Sad day for animal welfare
 

Didn't think that brexit was being used to remove rights and protections?...Think again

'MPs have voted to reject the inclusion of animal sentience – the admission that animals feel emotion and pain – into the EU Withdrawal Bill.

The move has been criticised by animal rights activists, who say the vote undermines environment secretary Michael Gove’s pledge to prioritise animal rights during Brexit.

The majority of animal welfare legislation comes from the EU. The UK Government is tasked with adopting EU laws directly after March 2019 but has dismissed animal sentience.'

This will impact in all areas of animal welfare, can people still be convicted of animal cruelty? Could it be used to bring back fox hunting or badger baiting?
Will regulations on animal slaughter be relaxed?

My feeling also is that standards in farming will suffer with more animals kept in smaller spaced and potentially battery fed like chickens.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8064676.html

Yes Kizzy
not me, though.

It's not surprising considering that May wants to bring back Fox Hunting. Disgraceful.

Dezzy
Wasted post.


FOX HUNTING - is never back
ref: DP BBC2HD


May is not in the Next UK Election 2022
Fact.



I assume Dezzy
you are aware that the 5 Year Election was fecking ReSet,

Totally shameful and disgusting.

Just so wrong on every level

How anyone can deny that animals experience emotions is beyond me.

The world really seems to be moving backwards lately

****ing twats.

This.

thankfully the EU stopped bullfighting in Spain and France and the massacre of birds in malta

oh wait..

and Cyprus, where lots of rare birds stop off on their migration, only to be shot by enthusiastic locals.

Badger baiting was banned in this country long before the EU was even formed.

Remember when Nicky asked about vegetarian suggestions and many have thought it's funny to mock the idea?
Then hi.

I agree this is about fox hunting and badger culling.

Badger baiting has been rife in this country for the past four years https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rials-new-test

Hmm, but then again it might be
Ref: Dave Ja Vu

Badger baiting has nothing to do with badger culling :conf:

This is just gross to be quite honest. Didn't see this thread and the story has just popped up on my facebook feed. Horrible people :(

Two completely different issues

Prioroties animal rights during brexit...eh hellooo...unless we start with zebra crossings for ants and hedgehogs then you can **** right off with the priorotisation of beast before man

There are a couple of online petitions for an amendment on this issue that anyone feeling concerned should sign. https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitio...ithdrawal-bill
And https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliame...ithdrawal-bill

Quote of this thread.

You are right in that.

Thanks Jaxie

Nice one jaxie.
Thanks for that.

The thought of a hedgehog on a zebra crossing has absolutely made my day.

I think that animal welfare standard in the UK are FAR above the majority of EU countries. I'm baffled at this thinking that being in the EU has made us all fluffy and loving.

https://www.indy100.com/article/anim...y-tory-8068691

List of mp's who voted this through. My local guys on here :rolleyes: also it's only tories, dups, and 2 independents on this list.

Who mentioned the EU?... What has the EU to do with the issue here and the vote in OUR parliament on animal sentience.
Don't try to muddy the waters by pointing at other parts of the world and their positions on animal welfare but focus on ours, that is the topic of the thread.
What are your thoughts on the outcome of the vote?

I agree. I think Livias point was that the majority of animal welfare regulations before now were mostly EU laws. But I don't think that's directly relevant. This is more about what is happening, than what isn't happening.

Hardly surprising to most I think. Not because labour ministers care more about the animals but because they are trying to pretend they care - for obvious reasons. Not rocket science.

Got to be seen to be doing the right thing after all. Doesn’t wash with me. Caring about animals is not political. It just gets used by those with an agenda.

Hardly a surprise from the people who would have legalised again hunting with hounds,had they won a larger majority in June.
Sickening to see the extreme DUP helping them win the day too.

What an odd way to defend tories / slander labour.

Bloody Labour doing the right thing :fist: I dont believe you care therefore youre just as bad :fist::fist::fist:

:conf::conf::conf:

So conservative MPs just don't care that we know they don't care?
We knew that long before this vote.

Won't this outcome be used by those with an agenda then? It'll be back to animal testing in labs or cosmetics as their only dumb animals with no feelings.

And what a coincidence that not a single labour minister voted for it - because they are all such lovely caring individuals. Yep believe that! Care more about keeping their jobs more like.

The decision on sentience wasn't taken in the EU, that was the meaning behind that statement Smudgie. My post was in relation to the decision taken in our parliament only.

There is as always the challenge from Livia that we have better protections than anywhere, but where are they? Where is the burden of proof that our animal rights protections are better? Of course imagining for a second they are will they still be when the issue of animal sentience is applied to preexisting legislation? Will animals be afforded the same protections due to the fact it has been asserted they have no capacity for emotion?

I'm sorry I confused you but again I'm conscious of the conversation being diverted into an EU bashing exercise rather than a discussion on how our independence is being mapped.
We are a nation of animal lovers, does this ruling speak for us and what will it mean for the future of animal welfare in England?

And the conservatives don't care about keeping them?... Your post makes no sense brillo, who is gong to get rid of them based on the outcome of a vote?

Er perhaps a priminister in waiting desperate to make out all his labour MPs are such caring individuals. That is the socialist mantra is it not - that they hold the moral high ground with no other political ambition than to help the have-nots. :hehe:

I homestly think that very close to 100% of people in the country would have voted against this movement. That includes snp/labour/green/libdem/every other party.

The gymnastics youre going through to justify this on some level is weird. Sometimes its okay to agree with a party you dislike / disagree with a party you like. Thats basically adulthood, Brillo.