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Oliver_W 13-12-2017 08:59 PM

Sweden legalises child marriage for migrants
 
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Sweden has legalized child marriages for immigrant pedophiles who wish to stay married to their underaged wives.

In a move criticised by many as promoting pedophilia, the Swedish government have defended their controversial decision saying that the huge influx of immigrants from polygamous and ‘sexually diverse’ cultures has resulted in a sensitive ‘humanitarian’ crisis.

Camilla Brunsberg of the Conservative Party contended that [adult and child] couples should have been dissolved. According to Brunsberg, the girls should have instead been placed in a residential care home for children and young persons, whereas their spouses should have been referred to the Migration Board’s asylum residence. Brunsberg argued that there was no other alternative, as all other solutions implied that Sweden was backtracking in its acceptance of child marriage.

Brunsberg also voiced doubt whether the underage girls really dare to say the truth about their situation when interrogated by Swedish authorities, suggesting that individual assessments in reality did not carry much weight.

Nevertheless, [Social Committee chairperson] Ingrid Hermansson argued that individual trials in cases of underage immigrants who are married will continue to be held, at least until the Swedish Association of Local Authorities and Regions (SKL) comes up with different guidelines on the matter.

At present, Swedish legislation on child marriages seems to be applied differently in different municipalities. Earlier this year, the Administrative Court of Växjö ruled that a 14-year-old pregnant girl could be placed with her adult husband’s immigrant family, arguing that this was part of their culture.
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A 14-year-old child bride from Syria came to Sweden and became pregnant with her husband, who is also her cousin. Now a Swedish court has approved of her marriage, because she appears "mature," and for religious and cultural reasons.

The girl was married off to a cousin when she was only twelve years old. In Sweden, she has been placed with his aunt and her family.

The social service authorities in Sweden thought her marriage is completely outrageous and took it to the justice system.

But the judge does not think there is anything wrong with it, since she was brought up with another religious and cultural perception of what is right and wrong.

In addition, the girl, according to court, is precocious for her age and early matured, so the court does not see anything wrong.
Oh, Sweden....

Shaun 13-12-2017 09:05 PM

:facepalm: idiotic

Brillopad 13-12-2017 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Hogfather (Post 9737886)
Oh, Sweden....

Madness. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Thought Sweden were better than that.

hijaxers 13-12-2017 09:46 PM

So the Swedes really are turnips then :fist:

Niamh. 14-12-2017 09:00 AM

Absolutely crazy and disgusting

Crimson Dynamo 14-12-2017 09:04 AM

why on earth are they letting these people into their lovely country?

liberal madness

Livia 14-12-2017 09:12 AM

Child abuse.

Greg! 14-12-2017 09:19 AM

This is obviously literal fake news lol. Delete this

Niamh. 14-12-2017 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg-nog! (Post 9738454)
This is obviously literal fake news lol. Delete this

I really hope it is

Crimson Dynamo 14-12-2017 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg-nog! (Post 9738454)
This is obviously literal fake news lol. Delete this

sadly its not

"As a 15-year old Syrian refugee, Fatima has been granted all the comforts that Germany offers to those fleeing her war-torn homeland.

Living in a secluded shelter near the western town of Bielefeld, she can look to the state for all her basic needs: accommodation, food and security.

Such support is all the more needed because Fatima is pregnant by her 34-year-old husband, a fellow Syrian refugee who was put up in the same town so they could continue to see each other."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...ides-djtkwl30n

Livia 14-12-2017 09:38 AM

I don't see how they can possibly allow this outrage that goes against not only their own domestic laws, but against everything the West has achieved over the last few hundred years. Are these girls worth less than their own citizens? It's obscene.

Greg! 14-12-2017 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 (Post 9738460)
sadly its not

"As a 15-year old Syrian refugee, Fatima has been granted all the comforts that Germany offers to those fleeing her war-torn homeland.

Living in a secluded shelter near the western town of Bielefeld, she can look to the state for all her basic needs: accommodation, food and security.

Such support is all the more needed because Fatima is pregnant by her 34-year-old husband, a fellow Syrian refugee who was put up in the same town so they could continue to see each other."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...ides-djtkwl30n

1) This is about Germany
2) Nowhere does it say that Sweden has 'legalised child marriage"

Crimson Dynamo 14-12-2017 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg-nog! (Post 9738479)
1) This is about Germany
2) Nowhere does it say that Sweden has 'legalised child marriage"

Here is the Swedish news source which the story is based


http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6096214

opening para states:

A marriage between a 14-year-old girl and a 21-year-old man was approved last year by Swedish authorities. Ekot can reveal today. The case has brought strong feelings, but is just one of several examples in recent years of childhood marriage recognized in Sweden.

