Women jailed for 10 years for false rape allegations
 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ms-jemma-beale

A story youd never get to see on the radical feminist BBC

The BBC reported this exact case two months ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-41037826

Not more than an actual rapist would get on average

Anyway glad she got brought to justice lying cow

Good, cases like this make it harder for genuine victims to come out and give ammunition to assholes who hate women.

Awful thing to accuse an innocent person of, life destroying

All proven cases of false allegations should be heavily punished.

People whinge that this would make victims of rape less likely to come forward, in case they get punished, which is why I say proven cases of false allegations. If there is simply no evidence that the rape happened, then neither should be punished, rather than acting like it's a false allegation.

Glad the truth was revealed but the poor man who spent years in prison can't be compensated for loss of freedom.

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More crap from you.

Neither can the poor women psychologically scarred for life when vile rapists repeatedly go free.

I am not in any way justifying what she did but I would bet there have been a lot more victims resulting from the latter rather than the former.

100% agree

Hidden away on regional news, didnt make the national....Neither did 1000s of other women who faked rape allegations that destoyed so many lives

Studies are rarely dont on these horrific false allegations and the women usually get off scot free....But an FBI Uniform Crime Report in 1996 and the United States Department of Justice in 1997 found at least 8% of allegations were totally fake make up and false allegations. It didnt state how many of the liars went to prison

Yes it did...

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Thousands of other women? Do you have proof of that?

Seems the BBC did report on it. You expect this to make the TV news or something? How many cases get on the TV where men did rape women? Only when the case is highly unusual, like the woman attacked by 3 blokes in an hour, I expect that might be on the 'proper' news, as its proof that disgusting men are not quite as rare as we think they are...

This story was actually in the magazine I buy. This week.

Agree 100%. Except for the making it harder for genuine victims to come forward bit, which I will explain later

Disgusting woman

This rare cases will be used by certain people to 'prove' that women lie often about rape, which is absolute bollocks tbh.

Yes a few women will do this. But there are hundred of 'real' rapes to every false one.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7912766.html

Thousands upon thousands of men lie about rape. Nearly every convicted rapist will say they did not rape. Noone seems to question the mens lies...why? Why do these men lying about rape not stop genuine victims coming forwards?

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Rape myths are disgusting. The fact that some go around saying 'many' women just have sex then regret it and 'cry rape'...what is their agenda eh? Why would a woman who simply regretted sex go through the physical examinations, intense personal questions and everything? They just wouldn't. If they regretted sleeping with someone, they would simply try to forget it. Not drag it out for months in court, have their entire sexual history questioned etc.

Not many victims come forwards, as the rate of prosecution for rapists is very low. As near all rapists lie about raping. Its nothing to do with one rare case of a woman lying. And yes, it is one case...I don't remember when the last case of a false rape claim was? Yet 85000 people are actually raped every year. Men and women.

Proven false allegations? If they were actually proven, the people who said they were raped but it was actually proven they weren't would definitely get sentenced. As they are wasting police/court time. Some people (mainly men( think that if someone withdraws their complaint, that is proof they lied. It is not. Some think that just because the accused gets off without a sentence, that is proof the woman lied, its not.

Studies are rarely done on the 85000 actual rapes that happen every year either, why are you not up in arms about that? How many actual rapists get off scot free? No frothing about that either oddly enough...


I am searching for this figure that you are stating...and all I can find is that only 6% of rapists are actually sent to prison? Which is also disgusting if true..

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014...pe-allegations

109 women prosectuted for false rape claims, in 5 years. Ah I see. 98 of these involved prosecutions for perverting the course of justice, rather than the lesser charge of wasting police time.

So 109 false claims in 5 years equals 22 or so every year.

22 false claims to 3629 prosecutions for rape. Yeah, false claims are really an epidemic, eh? False claims are what we should be getting angry about? Not the fact that 3629 men raped people (both men and women)

3629 are only those actually prosecuted too. Rapists regularly get off because there is not enough evidence, or they lie through their teeth about consent, or the complainant withdraws the complaint (which does NOT mean they lied) and many more reasons. But its fair to go with actual prosecutions, which cannot be argued against.

That was my point exactly. There is no comparison so why do people make such a big fuss about a minority of women who make false claims which is minuscule compared to the amount of men who rape. Madness. PC once again.

The media chooses to focus on this minority in the hope of turning public opinion, there is a rape epidemic and no mistake, it is not taken nearly as seriously as it should be imo.

'Rapists are among hundreds of sex offenders in London only given cautions for their crimes, new figures have revealed.

