from 2016 -

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...jeremy-corbyn/

Quote:

What follows is an appeal to Jeremy Corbyn supporters to think again. It’s from Chris, a Labour party member, who does not want to give his full name for fear of abuse. He has compiled a vast, but by no means exhaustive list of the moral and political failings of the Labour leader. He told me:
I’ve noticed that a few of my very clever, thoughtful, moderately left-wing friends were pro-Corbyn, which amazed me. What I discovered was that they knew almost no facts about him or his fellow travellers. I then noticed that any given critical article about Corbyn only listed one or two facts about him. Normal, good people, who aren’t political anoraks like me, don’t have time to read hundreds of articles on politics – they read a few articles and base the rest of their opinions on gut feeling and general trend of the headlines/social media. I decided to collate in one place the most striking, verifiable facts about Corbyn and the movement he represents.
They are well worth reading.

I write this as a passionate leftist and liberal. Below is a list of facts about Jeremy Corbyn which have not previously been collated in one place. The reader can make up their own mind, based on these facts. This list has been broken up into three sections: ‘Ethics’, ‘Leadership & Electability’, and ‘Social Media & Activists’.

Part One: Ethics
1. Against peace in Ireland

During the 1980s and 1990s, Jeremy Corbyn supported the IRA and opposed the Northern Ireland peace process:
By voting against the peace process and the Anglo-Irish Agreement in Parliament, as he believed republican nationalists shouldn’t have to compromise (the evidence is here and here).
By attending and speaking at annual pro-IRA commemorations for terrorists between 1986 and 1992. The programme for one such event reads: ‘In this, the conclusive phase in the war to rid Ireland of the scourge of British imperialism…force of arms is the only method capable of bringing this about’.

By aligning with terrorists. Corbyn was general secretary of the editorial board of the hard-left journal Labour Briefing which supported IRA violence and explicitly backed the Brighton Hotel Bombing, which killed 5 people and maimed 31 others. In its December 1984 leader, the editorial board ‘disassociated itself’ from an article criticising the Brighton bombing, saying the criticism was a ‘serious political misjudgement’. The board said it ‘reaffirmed its support for, and solidarity with, the Irish republican movement’, and added that ‘the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it’. Alongside its editorial, the board reprinted a speech by Gerry Adams describing the bombing as a ‘blow for democracy’. The same edition carried a reader’s letter praising the ‘audacity’ of the IRA attack and stating: ‘What do you call four dead Tories? A start.’ They had previously printed the following:
We refuse to parrot the ritual condemnation of ‘violence’ because we insist on placing responsibility where it lies…. Let our Iron Lady know this: those who live by the sword shall die by it. If she wants violence, then violence she will certainly get.

If Corbyn wanted to support a unified Ireland through peaceful means he could have supported the SDLP (Northern Ireland’s Social Democratic and Labour Party), which wanted to unify Ireland through a democratic process. Instead, Corbyn attended ‘Troops Out’ rallies where the SDLP were denounced as sell-outs. In 2015, on BBC Radio Ulster, Corbyn refused five times to specifically condemn IRA violence and terrorism. He hung up rather than answer the question. You can listen here.

Corbyn also appointed as his Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell, who opposed the peace process as late as 1998 as it meant compromise. McDonnell also said (before, admittedly, later apologising):
It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA. Because of the bravery of the IRA and people like Bobby Sands we now have a peace process.
It is worth remembering that the IRA bombed, shot, or beat to death 1,696 men, women and children, and of course did not achieve a united Ireland.

2. For the Iranian religious right.
Jeremy Corbyn has been paid £20,000 to appear five times on the totalitarian Iranian regime’s propaganda channel, which was banned in the UK for its role in filming the tortured forced-confession of Iranian liberal journalist Maziar Bahari. By hosting interviews, Corbyn gives the propaganda the ‘credibility’ of a Western politician. It’s fascinating to hear Iranian democracy campaigner Maziar Bahari’s own thoughts on Corbyn, who he describes as ‘a useful idiot’, and goes on to say:
People who present programmes for Press TV and get paid for it should be really ashamed of themselves — especially if they call themselves liberals and people who are interested in human rights.
The Iranian regime executes gay people, democracy activists, Kurds, and orders the rape of female prisoners. But Corbyn is happy to take their money and aid their propaganda campaign. Watch the end of this clip as Jeremy hosts a caller who describes the BBC as having hosted ‘Zionist liars’.

