Intimate female examinations undertaken by self-identified trans sexuals
 

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-...se-smear-test/

I am so shocked by this and feel it is completely unaccepatable for a self-identified transsexual to attempt an intimate smear test on a woman who had requested a female nurse to perform the examination.

Women should always have the right to object without being or feeling labelled. The poor woman had to cancel what is already a traumatic exam in itself without the added pressure of being put is such a position. This is likely to reduce the uptake of cervical cancer monitoring by many women due to such appalling treatment. Shame on the NHS.

It is not the responsibility of women to endure such intrusion in order to validate someone else’s identity.

Not really a story then is it

very tricky and I feel for both of them - nurse and patient but the patient must always come first and I feel the nure may need to think of changing duty to a less intrusive threating job as the patient has always got to come first.

An expected response in my opinion, true or not.

This incident demonstrates how ridiculous a policy of allowing men to self-identify as women is. In the current climate it could well lead to this becoming a common situation. It is a minefield. You don’t give one group ‘rights’ by trampelling over the rights of another group. I believe someone tried it on.

I agree with everyone else that this is ultimately a non-story and the intentions to make this nurse seem like some sort of predator is clear but when it comes to Transgender people I don't think they should be classed as their intended gender until they actually transition.

It does raise an interesting possible issue worth dabating imo.

1 question? Can you request a dr who is a man but identifies as a woman exams your bits?

Then you would be asking for a female doctor...

What if i dont class myself as any sex?

Class yourself as what you want, you’re not a dr

So can i de class myself sexually by law then walk in and request a female dr who identifies as a man examine my danglers? Or the other way around for coughs and minor ailments.

Drs are professionals, I’m sure they deal with all kinds of perverts, so, like I said, do what you want

What if my drs a pervert?...do i not get a look in?.can they do what they want?..mr hostile!

Rules should be in place, then the so called clerical error couldn't or shouldn't happen.
Unless you are a fully transitioned nurse or doctor then you shouldn't be allowed to do the smear tests. If then you find you have been asked to as a clerical error you can stop it going any further and sort the clerical error out.
Smears can be embarrassing for lots of ladies, especially younger ones, everything that can be done should be done to help make them feel at ease.

Meh. Personally, I think in a health care setting gender should be irrelevant anyway... The people carrying out the procedures are professionals and that's all that should matter.

When I got the snip I was lay with all my junk on display (inside and out, haha) for a good 20 mins. 5 other people in the room - 1 male surgeon, 3 female nurses, and a female student nurse. The only thing I was given a choice on was whether or not it was OK for the student to be there... No one asked me if I minded a female nurse slathering my balls in iodine solution :shrug:. Honestly it was the last thing on my mind at the time!

I imagine this would have also been a very humiliating experience for the nurse, she didn't actually do anything wrong and it should be noted that she's doing an important job that helps and potentially saves the lives of a lot of women, she isn't a pervert to be afraid of. I imagine the patient understands that and wouldn't have wanted to cause her any more distress considering she didn't want her named. But yes she felt uncomforatable and made a complaint and the error was corrected, so this was sorted without hassle? So I do struggle a bit to see the big problem in all of this? Unless the suggestion is that transexual people shouldn't be allowed to become nurses in the first place?
Personally I think in an ideal world something like sex/gender wouldn't matter when it comes to medical issues because a medical professional is just that, and is doing a job to help their patient.

Many women find this procedure very intrusive and hate having it done. Many delay getting it done as a result. It will only serve to put women off getting it done at all as many women only want it done by female nurses. If some don’t mind that’s fine but no-one has the right to force the added tarauma of having it done by a man onto others?

Maybe if a self-identified transgender nurse can’t understand that he can’t really know what it’s like to be a woman and how such procedures can make many women feel.

The nurse didn't do anything wrong here though? And noone tried to force the patient into having it done by someone she wasn't comfortable around? It was a clerical error that was corrected as soon as the patient complained, wasn't it? As far as the nurse is concerned she was just doing her job, her intent was to help the patient, I'm not sure why there is any animosity towards her.

Default mode is default.

very understanding Jamie - I like

If everyone was as gullible as you try and make them out to be...

Im with you and brillo, there is no real story here...but for a debate..
Imagine if jimmy saville was a doctor.

No-one has said the nurse did anything wrong although he was criticised by the NHS for mis-management of the situation by stating he was not a male which the woman herself found odd.

