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Shaun 13-12-2017 06:28 PM

EU Withdrawal bill amendment succeeds, 309 to 305 votes
 
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The government has been narrowly defeated in a key vote on its Brexit bill after a rebellion by Tory MPs.

In a blow to Prime Minister Theresa May, MPs voted to give Parliament a legal guarantee of a vote on the final Brexit deal struck with Brussels.

The government had argued this would jeopardise its chances of delivering a smooth Brexit.

The amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill tabled by ex-Attorney General Dominic Grieve was backed by 309 to 305.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42346192

arista 13-12-2017 06:48 PM

Waste of time.
We are still going out in 2019 March.

smudgie 13-12-2017 06:51 PM

If they waste time I would imagine we would leave with a hard Brexit.
Can't wait until it's done and sorted one way or another.
Roll on March 2019.

Kizzy 13-12-2017 06:52 PM

Excellent news, at last something democratic about brexit!

arista 13-12-2017 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NanaChristmas (Post 9737668)
If they waste time I would imagine we would leave with a hard Brexit.
Can't wait until it's done and sorted one way or another.
Roll on March 2019.


Yes
the PM is on her way to the EU Summit.

4 votes
will not change this

Ref : 2 MP's on Ch4HD news and SkyNewsHD,

joeysteele 13-12-2017 07:02 PM

A good result, common sense.
Well done to the Con MPs and indeed all other Parties MPs too,who refused to allow parliament to just be taken for granted and for fools.

Wizard. 13-12-2017 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza (Post 9737669)
Excellent news, at last something democratic about brexit!

What are you on about? The referendum was democratic

Brillopad 13-12-2017 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza (Post 9737669)
Excellent news, at last something democratic about brexit!

What’s democratic is we are leaving as per the referendum result. If those constantly trying to intervere in a desperate attempt to overturn the original result continue we will end up with a hard Brexit: which will probaly be better than the soft mess the remoaners are after.

Brillopad 13-12-2017 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariah Christmas (Post 9737679)
What are you on about? The referendum was democratic

The hardline left think something is only democratic when they say so.

Brillopad 13-12-2017 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 9737677)
A good result, common sense.
Well done to the Con MPs and indeed all other Parties MPs too,who refused to allow parliament to just be taken for granted and for fools.

Say hello to the resulting hard Brexit then. :hehe:

Wizard. 13-12-2017 07:12 PM

Yeah let Jeremy Corbyn lead a vote of no deal on the Brexit deal then we have to leave on no trade terms business go bust the economy goes into recession and we FINALLY get rid of the old bastard!

Kizzy 13-12-2017 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9737682)
The hardline left think something is only democratic when they say so.

Hard line left?....Not a concerned citizen with genuine concerns?
No you have to make my critique appear as an irrational outburst.... have you ever thought of a career as a tabloid journalist? You're a natural :laugh:

The referendum was based on a lie, a lie that the NHS would be fully funded, it most certainly is not.
Many should feel duped, as you most certainly were on that.

Kizzy 13-12-2017 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mariah Christmas (Post 9737689)
Yeah let Jeremy Corbyn lead a vote of no deal on the Brexit deal then we have to leave on no trade terms business go bust the economy goes into recession and we FINALLY get rid of the old bastard!

Ooof! hark at the language on here... Lowers the tone doesn't it brillo?

Kizzy 13-12-2017 07:30 PM

Well well well...dare to defy the autocracy?...

Tory MP Stephen Hammond has been sacked as vice-chairman of the Conservative Party after he rebelled against the Government on a key Brexit vote.

Put a claim in for unfair dismissal :idc:
surely all the rebels will be going?


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8108691.html

Brillopad 13-12-2017 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza (Post 9737697)
Hard line left?....Not a concerned citizen with genuine concerns?
No you have to make my critique appear as an irrational outburst.... have you ever thought of a career as a tabloid journalist? You're a natural :laugh:

The referendum was based on a lie, a lie that the NHS would be fully funded, it most certainly is not.
Many should feel duped, as you most certainly were on that.

So the remoaners keep telling us. If anyone is being duped it’s Corbyn’s followers. He changes his mind at every turn to suit.