3. For anti-Semites
Jeremy Corbyn has praised and supported Raed Salah, an Islamist who has been accused of spreading the Blood Libel (an old antisemitic conspiracy that Jews use the blood of gentile children to make their bread). Salah has also been charged with inciting racial hatred and violence, and has claimed the Jews were behind 9/11. Corbyn has said: ‘Salah is a very honoured citizen’, ‘Salah’s is a voice that must be heard’, ‘Salah is far from a dangerous man’, and ‘I look forward to giving you tea on the terrace because you deserve it!’.
Corbyn wrote in defence of a vicar who suggested that 9/11 was an inside job by the Jews.
Corbyn invited Hamas and Hizbollah to Parliament and called them his ‘friends’. Bear in mind that Hamas’s Charter is explicitly genocidal – it makes it clear its supporters want to kill Jews and repeats Nazi conspiracy theories. Their founding Charter also rules out any peaceful solution to the Israeli-Palestine problem. It says:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement… There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through jihad.
Corbyn doesn’t invite extremist Zionists to parliament, only extremist anti-Semites.
Corbyn was also a long-time backer of an anti-Israel group founded by Paul Eisen, attending its 2013 event even after Eisen had outed himself as a Holocaust denier years earlier.

4. For Putin
As his right-hand man, Corbyn appointed Seumas Milne, who has argued we should focus more on the positives of Stalin’s communist dictatorship. Milne was also part of the pro-Stalin and pro-Soviet fellow travellers of Fergus Nicholson’s wing of the British Communist Party (he was not an official member), and worked at the pro-Soviet paper Straight Left. Milne has also blamed Russia’s recent invasion of the Ukraine on the West, and has hosted a propaganda media conference for Vladimir Putin.

5. Against self-determination
Corbyn suggested that the Falkland Islands should be shared with Argentina, ignoring a referendum in which 99.8 per cent of the islanders voted to remain British.

