Majority now support a hard Brexit
 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/r...jX4#.txJrdw3Mb

This seemed obvious for a while now despite attempts by some to suggest otherwise. People respecting a public vote despite not entirely agreeing with leaving the EU is admirable and what democracy is all about. :Dance2:

Ah yes, the paragon of journalism, Buzzfeed.

Are you trying to say the study is fake or the results are incorrect? Easy to dismiss something with just uninformed words.

Buzzfeed is as valid as most other journalistic presentations on here. :crazy:

BUZZFEED :joker: **** sake

A groundbreaking project by the London School of Economics and Oxford University surveying more than 3,000 people – which BuzzFeed News has seen exclusively ahead of its official publication

Helps if you read it before falling over yourself to make a smart comment

:rolleyes:

What Type of Brexit Are You? Take The Test!

You Won't Believe What Jeremy Corbyn Said To This Remainer!

id stop now until you read it m8te

:smug:

"One poll showed 88% of the public supporting free trade with the EU post-Brexit, while 69% wanted customs checks at the border – a directly contradictory position, meaning at least 57% of respondents had said they supported both open and closed borders."

And people try to argue that the majority of voters know what they're voting for? :idc:

Absolute lies and cesspit 'journalism' again. :bored:

More people in the UK would choose no Brexit than any Brexit at the moment.

And what study is that little diamond of information from. The survey of JTM45 no less. Yep!!

another one who did not read it

do you even read what you post?

same as every referendum and every general election then...

What study is that based on? Is it form such amazing places as Buzzfeed and LSE?

Yes, but I've seen members on here take a LOT of flak in the past for "daring" to suggest that the majority of voters go with the tides and don't really have much political knowledge at all... If any...

"Do you want hard Brexit?"

"Oh yes of course! But alongside that, I think we should keep free trade."

There is no such thing as a hard soft brexit. There is leaving the EU or the Eu lite some try to sell as soft brexit because they want their way.

Re the misquoting jokes and jolly japes above where the single market is confused with a free trade deal, we will leave the single market and everything else when we leave the EU, because we are leaving.

However I don't see how that stops stops us negotiating a free trade deal for after we leave. Canada has one. So it's not impossible.

Feeling the pain for those who got flak for presuming they know why 17 million other people voted and for implying those who had a different view were stupid. Like heartburn, bit of a burp.

It's the OP that's posting links to Buzzfeed 'articles' so why are you trying to pin that on me?

I make and voice my own opinions which are formed by staying aware and finding and reading trustable and reliable information.

Some people here can't even be bothered to type whole words let alone more than a single sentence (and then only just) and just rely on posting links to jibberish 'articles'. They pretend to be aware as long as they don't have to spend a couple of minutes researching something. If they can't click on a link and be spoon-fed information then they'd rather wither away wallowing in their ignorance.:idc:

So you don't have any source for your claim, not even one as comical as Buzzfeed?

A study carried out by the London School of Econimics and Oxford University isn't a credible source according to you.

Well excuse me for giving more credence to them than your opinion which is based on nothing more than personal opinion. If you can prove the study is somehow incorrect or dubious be my guest.

So forming one's own opinions is a no-no these days is it ? It's clickable articles or nothing eh........regardless of the quality ? Always easier to be a critic than to add to something isn't it. I've seen some of the **** you've linked to before and it hasn't been worth clicking on.

Just move on if you're not interested in my educated opinions.

You have provided nothing that suggests an 'educated' opinion - just a lot of sarcastic hot air!

And you do ? :laugh:

I am educated (i know Trump loves the uneducated so i will always make a point that i am not that. His ignorance is repugnant!) and i state my opinion. If you disagree with any of it or can actually correct anything i've said please do so. That's what constructive discussion is all about.