The revelations have prompted criticism from women’s rights campaigners, who said it was always in the public interest to bring charges against sex offenders.

There were 1,115 cautions for sexual offences – including 16 for rape – handed down in the capital between 2012 and last year, responses to Freedom of Information requests by the Evening Standard showed.'

'Ministry of Justice guidance says that while cautions are available for any offence, they are “primarily intended for low level, mainly first-time offending”.

Police cautions are not convictions, but they require an admission of guilt. They can still appear on criminal records checks and offenders are made to sign the Sex Offenders Register.'

'Reports of sexual abuse have risen sharply in recent years, with alleged sex crimes and domestic abuse offences now comprising 20 per cent of all cases pursued by the CPS.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8000236.html

Thousands?

Are you a deliberate parody?

Indeed. yet some focus on the vanishingly small number of false claims, all of which get prosecuted.

If all rapists were prosecuted properly, our jails would be overflowing even more than they are now.

Caution for rape..ffs. Its pathetic.

TBF to thetruth, it would be 'thousand's, if you were meaning over 50 years or something. Over 50 years, using the figures we have, would be 1,100 people lying about rape.

The amount of people prosecuted for rape in that same time, would be 181,450 though. But of course that doesn't matter eh...no need to get all angry about that

Maybe it would help the cause, to point out that those prosecuted for rape are prosecuted for rape of both males and females? Its not always females that are the victims. Maybe knowing its males too will stop certain people focusing their anger in the wrong place...

Its always males that are the attackers though, in these cases. As 'rape' in UK law, requires a penis. Just getting that in before its claimed that thousands of the rapists are female.

I discovered that from watching Liar on TV that a penis needs to be inserted without consent in the vagina, anus or mouth to be classed as rape and anything else is classed as a lesser sexual assault.

I think it's actually quite barbaric and it needs to be changed so that at least the penetration of anything inside someone else is rape. It is what it is imo.

Rape with an object comes under 'sexual assault by penetration' and the sentences are the same as they are for rape. Infact rape with an object is much more likely to result in a conviction, as the person who did it can't really claim that it was consensual and lie their ass off as noone would consent to, for example, a broken bottle shoved into their anus.

If someone is prosecuted for rape, they are a male. No doubt about it. Given how our laws work. Which is why its so annoying to see the endless stories in the press about 'woman prosecuted for rape' when one look at the photo tells you its a bloke who dresses up as a woman. Or just a bloke who has told people he is a woman and its been reported as that on nothing.

ONLY 5.7% of accusations lead to convictions out of around 200,000 accusations a year
That means 94.3% do not have enough evidence or are simply lies ? 94.3% of 200,000 is 188000 allegations with no evidence
188000? The whole business of victim mentality and fake accusations is a particularly feminine issue. Men have massively lower rates of false allegations.
As reported 8% in the usa in a year were proven false which is over 50,000 per annum known liars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/statistics.php

now before the false outrage begind, rape is disgusting rapists are vile and should be locked away for a very long time. we all agree on that. But false alelgations are also vile and disgusting and under reported. The fact 8% are proven liars destroying 50,000 lives a year is a massive issue which destroys everything. the innocents lives and their families. It waste billions of tax payers money across the usa the uk and around the western world. It destroys confidence in rape claimants. The sheer enormity of numbers of women making fake false ro vastly exaggerated accusations is extraordinary, especially in the case of famous men where often they seek attention and money.
It is clearly an epidemic and both sides must be reported before this bankrupts our police service and destroys more innocent men and their families and also destroys the chances of real rape victims chances of getting justice

As the stats have shown, genuine cases of false claims like this one are quite rare. I'm glad she got convicted but I hate how stories like this can have the opposite effect and make people less likely to seek justice for rape for fear of being accused of lying.

Not having enough evidence does not mean the woman lied. But of course you would think it does.

Where does this 8% figure come from? I already asked this as I could not find it.

Its not as much of an epidemic as the amount of males who rape and sexually assault, yet for some odd reason I don't see you getting all worked up about that?

You focus on men getting their families and lives destroyed, yet I see nothing about how a male raping someone (male or female) also destroys lives.

You also seem to assume, that those done for rape, are always done for raping women. This is not the case at all.

https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-abou...e-accusations/

I hope this makes you feel better about those 'thousands' of innocent male lives being ruined truth. Maybe now we can focus anger at the thousands of males who DO actually rape other people (again, male and female)

Its actually interesting, that there are more false murder charges, than false sexual assault charges...52 cases in nearly 30 years where a male was falsely imprisoned for rape. Versus 709 people ion the same time that were falsely imprisoned for murder.