Brillopad 13-12-2017 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza (Post 9737697)
Hard line left?....Not a concerned citizen with genuine concerns?
No you have to make my critique appear as an irrational outburst.... have you ever thought of a career as a tabloid journalist? You're a natural :laugh:

The referendum was based on a lie, a lie that the NHS would be fully funded, it most certainly is not.
Many should feel duped, as you most certainly were on that.

From one concerned citizen to another. You don’t have the monopoly on concern - just different concerns.

Crimson Dynamo 13-12-2017 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza (Post 9737669)
Excellent news, at last something democratic about brexit!

:facepalm:

Kizzy 13-12-2017 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9737717)
So the remoaners keep telling us. If anyone is being duped it’s Corbyn’s followers. He changes his mind at every turn to suit.

Who is pro remain?... We voted out so let's leave, I'm ok with it are you ok with being lied to and having your rights and protections as an, employee, consumer and human removed?

Changing his mind on what... the brexit that means 'brexit' the impact of which is unknown because nobody bothered to check?! :joker:

Shaun 13-12-2017 07:52 PM

It's almost as if 'Brexit' was a complex process that would require more than one 52% referendum, before any of its consequences played out, to proceed with :think:

Brillopad 13-12-2017 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Christmas treeza (Post 9737733)
Who is pro remain?... We voted out so let's leave, I'm ok with it are you ok with being lied to and having your rights and protections as an, employee, consumer and human removed?

Changing his mind on what... the brexit that means 'brexit' the impact of which is unknown because nobody bothered to check?! :joker:

Scaremongering. No ones having their rights removed - it’s all speculation.

Crimson Dynamo 13-12-2017 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Carole of the Bells (Post 9737752)
It's almost as if 'Brexit' was a complex process that would require more than one 52% referendum, before any of its consequences played out, to proceed with :think:

yes and its almost like hindsight suddenly is available as an app..


:idc:

Shaun 13-12-2017 08:24 PM

No it's just available as Parliamentary process! Sorry you hate democracy!

Crimson Dynamo 13-12-2017 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Carole of the Bells (Post 9737814)
No it's just available as Parliamentary process! Sorry you hate democracy!

i dont hate it and i dont hate it when it goes against my opinion either

Brillopad 13-12-2017 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Carole of the Bells (Post 9737814)
No it's just available as Parliamentary process! Sorry you hate democracy!

Twist away - but we all know who the ones flouting democracy are. The ones who have continuously stamped their size 10s since June 16.

DemolitionRed 13-12-2017 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 9737674)
Yes
the PM is on her way to the EU Summit.

4 votes
will not change this

Ref : 2 MP's on Ch4HD news and SkyNewsHD,

Oh but it might. May may arrive at the EU summit to be told that she can't negotiate for a position of power because she has no authority. Its a bit like a company going in to make a big deal, they need to sit down with the man who has the authority to make that deal and not the salesman.

May at this present time, is only the salesman

Kizzy 13-12-2017 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9737760)
Scaremongering. No ones having their rights removed - it’s all speculation.

And you don't speculate.... Would you like me to compile a nice list of all your prior speculation?

Scarlett. 14-12-2017 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mariah Christmas (Post 9737679)
What are you on about? The referendum was democratic

and so is the elected MPs of Parliament having a say in Brexit :shrug: It's not one or the other.

Withano 14-12-2017 05:14 AM

That's logical. Dunno why its only some of the righties having an issue with this, why do they hate democracy?

user104658 14-12-2017 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 (Post 9737819)
i dont hate it and i dont hate it when it goes against my opinion either

You don't seem to like it much either, though. This vote failed for the tories because a sufficient number of democratically elected MPs - voted for by the public just as the referendum was, and so representatives of the public - didn't think it was the right thing for the country and voted against it.

But you don't seem too happy about that... Because it goes against your opinion? :shrug:

Livia 14-12-2017 09:43 AM

Isn't it strange how people play at politics to suit their agenda? Even if it means cutting of their nose to spite their face? We may get a sh1t deal but Oh! Jeremy Corbyn...

user104658 14-12-2017 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9738482)
Isn't it strange how people play at politics to suit their agenda? Even if it means cutting of their nose to spite their face? We may get a sh1t deal but Oh! Jeremy Corbyn...

What does any of it have to do with Jeremy Corbyn, specifically? The vote only failed for the Tories because a number of Tory MPs (rightly, and in the spirit of democracy, in my opinion) refused to toe the Tory line. I doubt they did it because they want to suck Corbyn's dick :think:.

