Is this Britains future.
 

Looking at the rest of Europe it suggests it is. What a great place to live. :shrug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OY_KUNqQ4

Link is ****ed so dunno.

Hard Working TS
Sweden is in a mess , now

Yep, don't know what went wrong.

Not as much of a mess as Brillo's link :nono:

It opened for me fine, that's scary ****

Brillo's link is in working order. :roll eyes:

The video is indefensible "hence it's not working" is a handy dodge

Indeed.

It was not working. It is now because Brillo has edited the post to fix it. The first time I came into the thread there was literally nothing to see, so it wasn't any sort of dodge, handy or otherwise li'l missy.

I've watched the video and I do understand why people are scared by it. To be honest my overall thinking lately is that there's an uncomfortable truth we're all ignoring and it always strikes me when I see these videos where crowds of people are swarming like ants;

The world is ****ed for the pure and simple reason that it is grossly overpopulated full stop, that problem gets worse by the second, and there's nothing we can do about it.

I swear the scariest link on the Internet is not an article or a video. It's just this:

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

It tells its own story and its all you need to know. IMO the world can comfortably support less than half of that number. And look at it. It just keeps on growing. Horrifying. We are such a plague...

Scarey stuff brillo,it will happen eventually,lets see how the PC brigade explain things then.

I think Europe is getting to be a very scary place, Something like 9,000 migrants arrived from Africa near Venice last week, the numbers are staggering.

Seeing that certainly makes you realise how quickly the population is growing and is very worrying.

But uncomfortable truth or not this excessive population growth is a far bigger problem within certain cultures. How do we address that if we are not allowed to mention it without fear of being labelled?

I hope the brave guy on the mobility scooter was ok. They turned their attentions to him apparently but that is when the filming stopped. No boundaries.

There are no go areas here where gang violence is rife already though, this would be the scene if you walked in with a film crew in many areas of London for instance, obviously it desperately needs addressing.

It does if we want to be able to live in a safe country and even more importantly want our children to grow up in a safe country. This country is becoming more violent and dangerous by the day.

What would be a solution?

I think there are a combination of reasons including migration, government policies and the creation of an environment where certain things cannot be discussed and therefore don't get addressed as they should - just escalating the problems.

What would you suggest?

A large part of the issue with the violence though is gangs / gang culture in London. E.g. The majority of these "acid attacks" are gang related. And yes, if we're being honest, there are many young 2nd / 3rd generation immigrants who end up in gangs, but this tends to be down to poverty and social stagnation, which exists across the board in our cities. Even if you completely halted all immigration, 100% of it, our cities would still have problems with gangs... The problem is a social and economic one that goes far beyond immigration.

But don't you think many immigrants are their own worst enemy in this respect. If they make little or no attempts to assimilate i.e. learning to speak English or improving their language skills they will have problems. Learning to speak the lingo is a fundamental skill required to learn most other things.

I really don't see the problems - learning basic English and maths skills are free to non-English speakers, they have plenty of time to work on it and have others they can go to these classes with. We bend over backwards to help with these things. They need to adopt the attitude most of us do that, other than benefits, nothing is handed on a plate and they have to work for it.

It really is difficult to sympathise with people who have that mentality. So what do they do - as you say they often resort to gangs and violence and criminal activity, probably not that far removed from where they 'escaped' from.

Is it really simply a case of you can take the man out of the third world but you can't take the third world out of the man.

But plenty of the people in these gangs aren't immigrants. Large numbers are, simply because large numbers of people in the areas of cities prone to gang culture are, but it's certainly not confined to immigrant populations. And in fact, even when it is immigrant families, it tends to be 2nd/3rd generation youths born and raised in Britain, schooled in England, and who speak English as their FIRST language, who end up in these gangs. I'd say the gangs are more often than not "culturally English", in fact. So your final statement doesn't really explain why it happens.

I disagree that gangs are culturally English. I feel the gang mentality is something that has been brought here from third world countries. Gangs are rife in countries such as Africa and South America as is violence, rape and criminal activity - far worse than here.

'They aren't culturally english! They aren't white!'

TS has hit the nail on the head, gang culture is a social and economic issue rather than a race one.

Where exactly is the social and economic issue. All those living here have access to free education, free health care and free benefits (where needed) - everyone is equal in that respect.