Ive given you this twice already
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

in the United States, the FBI Uniform Crime Report in 1996 and the United States Department of Justice in 1997 reported that 8% of accusations for forcible rape had been through investigation determined to be false

8% to be known false cases is a staggering amount, tens of thousands of innocent people and their families destroyed by lies and gossip

That is simply untrue

Ah right Wikipedia. Sorry :S

Apparently false claims are estimated at between 2 and 10% so I am willing to take your 8%

Are you willing to read the link I posted, about how only 52 men, since 1989, were imprisoned for false accusations of sexual assault (accusers both male and female)

Or are you just going to continue saying that thousands of innocent male lives are ruined, when all evidence shows this is not the case?

They are astonishingly rare. Especially to get to a court room with a false allegation. And especially compared to the number of men who do actually rape (again, these men rape both men and women)

2 false cases a year make it to the court stage. And even with these 2 cases, its not to be assumed that the person complaining (does not state if male or female, could be either) was actually raped and just accused the wrong person.

But yeah, 2 cases a year. Not exactly the epidemic that you claim. 6 a year arrested, is not an epidemic either (though obviously it would be best if they were not arrested if they did not commit a crime...but all crimes a few people will get accused when they did not do it). Compared to the thousands upon thousands of males that DID rape. But the few false claims are apparently the epidemic, not male violence.

Bloody hell. I knew law was one hell of a dense subject but my god I can't keep track. [emoji23]

what you are saying here is also untrue and ignores the FACT 94% of rape accusations are chucked out for little or no evidence or siimply proven to be lies delusions or made up. 94% is a staggering figure which is of 188,000 innocent men falsely accused per year , their lives destryed by lies and gossip. 188,000 per year in the UK alone. Now you choose to ignore that as you choose to look at this purely from the female perspective which is cold and cruel and simply dishonest. Yes out of the 188000 thrown out I am certan there are thousands who are guilty but there isnt enough evidence. but in a civilies society you must have evidence and it must go through the courts otherwise what do we have? anarchy? trial by gossip ? trial by media by twitter? by facebook? a kangaroo court when men get beaten up or killed or gossip spread by false accusers?

how would you feel if you or your loved ones were falsely accused your reputations and lives destroyed by a woman who simply lied? exaggerated? maybe through revenge or delusions or mental health issues etc etc etc
The other side of this is NOT being fully reported in this dumbed down black or white politically correct radically feminized culture

Thats a no then. A no to looking at proven evidence. Great and unsurprising.

Again, not enough evidence does not mean that the allegation was false. And if something was proven to be lies/delusion the accuser would be prosecuted.

I just refuse to believe the ridiculous rape myths that claim that women who just regret having sex will 'cry rape', given they would be subjecting themselves to internal exams, very personal questions and likely their entire sexual history being dragged up in court as some kind of defense, because of course if a woman has had sex in the past that means that she is always available for sex. Someone who regretted having sex would just want to forget all about it, not drag it out for months and months and let the world know about it.

Again, you say 94% are chucked out with no evidence which means the person made it up and it was proven. If this is the case, why are more people not done for wasting police time? 109 women in 5 years were done for this as their claims were proven false. Do you really think that the court, the police and such just 'let them off' in false claims? They seem to take them very seriously given ALL women who were done for this were prosecuted. Infact, being proven to have a false claim seems to be taken even more seriously than actually raping someone.

Any woman who lies about this is an utter twat and deserves a long sentence. But I also think the same of men who do rape, of which there are thousands more of them.

False allegations are under reported?

What does that even mean?

Liars come in both sexes.

Not to mention this is not the 1950s - why would a woman be concerned about regretting having sex to the point she made a false allegation. There is no shame in women making such mistakes any more. If you have regrets you just move on. What’s done is done.

Obviously. But the figures when it comes to specifically lying about rape speak for themselves.

Was once sat in court at the back, were can be a member of the public, and a man faced a charge of putting his hand in a woman's vagina

Exactly. Its just a ridiculous myth that some like to spread around as if its fact.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/d...eport-2017.pdf

Some good reading for anyone interested. It seems for violence (including sexual violence) against women and girls...the prosecution rate is improving. About ****ing time. 6% of rape cases being prosecuted is ridiculous, though I understand if its a 'he said she said' case then it should not really be in court. Luckily, it usually isn't and cases that get to court tend to have significant evidence behind them.

This tbh. I'd imaging the only people who lie about something like this are the people who have specific vendettas against the people they accuse.

Rather than just regretting a one night stand.