Part Two: Electability and Leadership
Jeremy Corbyn has repeatedly demonstrated he isn’t a viable leader. Here’s how:
Corbyn has shown he has little idea about how to handle the media. Even left-wing newspapers such as The Guardian and The Independent have complained that the Corbyn team, through incompetency, release their press statements too late to give them full coverage the next day. One example was the announcement of an internal inquiry into anti-Semitism in the Labour party, wider coverage of which would have taken pressure off Corbyn and the Labour party. Instead, the announcement was made late on a Friday night – meaning the saga dragged on.
On national television, Jeremy Corbyn refused to back a shoot-to-kill policy if a Paris-style machine gun attack happened in London. He then changed his mind and backtracked a day later.
Corbyn’s botched attempt at a publicity stunt on a ‘ram-packed’ train was questioned by Virgin who released CCTV images showing the Labour leader appearing to walk past empty seats before he had filmed a video showing him sitting on the floor of a train carriage. Another image released by Virgin also showed Corbyn having later found a seat.
The following advisors and colleagues have resigned under Corbyn or disowned him in the last ten months, citing incompetence and his unelectability:
Neale Coleman, the former aide to Ken Livingstone, resigned following the unexpected announcement of policies he had not be consulted on.
Richard Murphy, the left wing tax specialist who was initially supportive of Corbyn, and whose policies the Labour leader took up, has now disowned him due to his failure to create a detailed plan. He said he had lost faith in Corbyn’s vision.
David Blanchflower resigned, citing his lack of ability and electability. And Simon Wren-Lewis criticised the Labour leadership for not campaigning ‘more strongly‘ in the EU referendum.
World famous left-wing economist Thomas Picketty has also resigned as Corbyn’s economic advisor, criticising his ‘weak’ EU campaign.
The Labour MP Thangam Debonaire disowned Corbyn after saying the Labour leader hired and fired her while she was receiving cancer treatment – all without a single word. Her full, shocking account can be read here.
The Labour MP Lilian Greenwood, who never publicly criticised Corbyn, and who voted with him on Syria, resigned as the Shadow Transport shadow, claiming Corbyn has repeatedly undermined her. Oh, and there’s also….
The 172 Labour MPs, whose views range from centrist to centre-left to fully left-wing, who voted that they had no confidence in Corbyn’s leadership.
But these aren’t the only indications Corbyn isn’t up to the job:
Corbyn has the lowest public approval rating for an opposition leader after ten months since records began. An Ipsos Mori poll said Corbyn’s rating was -41, compared to -32 for Michael Foot at the same time during his doomed leadership.
Every large-scale study into why Labour lost the 2015 general election came to the same conclusion: Labour was not trusted on the economy. Corbyn’s response? To promise £500billion in spending but refuse to say where the money will come from.
Jeremy Corbyn also had a disastrous referendum campaign. Having been pro-Brexit for decades – voting against Common market membership in 1975, and against the Maastricht Treaty and the Lisbon Treaty as an MP – his ‘pro-Remain’ campaign was, at best, half-hearted. What’s more:
Corbyn missed the first day of the Labour ‘Remain‘ campaign so he could attend an anti-nuclear weapons rally instead.
Leaked emails show that during the EU referendum campaign, Labour party ‘Remain’ campaigners came to the conclusion that the Corbyn Team were deliberately sabotaging their efforts.
A full 45 per cent of the millions of Labour voters weren’t aware that Labour was for ‘Remain’.
Corbyn’s first actions after the referendum was to, unwisely, call for the immediate invoking of Article 50.

Part Three: Social Media & Activists
It cannot be emphasised enough that abusive Corbyn supporters only represent a vocal minority. However it is also clear that Labour wasn’t experiencing the problems of abuse and intimidation prior to the birth of this current movement. In the process of fact checking, it became apparent that some incidents of abuse may have been exaggerated in order to criticise the pro-Corbyn movement. However, it’s simply not possible to claim that the hundreds-upon-hundreds of separately documented incidents, abusive voicemails and phone calls, physical confrontations, police callouts and death threats are all exaggerations. Here are a list of just some of them:
Over 40 female MPs have written to Jeremy Corbyn pleading with him to try to curtail the abuse they receive from his supporters. It’s not clear what Jeremy Corbyn has actually done about this issue.
Across the country, Labour constituency meetings have been temporarily suspended by the NEC because of the levels of abuse and intimidation taking place at some of these gatherings.
Since challenging Corbyn’s leadership, Labour MP Angela Eagle has been called a ‘dyke’ at a constituency meeting, and has been told by police that, for now, she should not hold constituency surgeries because her safety cannot be guaranteed.
BBC journalist Laura Kuenssberg has received abuse from Corbyn supporters, including being called a ‘*****’ and a ‘bitch’.
At the release of the Labour anti-Semitism report, Labour MP Ruth Smeeth was abused by a Corbyn supporter. Meanwhile, Corbyn apparently watched and said nothing.
Of course, there are many other facts to bear in mind when making your choice for Labour leader. It is up to each individual to vote with their conscience, but all of us must strive to vote based on the facts.
Yours sincerely,

CG (name anonymised to avoid harassment and abuse)









How many young voters don't know the half of it about Santa Corbyn.

Kazanne 17-06-2017 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9366914)
That is really grim. I get you don't like her or her policies - but that is very vitriolic.

You don't know what she said to to her colleagues as are not privy to everything she does. She isn't an open book - she doesn't have that kind of nature - but to say she deserves all the humiliation and abuse she gets because she doesn't present her every thought and every feeling on camera is OTT and lacks understanding of different personality types. Emotional hysteria in my opinion.

I so agree with you, and she is supposed to be the one with no empathy:laugh: the irony,


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