I've seen you regularly post some absolute drivel and called you out on it and i haven't once seen you able to correct my points. You regularly turn up to a gun fight armed with a spoon. :laugh:

Whether or not you're educated is irrelevant. I have a low opinion of Buzzfeed, but they were reporting on a study by Oxford and LSE, they weren't pulling out of the same ass they retrieve most of their drivel from. Stating that More people in the UK would choose no Brexit than any Brexit at the moment is a pretty bold claim, unless you want to admit it's your opinion, based on nothing but what your associates say?

Buzzfeed? Really?

I've already stated that it's my opinion based on many respected sources that i take notice of. If you're really that interested you could find the same information instead of demanding spoon-fed clickable links.

As i've already said, i absolutely don't care if you agree with me or not. I was merely voicing my educated opinion. Nowhere did i say ''and demand you agree with it or else''.:laugh:

Most voters are ignorant ****s that don't know their arse from their elbow and voted on nothing more than empty promises, headlines and catchphrases. Same with the latest election, anyone that bothered to look into the Tories' manifesto for a minute or two could see that they are full of **** and that Theresa May is a weak leader that will fold to everything because she only stands for anything on a superficial level.

Ignorance will always prevail, most people that voted in the referendum would have voted based on what their family and friends were voting or whether or not they wanted to 'kick all the immigrants out'.

Leaver regret became a thing after the referendum results came out and the lies that the Leaver side spouted were instantly debunked. It wouldn't surprise me to see the sheep still living with their heads in the sand but you won't get many of the 49% that voted Remain switching sides when literally nothing good has come from it thus far.

Very little point in voting tbh, ignorance always wins. Cue the faux indignation because I dared to have an opinion.

What's Trump got to do with it. The study was about Britain leaving the EU. I have no interest in Trump. I have no interest in your points either as they are usually based on a personal attack rather than you calling me out on anything.

Actually I prefer a 'spoon' to an unloaded gun full of hot air but no bite.

I could find information, but a lot of it could easily be a pile of rubbish. I could easily find some sources to show Obama is the Anti-Christ or some rubbish, wouldn't make it valid. So what are your "respectable" sources?

Well said Dezzy.

The leavers just stick their fingers in their ears whenever the undeniability of the fact that people voted for lies and on false facts rears its head.

That's where you can use your powers of deduction to evaluate the info. As i've repeatedly said, i DO NOT CARE about convincing you to share my views and opinions. They are mine. I'm not going to spoon-feed you.

What would you call more "undeniable" : a study by Oxford and LSE, or some rando on a forum saying "there ARE sources out there, I SWEAR!!"

In the context i used the term the fact that Farage admitted less than 24 hours after the vote that the ''£350 million a week will go straight back into the NHS when we leave the EU'' was incorrect and undeniable.

Please don't call me names ''Oliver''.:laugh:

Farage was never in a position to make that promise, he has and had virtually no political power. "Rando" isn't an insult, sorry if you took it that way, it's just short for "random person." And who cares about Farage, what's he got to do with the price of fish?

Keeping in the spirit. Flak, flak, flak, flak.

Oh look I managed a whole sentence without calling you names or questioning your intelligence. You should try it sometime. It's not having an opinion that is the problem.

Hmm? You must be reading something completely different to what I wrote because I haven't called anyone names or questioned their intelligence. Any excuse to have a pop at me under the guise of the moral high ground, I guess.

Unless you're pretending to be offended for the sake of the masses and trying to make out that what I've said is in someway an insult towards members? If so, good luck with the reaching.

It's worrying how some simply cannot see that insulting thousands of voters for having a different opinion to theirs is the real problem here. Some speak of not being allowed an opinion when they repeatedly call thousands of others 'ignorant *****s' for just that - having an opinion. Then having the Gaul to say they haven't called anyone names or questioned their intelligence - definitely not on the same page as the rest of us. Practising what they preach would be a good lesson learned I think. :shrug:

Unlike of course the fact most of those that constantly talk of lies and false facts when it comes to Brexit then bought into Corbyn's lies on clearing all student debt and his empty promises of throwing masses of tax payers money at this that and the other when several experts have stated such claims are unaffordable and this country would end up with a Hugh deficit that would have a negative effect on the economy leading to untold problems. Pot and kettle. :shrug:

Corbyn is just another Labour politician promising the earth to win an election. You would think people would get that by now. You can stick your fingers in your ears once again.