Those from immigrant families have much more opportunities (especially 2nd/3rd generations) than they would likely have had if born into the countries their parents/grandparents came from. Many do do well. For those that don't there has to be an element of self-responsibility. You can't just keep blaming everything on us - it's a cop-out.

If you want to keep harping on about skin colour - I would like to know how many white gangs there are in comparison to non-white gangs. I think it is obvious there are a lot less white gangs - so how does that make gangs culturally English. That makes no sense.

The majority of gangs are mixed-race (as in, they have white, black, Asian, middle eastern, the works).

You’ve clearly never lived in London. White gangs around London tend to be well organized units that earn themselves a lot of money. In Central and East London the white gangs (gangsters) are notorious. These aren’t the teenagers that get out of hand on a Saturday night, they are organized crime syndicates that provide drugs, finances and sort out and rid people of stolen goods and credit card fraud and its been going on for decades.

Remember the Cray twins? Well they were small fry compared to Eddie Richardsons mob. Gangland rivalry amongst London whites has been going on since before our grannies were born and its still going on today with people like Curtis ‘cocky’ Warren who’s run multi £million cannabis smuggling operations. What about the feared Adams family (Terry the Godfather Adams) or Scull cracker Wheatley who earned his nick from pistol whipping his victims round the head. Dave Courtney’s gang is still going strong. I’ve met Courtney on the club scene in London. He comes in flanked by bodyguards built like brick ****houses.

White gangs in London are organized crime gangsters and a lot more lethal than your average teenage gang. Though they do pull in the small fry gangs to do their dirty work.

And then of course we have the massive football fan gangs who are white.

Edited to add the notorious white gypsy gangs.

So you have mentioned some apparently well known white gangs spread across how many years/decades I don't know. But how proportionate are they to black/Asian gangs, especially today. Most violent crime including the use of guns and knives and murder that we see on the news seem to involve black gang members and there has been a definite rise in sex related crimes committed by Asian men. We hear more and more about these kind of crimes daily and they are worrying times for all. We have to address this.

If we make a comparison with blacks, Asians, mixed race gangs and white gangs, the white gangs would come out on top. The white gangs that really make up the numbers are the football hooligan firms. They are massive in comparison to all other gangs in the UK

Cherie I know you are Irish...there was a chap on the the Joe Duffy show the other day that was walking through Freedom park in Kilkenny...he and his son were savageley beaten by Irish gangs..The numbers of those who want to leave their own countries to get to where we are is staggering...But ...nobody can deny that..Isn't that human nature to leave and hope for a better life for you and your kids.....


I left South Africa as a Boer ...because of what was happening to us whites..
I left with a great education ...thanks to Apartheied

Have you seen how Italy are struggling. One MP is calling for a referendum. They can't cope. It is all very well people wanting to better their lives but the lives of those in the countries they crash-land in matter too.

True but Italy's fragile economy isn't suffering because of migration! Immigration is the last of its worries.

Glad you mentioned Italy brillo..Just back from a two week stay there...When is the last time you were there.

There is no denying they as a well known country as migrants are having a problem with migrants..But They are Intelligent enough not to blame all crime on foreigners...

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English is not my first launage....You said it much better than me

And neither did I. But there are significant issues.

Only if you delude yourself into thinking that. There's more people reliant on food banks than ever before, the gap between rich and poor has never been bigger and the economy is in a state where the poor are squeezed for every penny they have while the government are happy enough to keep the loopholes that allow the rich to dodge taxes because the Tories don't want to piss on their own shoes.

If you think everything is fine and dandy with the economy and the social issues it creates then you are willfully ignorant and your second paragraph only proves it to be true. Escaping one's circumstances is not easy for most people and the circumstances that they are born into certainly isn't their fault. The fact that you have a 'them and us' attitude says it all really, you wouldn't be saying this about white British people in the same circumstances.

It's hysterical and quite typical of you to think that there aren't that many white gang members. There are plenty of white gangs, as DR said, hooliganism is still massive and most hooligan gangs are mostly white. From personal experience, the only gang members I've ever known have been white, same with drug dealers. Gang culture isn't about race, it's about social and economic issues. Gangs suddenly didn't spring up overnight because of immigration. You are just looking for reasons to justify your racism.

I'm clearly not talking about social and economic issues per se but what particular social economic issues 2nd/3rd generation immigrants have over anyone else in Britain. They have the same access to free education as anyone else and therefore have no reason not to develop skills or attain a decent level of education to help improve their chance of getting a job/having a career to help improve their economic position, same as every other working-class child in Britain. More recent migrants get help with free language classes, access to benefits, social housing, healthcare, etc. Britain bends over backwards to help them to help themselves. If they, 2nd/3rd generation immigrants as well as more recent migrants, choose not to make the most of that free education in order to help themselves, the same as the rest of us, then they are responsible for their own situation. What part of that was not clear?

They are still a lot better off here economically than they would have been in the countries they or their parents originally came from, for all the above reasons, but, despite that, many still try to blame Britain for their situation. Britain has given them the same chances as everyone else. There comes a point when people are responsible for their own success - but instead try to blame the country. It's a cop-out.

Did I say gangs sprang up overnight, no. But we have clearly had a bigger problem with gang culture in recent years and most of what we see on the news is related to non-white groups. The recent increase in sex attacks from Asian gangs is a particular worry and demonstrates an unacceptable attitude towards women - there is no denying this has been a big problem all over Europe recently and is directly related to migrants. But of course, due to PC puppets, we can't talk about that so the problem does not get addressed properly. That is racism.

Attempting to give preferential treatment to one group over another by continually making excuses and blaming those that gave them a better chance in the first place also has a part to play in people running out of patience and tolerance.

Yeah i get what you are saying, but you immigrated legally, these people are paying traffickers putting their own and their kids life at risk, more often than not they have to be rescued from over crowded ships, then when they land all they have ahead of them is a detention centre in a country that is stretched trying to cope, I blame the traffickers who are selling an idyll that does not exist, controlled immigration is one thing, what the traffickers are doing is heaping misery on misery

As as aside Ireland, for a country that exported people regularly over the years ican be less than welcoming with people coming in

@ Those from immigrant families have much more opportunities (especially 2nd/3rd generations) than they would likely have had if born into the countries their parents/grandparents came from. Many do do well. For those that don't there has to be an element of self-responsibility. You can't just keep blaming everything on us - it's a cop-out.

If we want to look at why some immigrants blame this country, we need look no further than the Gurkha’s. The 1947 Tripartite Agreement was abused by the Conservative British Governments. Just about every right on that agreement was broken.

When my dad was in the armed forces, we lived in Aldershot for a while. I grew up believing the Gurkha’s were the British Army mercenaries. My dad, up until recently, always believed they got a full army pension after serving their time and that they got the same rates of pay as British soldiers. Unfortunately, the Gurkha’s and senior British Officers were not au fait with this Agreement being so heavily corrupted until fairly recently.

Since the Joanna Lumley campaign Nepalese families moving to the UK has tripled. People in Nepal sold their houses and land to come and live in **** holes like Aldershot only to find that their ex soldier pensions are a mere fraction of what they should be and the cost of living in the UK, when you’re no longer living in an army barracks, is unaffordable for most. Their husbands/fathers/brothers served their time on the front line and even won the Falklands war, were encouraged to sell everything in their homeland and come and live in a land of milk and honey only to discover they’ve been well and truly shafted. Most apparently want to go back to Nepal but they now have nothing to go back to.

I’m sure Lumley had good intensions and she most certainly wasn’t au fait with the scam that had gone on around the government and the Tripartite Agreement. None of this is the Nepalese immigrants fault. All of them have the right to be angry.

That I believe is a different situation entirely. I completely agree they have a right to be angry and have every entitlement to the same pension as British soldiers. They fought for this country and deserve it.

Unfortunately I don't know a lot about it but do remember hearing something about it and felt the same way then as I do know. TBH honest I thought that had been resolved. All brave men and women who fought for this country deserve the same equal pension and recognition for their service to Britain. To discriminate like that is disgusting and unacceptable. I hope someone is fighting their cause.

Cherie we came here legally quite simply because we could....contrary to other opinions we never turned up at Dublin port saying give us a job...Bertie & Co turned up in JBourg during Celtic tiger recruiting us
I get what you are saying about migrants putting their kids lives at risk..I think both you and me Cherie left our home countries to make a better life for our families....but let's face it we weren't being bombed arse over tits