Livia 14-12-2017 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg-nog! (Post 9738479)
1) This is about Germany
2) Nowhere does it say that Sweden has 'legalised child marriage"

1) That doesn't mean it's not true, it means you're Googling in the wrong place.
2) The fact that it's happening in Germany too should have you worried not crying "fake news".

smudgie 14-12-2017 09:51 AM

Oh dear.
You have to live by the laws of the land you live in, not those laws be changed to suit you.
Surely there cannot be one rule/law for some and different rules for others.
Where will it all end?

Niamh. 14-12-2017 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NanaChristmas (Post 9738494)
Oh dear.
You have to live by the laws of the land you live in, not those laws be changed to suit you.
Surely there cannot be one rule/law for some and different rules for others.
Where will it all end?

Yeah I totally agree, I'm all for helping people but there should be no new rules or giving in to practices like this that protect the most vulnerable members of our society. We should be going forward not backwards

Tom4784 14-12-2017 10:27 AM

It doesn't seem like any major news outlets have picked the story up which makes me doubt it's validity but if it's true then it's ****ing stupid. Children are not emotionally prepared or can understand what marriage truly entails. This only benefits peadophiles.

Smithy 14-12-2017 10:51 AM

This is fake

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In Sweden it is illegal to get married before the age of 18. However, the current law was written before the issue of child marriages that has happened before the concerned child comes to Sweden, therefore the Swedish Government has given the Justice of the Supreme Court Mari Heidenborg the task of reviewing how protection against child marriage, forced marriage and ‘honour’ crimes can be strengthened. According to the Swedish Minister of Justice, "forced marriage and child marriage must be combated. Children who have entered into marriage abroad must feel that society is on their side." http://www.government.se/press-relea...honour-crimes/
Thread can be closed

Crimson Dynamo 14-12-2017 10:53 AM

I love how not only are they dirty old men in their 30s but also their cousin...

Way to go Syria

Crimson Dynamo 14-12-2017 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dancing in Blizzards (Post 9738579)
This is fake



Thread can be closed

what by some PR release from the Government turning a blind eye to rampant immigration and child abuse?

hardly

Oliver_W 14-12-2017 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 (Post 9738585)
what by some PR release from the Government turning a blind eye to rampant immigration and child abuse?

hardly

What's more, the Government article is from March, the two in the o/p are from several months later.

Northern Monkey 14-12-2017 11:26 AM

Sweden need to pull their heads out of their ‘progressive’ virtue signaling arses and start protecting kids.

Niamh. 14-12-2017 11:27 AM

It does seem like its a fake story (I hope)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/4413...5035745945793/

user104658 14-12-2017 11:32 AM

"Your News Wire is a clickbait website that is listed on Factcheck.org’s fake news list. (9/10/2016) Update (7/7/2017)"

Come on guyz. Engage brains before posting.

Smithy 14-12-2017 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa (Post 9738631)
"Your News Wire is a clickbait website that is listed on Factcheck.org’s fake news list. (9/10/2016) Update (7/7/2017)"

Come on guyz. Engage brains before posting.

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Originally Posted by The_Hogfather (Post 9738598)
What's more, the Government article is from March, the two in the o/p are from several months later.

https://i.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif

Embarrassing

Crimson Dynamo 14-12-2017 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa (Post 9738631)
"Your News Wire is a clickbait website that is listed on Factcheck.org’s fake news list. (9/10/2016) Update (7/7/2017)"

Come on guyz. Engage brains before posting.

thats great TS but rather than talk about one news source what about the Swedish news source I posted can you "fact check" that one?

Oliver_W 14-12-2017 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa (Post 9738631)
"Your News Wire is a clickbait website that is listed on Factcheck.org’s fake news list. (9/10/2016) Update (7/7/2017)"

Come on guyz. Engage brains before posting.

There's nothing to say the source article from Sverige's Radio posted by LT is fake though.

Niamh. 14-12-2017 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 (Post 9738483)
Here is the Swedish news source which the story is based


http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel...rtikel=6096214

opening para states:

A marriage between a 14-year-old girl and a 21-year-old man was approved last year by Swedish authorities. Ekot can reveal today. The case has brought strong feelings, but is just one of several examples in recent years of childhood marriage recognized in Sweden.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dancing in Blizzards (Post 9738579)
This is fake



Thread can be closed

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather (Post 9738598)
What's more, the Government article is from March, the two in the o/p are from several months later.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather (Post 9738638)
There's nothing to say the source article from Sverige's Radio posted by LT is fake though.