What will happen though if and when self-identification of transgender women becomes enshrined in our laws? Will that limit choice in such situations or will anyone who expresses a preference be labelled or feel labelled? It does effectively prioritise the feelings of a minority over the majority. And it will lead to health consequences as many will fail to have such tests wihich will cost more money for the NHS if they develop cancer and require aggressive treatment.

So you're equating trans people with peadophiles.

Jesus ****..my nuts and all the wiring just shrivelled like a milkmans hopes as he realises his milk round tips just aint going to make it.



YOU WERE AWAKE...WTHEF?

No, like in march, april, august...im saying paedophiles can see an in....ya get me now?


Yer last chance btw!

And what’s frightening, particularly with all the allegations of male assaults on women and young girls of late, is that there are a lot of Savills out there. Any man could just claim to feel like a woman and gain access to female changing rooms and other areas and vulnerable women such as young girls. Commonsense has flown the coup with complete abandonment.

When I had my cancer scare, I didn't care whether or not the doctor handling my bits was a man or woman or anything in between, I just wanted to know whether I had cancer or not. I imagine when faced with the prospect of Cancer, most people would ultimately feel the same way.

Self certification, as much as I disagree with it, won't affect the preferences of patients. If a female patient wants a woman to do the smear test then a woman will do the smear, this was just a clerical mistake that was corrected.

Your last sentence just made me laugh, we've gone from blaming immigrants and the EU costing the NHS money to blamings Trans nurses and doctors :joker: What next, Single mothers?

what would have been the reaction if a male doctor had been assigned through a clerical error? I suggest it would have been dealt with in a civilised way without any drama. So, my question is why is this treated any differently?

In large organisations, mistakes happen

That's such a silly generalist argument that could apply to ANYTHING and nothing.

The idea that a peado would somehow get themselves certified as a trans woman just to molest people is so silly and to use such a ridiculously rare if not non existent argument in a debate is just pointless. Whether you intended to or not (I'm leaning towards the former) you equated trans people to peadophiles.

Spot on brillo...and couple what you say with the pressure a government must feel to tick the boxes of minority whateverers...they, the paedos have the loophole...


And people moan if conservative dont tick those boxes, god help us if numbnuts gets in....cause i hope im asleep for that.

Except that's not going to happen. It's just irrational to think that could become the norm and it's harmful as you are basically suggesting that trans people are more likely to sexually abuse someone because they might only be claiming to be trans just for some pretend idea that it means they can get away with molesting people.

"Certified"as a transwoman.

Congrats, you know how to use speech marks, got anything to add to the topic or?

Perfectly put Smudgie :wavey:

Even though ive demonstrated in london against paedos and the establishment along side many sexually confused individuals....dont make me post video evidence cause there will be retaliation evidence needed about your humanness needed.

I have also had a cancer scare in the past and I did care. Women tend to be more private that way. You see it in simple things like changing rooms where men nearly always walk around naked in friont of each other. Women not so much. Men pee in front of each other something women never do. Whether you want to see it or admit it or not there are distinct differences between men and women this way.

Does everyone really have to feel like you to have their feelings and opinions validated?

As a woman I always insist on a woman for smear tests,I find them highly embarrassing and IF a guy was to do it I wouldn't have one,simple as that. Not everyone is happy to flaunt their genitals at the drop of a hat.

Yeah, it's done under local anaesthetic :joker:. I wish I could say I didn't feel a thing - but that's not true either, you can feel a sort of pulling / tugging with an ache like being kicked in the nuts, and I personally felt some "sharp" pain when they were stitching up, too.

All while the senior nurse was reassuringly patting my chest and telling me I was doing well for not crying, and the student was asking me about Irish Lotto! Bloody surreal...

I had my first pap smear/catheter at 12 by a male doctor as I was way too intimidated by doctors at that point to ask for anything else. I could tell it was really uncomfortable for him though (and my mom/grandmother was there), but it was a bit surreal.

To add to that, the nurse was screaming at me to relax. I somehow managed to tell her in my own shy 12-yr old to ****... and there I'm thinking "I have a tube embedded in me and it hurts like you would not believe, but you want me to RELAX? Sure Jan". I would've loved to have relaxed, that would've meant the whole thing would be over. But we can't always have nice things.

My point is I can understand wanting to have more control as a patient and not dealing pushy doctors or nurses.

I'm not sure which is worse, your story or mine. :laugh: