Raph is so jealous of Andrew
 

He is so bitter he is going home poor

Jealous of Andrew? As if! :joker:

Raph is so annoying lately, like he's acting like he's above everyone else and that money shaming is really stupid. Not everyone has high earning and comes from a wealthy family so sit tf down you virgin.

I'm pretty sure Raph is already comfortable financially. I don't think he really needs nor wants the money, but when he wins next week he'll get 65k anyway so good for him :flutter:.

I didn't understand that rant at all and I do wonder if he will direct some of his anger at hannah. He was making out as if if Andrew didn't press then noone would have took the money and that, when Raphs mate pressed too...but that seemed conveniently forgotten?!

To be fair Andrew said he wasn't in it for the money. He kicked up such a fuss when Simone said he was in it only for the money.

Disappointed at his doubts being proven true.

- It was more about Andrew screwing over Sam with the second-chance money.

This!

He came across as very bitter and sanctimonious in the diary room imo

Andrew said he wasn't in it for the money, then pressed the button. He didn't owned up to it and that's Raph problem with it.

(he's obviously not poor but)

Yeah it was a strange objection. I'm guessing he's hoping for a couple of things:

- Josie and Simone have gone in there with the immediate trashing of Andrew's CHARACTAH and so Raph assumes he's unpopular on the outside. Go against him = gain public favour.
- Enough people were annoyed about Jason winning (semi true) that they'd go against Andrew too.

But I think - and I've said this to Raph lol - his fanning of Big Brother and all things gameplay is a little bit weak and open to manipulation by emotional influence. It's personally why I've never enjoyed overseas editions of the show (that and I've just never bothered :laugh:) I think he's just taken a strong objection to Jason/Lateysha and run with it. The 'tainted money' stuff is a little bit of a weak excuse.

isn't Raph loaded?

The public didn't vote Andrew as the last remaining second-chance housemate. Therefore the money earned by him evicting Sam is in a way "tainted".

I mean, yeah, it's "tainted", but compared to "prize fund for winning Big Brother" is it really any worse? :laugh:

Yup! I agree. I recon Simone was telling the truth about Andrew saying he needs the money. She had no reason to make that up, she had nothing to gain from it.

The public didnt vote for him to see Josie but he still took it

Simone was right about Andrew. There's nothing wrong in taking the money. But after he made such a fuss about not being there for the money he looks like a bit of a hypocrite.:shrug:

He didn't come off well at all in that rant

The money didn't belong to anybody.

I mean, I think Raph's huuuuge blindspot here other than his general sanctimony is that he doesn't realize that "I'm here for the experience" and "I will take nearly 35K especially bc more than half of it is going to go to waste if nobody does" are not conflict view points at all. Taking money isn't a crime and it doesn't disqualify someone from wanting to have the experience of being on BB, especially when you were only on the show in the first place as part of a condition regarding second chance HMs.

None of them like to admit they are there for the money.
The difference between Raph and Andrew is that Andrew cannot win the ultimate game. Sam could have kicked him out on Friday empty handed..but Sam was too thick.
Andrew did the right thing.
If Hannah had won he wouldn't have said that about her...Deborah has said previously she would take the money if she had the chance as she had had the experience but had to think of her family...he never dissed her for it.
He would have gained more respect for being happy for Andrew. He just showed himself as being bitter and jealous. Had Raph been the 2nd chance housemate he would have done exactly the same thing.
Andrew didn't like Simone exposing his private financial position by saying he 'hadn't got a pot to piss in'...
Just enjoy the 'experience' Raph and don't put people down for having different agendas. Most people are there to win the money..nothing wrong with that.

Well good on him the dudes been in there for less than half the series. Raphs a fan and obviously that's gonna piss him off.

So why would he risk Sam taking it and kicking him out on Friday...?
The guy seems to genuinely need the money...15k..33k isn't to be sniffed at.
It could set him up in his own business...deposit for a house..help his family?
Raph should have been pleased for him..Andrew isn't in the game on Raphs terms..Andrew can't win..Andrew cannot walk out the door winner of the show.
Nobody should hold it against Andrew for what he did...he did the right thing.
The guy is walking out with 33k in his pocket...and the 'experience'...good for him.

I actually thought Raph had a point there.Andrew was protesting so much about not being there for money.He could've taken the £18k and let Sam have a chance at the £15k if that was the case.Also Andrew didn't seem to give **** that he just evicted Sam.He didn't even go and speak to him.

How can he be jeaous? He doesn't need the money. :laugh:

Just because he doesn't NEED it doesn't mean he doesn't want to win it.
Raph just likes to put people down for wanting the money like its a 'dirty' thing. No one is going to say they want the money and looking desperate.
Raph needs to pull back and realise that some people DO need the money. Not everyone can comfortably say they are JUST in there for the experience and the money is irrelevant.
Raph seems to think he is and looks a better person for being in there for other reasons than money...he needs to appreciate that not everyone is as financially secure like he is...and able to give up 10 weeks of earning potential just for 'the experience'.
Raph needs to be a little bit more humble and understand what that money means to them...instead of calling it dirty money. He shouldn't be so judgmental...but he does that a lot.

He had Simone one minute telling him Andrew was a money-grabber, but put that to one side. Then Andrew takes all the money and proves Simone right. You can't blame Raph for being annoyed.

In Raph's head though I think he was more upset about Andrew evicting Sam (as the other second-chance housemate) because it defeated the purpose of BB (public decides).

Andrew being shown saying he does not care about the money. even cried and wanted to quit because Simone said it, and he even said it at the start of the episode.... Andrew pressed the button and wins the money....... hmmmm let me check my dictionary, I thought I saw Andrews picture next to the word HYPOCRITE

No, not jealous, he's got no reason to be.
Andrew had just before we were shown the end of this twist that he wasn't interested in money.

However it's a game in there,Andrew went for it and got it.
I think it unfortunate someone can come in so late in a series and have any chance to walk away with near a third of the prize fund.

That's BB however.

Definitely though,Raph is not I would say,jealous of Andrew at all, disappointed yes and then he has the distorted reporting of Josie and Chanelle's boyfriend ringing in his ears about Andrew.

Disappointed in Andrew yes, jealous not a chance.

They're still friends. So no jealousy whatsoever.

what if Raph WON?

He would have more Cash that the Scottish lad

In the diary room, an element of jealousy came through. Raph seems to have a problem with people who are in there for the money even if they desperately need the money for themselves to live like Andrew or for their family like Deborah. And what he said about Andrew taking the weak option, when that is so far from te truth because he's leaving with 33k

I just wish BB would stop messing around with the prize money. The full amount of money should go to the winner, end of story imo.

It's not over yet.

It's VTW now for him, which will be Raph's biggest strength at this stage.

Raph has been nothing but supportive to Deborah, wtf?

Tbf that would've happened if Andrew had've picked anyone that could win the show though, in fact even moreso in that case.

I do think that Andrew showed himself up to be a hypocrite though when he is saying that he doesn't care about the money and then uses a weak excuse for pushing the button that "Hannah would evict me" when I actually think that she could've gone for Charlotte or Tom.

One night when Joe asked Deborah if she would take the money (however much they offered) and she said she would cos she'd use it to help raise her child. Then Raph immediately shouted at him, 'but she's not here for the money' which she clearly is. And there's nothing wrong with that unless you're Raph, who has a massive problem with people who are in there for the money

I don't think Raph is jealous of Andrew at all. I'm betting he simply doesn't approve of Andrew evicting Sam and taking that money too

Yes when Andrew was getting his back sack and crack waxed everyone was joining in laughing - and he sort of went off in a huff - jealous Im sure. He couldnt do something that undignified as he cares WAAAY too much what his University buddies think first. He is not a nice person at all - its all been an act. Being in pyschology - with others on his course and the way he rolls his smokes - I would say he is most interested in winning than anyone. None of his friendships are genuine either.

:clap1: Good points. If Simone was being truthful about Andrew not having a 'pot to piss in' he would have been foolish not to take the money when the opportunity arose. In fact, I'd prefer the money to go to someone without a 'pot' than someone who is financially sound.

To me, the comment about the money being tainted was unfair and a bit extreme. You're right - Raph would have gained more respect had he responded more magnanimously.