The article LT posted is from 2015

Smithy 14-12-2017 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve (Post 9738641)
The article LT posted is from 2015

:joker::joker:

Niamh. 14-12-2017 11:41 AM

It's almost like you two want it to be true :suspect:

Tom4784 14-12-2017 11:41 AM

If it's not a story that's been picked up by major sources then it's not likely true. The DM would have loved this story if it could have been verified.

Wanting something to be true so you can complain about it is a world apart from it actually being true.

Smithy 14-12-2017 11:41 AM

What a car crash of a thread

Oliver_W 14-12-2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve (Post 9738641)
The article LT posted is from 2015

So it's been going on for a while then.

Niamh. 14-12-2017 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather (Post 9738650)
So it's been going on for a while then.

Probably not because the information Smithy posted-as you pointed out- is from March of this year

Eddie. 14-12-2017 11:46 AM

will a mod please close this thread!
would be disgusted if this was real. Let the children live their lives!

Tom4784 14-12-2017 11:47 AM

This is why fake news is such an issue, too many people want it to be true that they'll spread it regardless of it's validity.

Niamh. 14-12-2017 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9738654)
This is why fake news is such an issue, too many people want it to be true that they'll spread it regardless of it's validity.

I know, jeez be happy that this isn't happening for gods sake

Smithy 14-12-2017 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9738654)
This is why fake news is such an issue, too many people want it to be true that they'll spread it regardless of it's validity.

It’s so easy to copy and paste an article damning something, god forbid you check your facts first before making a fool of tourself :bored:

Crimson Dynamo 14-12-2017 11:51 AM

Denmark's dilemma

Denmark's response has swung first one way and then the other.

In February, Integration Minister Inger Stojberg vowed to act after a review found dozens of cases of girls living with older men in asylum seekers' accommodation - which the minister called "totally unacceptable".

Couples would require "exceptional reasons" to live together below the age of 18 (the legal age for marriage in Denmark) and no cohabitation would be allowed whatsoever if one party was below 15.

But separation reportedly prompted two migrants under 18 to attempt suicide.

The policy was reversed earlier this week - with children as young as 14 reunited with their husbands - after the issue was raised with the Danish Immigration Service (DIS) by lawmaker Josephine Fock.

"It is completely outrageous. We are talking about people who have fled to Denmark who are being split from each other. Some of them have children together and investigating individual [asylum] cases takes an unbelievably long time," Ms Fock told Metroxpress news service.

The DIS cited Denmark's "international obligations" as the trigger for its policy change, concluding that enforcing separate living quarters would violate the UN's Convention on the Rights of the Child and Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which guarantees the right to one's "private and family life".

That has prompted conservative politicians to call for Denmark's withdrawal from such treaties.

Data suggest that in Germany there are at least 1,000 marriages where one or both parties are under the legal marriage age of 18, of which more than half are in the southern state of Bavaria.

Unicef figures from the vast Syrian refugee camps in Jordan suggest the proportion of registered marriages where the bride was under 18 rose from 12% in 2011 (roughly the same as the figure in pre-war Syria) to 18% in 2012, and as high as 25% by 2013.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37518289

user104658 14-12-2017 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 (Post 9738636)
thats great TS but rather than talk about one news source what about the Swedish news source I posted can you "fact check" that one?

No because

A) I don't read Swedish and neither do you so we're relying on loose translation

B) None of it is even cited, in any way, making the source dubious to begin with

C) Disregarding the above and assuming the source is credible... If you had translated the entire article you would have seen that:

- It indicates that this occurred last year, BEFORE regulations were tightened

- It states that it is NOT legal to marry in Sweden under 18, it's about whether or not already existing marriages are recognised.

- It suggests that this specific case was a mistake / oversight and it's very rare that a marriage under 16 would be recognised. This is not "law" or "policy"; nothing has "been legalised".

Quote:

- It is clear that it is regrettable when it happens. It's good inattention, a mistake simply.
- It's ALREADY BEEN UNDONE :facepalm:

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After the social services in the municipality where 14-year-olds and 21-year-olds were placed questioned the Tax Agency's recognition of marriage, it has now been canceled and 14-year-old has been given a different placement.


So yeah. Fake news. The best fake news sites lie using fragments of truth to make their stories seem more legitimate... but, I'm sure you were already aware of that.

Not that I'm saying we can consider the first site one of the "best"... it also seems to be sayng that Jay Z and Beyonce are shapeshifting reptiles, that mermaids are real, and that a small alien family has been dug up in Peru. SMFH.


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