Livia 14-12-2017 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa (Post 9738489)
What does any of it have to do with Jeremy Corbyn, specifically? The vote only failed for the Tories because a number of Tory MPs (rightly, and in the spirit of democracy, in my opinion) refused to toe the Tory line. I doubt they did it because they want to suck Corbyn's dick :think:.

This thread isn't about dick sucking, is it? I'm referring to the avid Corbyn supporters who thinks he's the next coming. It's amusing...

user104658 14-12-2017 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9738495)
This thread isn't about dick sucking, is it? I'm referring to the avid Corbyn supporters who thinks he's the next coming. It's amusing...

But this thread has nothing to do with Corbyn, and Corbyn wasn't brought into it by Corbyn supporters? In fact most of the Corbyn posts are from people saying "Corbyn is rubbish!!". On a thread about the EU withdrawal bill. :think:

EU Withdrawal bill ShmEU Schwithdrawal schbill ... I DON'T LIKE PRAWNS. Discuss.

Tom4784 14-12-2017 10:22 AM

Imagine still using the term 'remoaner' one year AFTER the referendum. Living in the past much? Preferable to facing up to the realities of Brexit?

Tom4784 14-12-2017 10:23 AM

Jeremy Corbyn only gets brought up by his haters these days, again, like I said in my previous post, probably because it's easier for people to get mad about him then it is to face up to the reality of what they voted for.

Livia 14-12-2017 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9738333)
That's logical. Dunno why its only some of the righties having an issue with this, why do they hate democracy?

MPs are there to represent the feelings of their constituents. More constituents voted to leave than voted to stay in a democratic referendum. Therefore anything that now halts or undermines that process is undemocratic.

Livia 14-12-2017 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9738533)
Jeremy Corbyn only gets brought up by his haters these days, again, like I said in my previous post, probably because it's easier for people to get mad about him then it is to face up to the reality of what they voted for.

I can't get past his support for terrorists, his lack of action on the anti-Semitic tendencies of his own party and that fact that he has a Marxist for a Shadow Chancellor. Labour needs to be strong and it needed a BIG boost after Blair and Brown. But Corbyn is a Bridge Too Far and will bring more harm than good. Similarly, the Tories desperately need to sort themselves into some semblance of order. It scares me that May and Corbyn are, at present, our only two options. They're at opposite ends of the ridiculousness scale. One will do just about anything for a smooth Brexit and one will do just about anything to scupper that. All very worrying...

Tom4784 14-12-2017 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9738594)
I can't get past his support for terrorists, his lack of action on the anti-Semitic tendencies of his own party and that fact that he has a Marxist for a Shadow Chancellor. Labour needs to be strong and it needed a BIG boost after Blair and Brown. But Corbyn is a Bridge Too Far and will bring more harm than good. Similarly, the Tories desperately need to sort themselves into some semblance of order. It scares me that May and Corbyn are, at present, our only two options. They're at opposite ends of the ridiculousness scale. One will do just about anything for a smooth Brexit and one will do just about anything to scupper that. All very worrying...

Meh, if that's a common opinion then it's people's fault for choosing to undertake a precarious brexit when none of the leadership options are well suited for it.

Whatever happens, people had the opportunity to vote on Brexit and who would lead it, if people don't get the Brexit they want then it's on their heads for poor choices.

Livia 14-12-2017 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9738597)
Meh, if that's a common opinion then it's people's fault for choosing to undertake a precarious brexit when none of the leadership options are well suited for it.

Whatever happens, people had the opportunity to vote on Brexit and who would lead it, if people don't get the Brexit they want then it's on their heads for poor choices.

We're tied to Brexit now though, I'd like to see us get the best deal we can without the rest of Europe watching our politicians have this stupid, embarrassing, childish bun-fight. If there was a general election in the Spring - and let's face it, it could well happen - who would I vote for? I don't recognise any party now that I would support.

Northern Monkey 14-12-2017 11:23 AM

Looking at what this actually means.Not a great deal I don’t think other than slightly weakening the PM’s position in the negotiations.
May had already promised a ‘meaningful vote’ on the deal.
If as they claim,Tory remainers actually want a good deal then it’s kind of just a self defeating excercise.
It does smack of just another attempt to throw a spanner in the works to eventually find some way to stop Brexit.
See how they vote on the next one regarding our leaving date.That will be telling.


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