You do realize that spending comes before tax and the only thing tax is used for is paying off interest on government debt? We don't have a special pot for consumer spending or salary contributions!! QE works, providing the money is invested and guarantees a return (in tax). Therefore, investing in education is a very secure spend because the more educated professionals we have, the more they earn and the more they earn, the more they spend. That's a double whammy on tax return.

To suggest we will be paying, through our taxes, to educate students just shows a lack of understanding around how tax and deficits work. If we didn't have a deficit, the money machine would come to a grinding halt.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/exp...debt-manifesto

So you say, but information you have presented before has been questioned.

Like most things the size of the national deficit is relevant. Very high Government debt can slow down the economy and increase taxation to pay for it. According to the latest Article IV report on the UK economy the IMF said that maintaining deficits and debts at high levels would also constrain the space to respond proactively to future large negative growth shocks.

It is clearly not in our interests to have a very high national deficit which is what we would have to finance Corbyns' grand plans. Talk is cheap, action isn't.

Personally I do not support a policy that expects those earning less to pay for a higher level of education that will likely provide much higher earnings for the beneficiaries. In principle it is wrong. If you want to benefit from higher education and the benefits it brings you have to expect to contribute.

Ok but do you understand the reason for the part in bold? Basically the reason for reducing debt when "times are good" is so that you can SPEND SPEND SPEND when things get bad, because investment is the only way to effectively pull out of an economic downturn. When they talk about having room to reapond; this is what they mean. Having room to BORROW and SPEND more when the economy is suffering.

Now... Both Labour and the Tories unfortunately got this arse-backwards in each of their terms. Labour were in power during major boom years when we were thriving, but failed to address debt issues when we were in the position to do so. On the flipside... The Tories CUT spending and tightened the belts at a time when the economy was in trouble... The absolute opposite of the right thing to do. Creative spending on jobs and keeping the country flowing, and keeping money IN the pockets of consumers rather than removing it through austerity, is the way to bring us back to a thriving economy and THEN tackle the debt.

And they're still doing it. Despite what some would have us believe, the economy is far from recovered, let alone thriving, and this Tory obsession with austerity and cuts is only going to slow the economy down further and make things worse. It needs a turbo boost... Not someone hitting the brakes.

Its not really comparable to personal debt but a comparison can be drawn;

Let's say someone is in £40,000 of debt and they earn £25,000 a year. An expensive, but promising, opportunity comes up and they now have two options:

1) They could stay in their 25k job and put every spare penny they have onto debts every month. If they do this, they reckon they can pay it all off in 15 years of frugal living.

2) They can borrow another 10k and go on a 3 year course that will bag them a job earning £50k a year. During the course they can only afford to repay the interest, so at the end of that, they will be in more debt, but earning more money, and have the now-50k debt paid off in another 9 years.

So in option 1 it takes 15 years to pay the debt and still be in the same dead end job at the end of it.

Option 2, initially the debt rises but in the end it only takes 12 years total to pay the debt, even through the debt was higher and started repaying later, and the person is also in a much better position at the end of it.


The theory is the same. Spend money to make the economy truly strong and then repaying the debt won't be the same mountain that it is with our struggling economy in a time of uncertainty.

Yup and the implication that people believed every word of the campaign.

My mind was made up years before the referendum, I knew how I would vote if there ever was one, for many reasons, but not least because we were dragged through major changes to what the EU was without being consulted for 40 years. That is unacceptable to me. Ironically because politicians calling all the shots and taking us into a political experiment without the people's consent was unacceptable. And yet here we have those who feel they know it all on forum telling me I voted the way I did because I believed every word of the campaign. :shrug: I'm not the one telling others how they think and I'm being called ignorant.