Extremism experts are starting to worry about the left
 

https://news.vice.com/story/extremis...about-the-left

Right or left - extremists from both sides are as bad as each other. To vilify one group whilst at the same time making excuses for the other is undefendable.

Well no, until the 'extreme left' start murdering people then they are not as bad. I'm quite tired of this whole 'both sides are to blame' **** in light of recent events. Neo Nazis are to blame for Charlottesville, the left didn't arm them, the left didn't make that driver kill an innocent bystander. The Left didn't put a gun in the hands of the man that killed Jo Cox, the left didn't cause that attack on the mosque by a Right wing extremist a few months ago.

Right Wing Terrorism is a problem and not one you can blame the left for, it's a disgusting case of scapegoating to do so.

The whole thing has become increasingly tribal and no longer has anything to do with the actual politics or anyone's genuine personal beliefs; "left" and "right" have become meaningless, we have to suffer an endless onslaught of buzzwords and buzzphrases. People (most with very little genuine political understanding) pick "a side" and then adopt the rhetoric of that side. The whole world has turned into a boring, petty playground. Except it's a playground where people actually get hurt.

Remember a few months back when that Bernie supporter opened fire on republican party members playing baseball, Which left Steve Scalise in a critical condition, and the guy was only stopped by being taken out? Or did you forget?

Remember women being beating by protesters, because a gay Englishman was going to give a speech in Berkley? Or did you forget?

Yes the extreme left is awful so is the extreme right

You only see what your eyes want to see
How can life be what you want it to be? You're frozen
When your heart's not open

Words of the Leftie, Madonna.



She also said

"I've often thought about blowing up the White house"

A crazed gunman prick with no ties to extremism does not make a compelling argument that the Left are as much to blame as Nazi terrorists.

Keep scapegoating for Nazis though.

Again, students in a safezone bubble beng twats and lashing out because they have no real life experience (or links to extremism) is not a good comparison to actual terrorism.

Keep trying, you might make a valid point one day.

No the left just went there to cause trouble and inflamed the situation. They knew exactly what they were doing and got the reaction they expected enabling them to behave the same way.

As the article showed there have been plenty of left wing attacks that any logical thinking person can't turn round and blame the right for.

So you're defending Nazis, I'm not surprised.

Yes Dezzy, we're all Nazis. Well worked out.

You do make me laugh.

Naw, just Nazi sympathisers.

Name me one Nazi I've sympathised with?

John.

If someone refuses to condemn Nazis for their actions and instead look to vindicate them by blaming the left then it's only common sense to assume they have sympathies for the Nazis based on those actions.

I've been banned for much less on this forum, then what you're accusing me of here.

Go look at the first post I made on this subject, in the original thread.

What is the first thing I say? I'll tell you and you can go check it out.

I said "Terrorist bastard"

As Dezzy says though it's a simple and demonstrable statement of fact; anyone who attempts to find reason for the actions of Nazis or who suggests that they were provoked (and hence, more justified) in their actions is, by definition, sympathising with said Nazis and is therefore a Nazi sympathiser.

No judgement.

But I'm not defending them, I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy from lefties who are just as bad.

I'm saying the extremist on both sides of the scale are shyt-houses.

To be fair I was referring to Brillo's posts more than yours but - being totally upfront here - I do have a habit of tarring with the same brush when it comes to a handful of 4 or 5 members. I think understandably. Try to understand. Be a TS sympathiser :hee:.

Just as I expected. :shrug:

So what does that make lefties who refuse to condemn the extreme left for their actions?

If you want to call me a nazi for pointing out that there are extremists on both sides, there are, that is your problem not mine. I justified nothing unlike Dezzy's attempted justification of leftist thugs in post 2.

I didn't call you a Nazi.

A nazi sympathiser then. Show me where I expressed any agreement or sympathy for their actions.

Well if the Left refuses to condemn these imaginary Left Wing Terrorists that are as much to blame as the existing Right Wing Nazi terrorists then they'd be terrorist sympathisers for not condemning them.

It's quite obvious, Brillo.

I find your intent fairly transparent.

Unless you're referring to the actual Nazi party, then using the term makes you seem at best, uninformed.

At the same time the actual Nazis - on the extreme Right - were gassing and murdering their way across the world, Stalin - on the extreme Left - was having a massive killing spree of his own. Do I ever hear anyone call someone on the far Left a Communist? A Stalinist? No... because that would be just as stupid as calling people Nazis when the subject you're discussing is about a parsec away from real Nazis.

What justification?

Alf mentioned two examples, I had scathing words for both and did not justify what they did. I condemned the actions of that attempted murderer and those students that started the riot I just don't think it's justifiable to use those examples to say that the left are to blame for Right Wing Nazi terrorism.

It's scapegoating.

They were flag waving Neo Nazis, Livia. Did you not see the pictures? Why are you more concerned about the use of the word rather than the fact that their actions have led to a loss of life?

I saw a bunch of uneducated American bigots carrying a swastika.

Why - because they did. It was an organised demonstration. I don't agree with the depth of their views or the way they express them but they have as much right to express them in a legal way as a left demonstration. The left went there with an intention to cause conflict and you know it.

To an extent, yes, I agree, but I suspect that for most of these people the only thing that is stopping them is lack of means rather than lack of motivation. The ideology is exactly the same - and if they had a nation or an army - I'm not so sure they wouldn't be gassing and murdering their way across the world without hesitation.

I suppose it's important to remember that the Nazi ideology existed in small niche pockets long before those Nazis found their way into power in Germany. They didn't spring up out of the ground. Just because the current groups with white supremacist / Nazi ideologies don't currently have power, doesn't mean that they should be disregarded or ignored as a threat.

I find it ironic that you speak about people picking sides and making allusions to playgrounds when you never budge from your corner. There are plenty people on the forum who don't have a side and you definitely aren't one of them.

And there were flag waving communist, Stalinists at Jeremy Corbyn rallies this year.

http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dy...000/566788.jpg

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...60&quality=100

Did you vote for Corbyn? and if you did, does that make you a Commie sympathiser?

That could just as easily apply to those on the extreme left. They are becoming increasingly more violent. As you said yourself people pick a side and adopt the rhetoric. Some also just love violence and adopt a side to enable it.

In SD's? No there aren't.

What does Jeremy Corbyn have to do with Right Wing Terrorism in the US? This obsession is really boring.

But if you insist, there's a difference between extremists trying to hijack an unrelated event for their own purposes and Neo Nazis organising an armed rally in what is a Liberal location to 'protest' the removal of a statue of a slaver. Should be obvious really. Corbyn organised an election rally, not a communist one so it's pretty silly to blame him for the actions of extremists that wanted to hijack the event.

Also, I don't live in his constituency so no, I didn't vote for Corbyn. Need me to explain for the UK election system works? But if I did then that wouldn't make me a sympathiser to Stalinists because I'm not refusing to condemn them and I'm not making excuses to blame anyone else but them for their own actions. Again, this should be real obvious to everyone.

I can only imagine this flawed argument of yours is based around your erroneous belief that I think people who voted for Trump are Nazi sympathisers? If so please point out where I said that. Voting or supporting Trump doesn't make a person a Nazi Sympathiser, making excuses for Nazis and scapegoating innocent parties to vindicate Nazis makes a person a Nazi Sympathiser.

Bad isn't it, Communist parading around in our country? It's even worse when they come so close to gaining power, isn't it?

We had a lucky escape there, wouldn't you say?


While you're on the subject of statues. Here's a bunch of lefties pulling down a confederate statue in the US a couple of days ago.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/u...3-1024x650.jpg