Views on civil marriage.LW
 

I found this video interesting of Christopher Biggins views on marriage,very much like Anns so not all gay people agree with Shane J,they have the decency to appreciate we don't all want the same things,it looks like he has the same views as Amanda and Wayne.

Well he is entitled to his opinion and it seems to me many of the older generation of gays are much more tolerant of others views, which is an interesting turnaround in these days of open mindedness :laugh:

very old school and not understanding things change.

allot of things we used to do in the past we now look back with shame.

It does seem to be a generational thing mostly

is he not entitled to be old school? must everyone be singing from the same hymnsheet?

Prime example of that generation of self loathing, aplogitic gay person.

They are so desperate to be liked that they’ll align themselves with people who despise them deep down.

No he ****ing isn’t. Sometimes people need to be shouted down when their backwards opinions are this damaging.

I think we should take Amandas advice,ditch the labels ,live and let live,no one gender needs to be better than the other, we are all entitalled to our own views,we don't HAVE to like anyone,lets just as I said live and let live,it's not hard to do,all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

Calm down,blimey:nono:

:umm2: yay let's swop one oppressive attitude for another, is this your progress?

They don't do their cause any favours do they, just so aggressive :shrug:

Ah this argument. Ok.

This is usually the response when people are trying to stand up for the rights of a minority. Why can’t we all just have our own views? Why can’t we all have rights? What about the white man? Please.

The same response people (usually white people) have towards the “black lives matter” movement. Or “me too”.

Fighting for the rights of a minority group is not about making them special. It is about amking them equal.

Aggression is sometimes the only way people will listen.

Stonewall being a prime example.

A few people found who were less likely to hold the view certain rights need not be changed.
Their word becomes Gospel.

Dismissing almost the vast majority of lgbt communities fighting for to be seen as equals with equal rights.

Those few people did not have power to vote in changes.
Ann did, you learn a fair bit about people once you see what they would do or do when they have influence or power.

You just sound a bit paranoid to me.

It's aggressive attacks like that that earn you no respect...everyone has different beliefs and opinions...live and let live.

No.

I do not agree.

Live and let live changes nothing. Gets **** all done.

The world is not changed by sitting back and letting everything think their backwards opinions are valid.

The woman is down on official record voting against the rights of gay people.

It can’t be any clearer than that.

The world has changed a lot since Anns , Amanda and Waynes day,and not all for the better, what exactly do you want ?

wow what a horrible view of life :shocked:

That was years ago,she is retired ,she was not the only one to vote against it and she did explain her reason for doing so,but this is 2018 and a game show,none of the others have been judged on their past,so why her?

and what did shanes parents vote for in Australia 20 years ago?

...’we can’t just throw away everything, we have to hold on to some things’ is just his own perspective of Christopher Biggins being perfectly happy in his civil partnership, he doesn’t personally feel the need for marriage...which I think is the difference in a ‘how I’m affected personally in my life’ and ‘the affect on a collective community’, which is more how Shane J is in his views...

She still holds those views. She still stands by those opinions.

And her reasoning was BS.

Exactly. :clap1:

i see you are rather fond of your own opinion

but not of others..

:idc:

Is there a gay gene?

If there is, how does it get passed on, in a civil partnership or gay marriage?

Gay men used to marry women and have children with them and pass on their genes.

Internalised homophobia from a biphobic anti-semite, he is entitled to his views but I don't respect them.

It's not about religion or about anything else other than equal rights, there's benefits to marriage that, until relatively recently were not available to people in non-straight relationships based on nothing more but a definition of a book that's thousands of years old.

Exactly! And if marriage belongs to the church then how is it that marriage appears in every religion on the planet..

Very much so.

And I will gladly listen to someone’s terrible opinions. Until it is my turn to speak and tell them why they are wrong.

So even when she explains it,you don't believe it,so what's the point ? you just believe whats in your head:joker::joker:

I would hazard a guess that a lot of people complaining have never bothered to visit the ballot box until Brexit came to bite them on the bum, never mind went on march' s,(Gay Pride aside), its very easy to moan and complain sat at your PC

Just because someone explains their views doesn't mean other people has to accept them as the truth. People ARE allowed to hold opposing views, you know.

I didn't think Ann was homophobic for the most part of this series, I thought she had no problem with the gays but disagreed with marriage but it's becoming apparent that she does have homophobic tendencies and I don't think you can expect people to accept that and keep quiet. She's allowed her views and so is everyone else. Like she said in the house earlier on in the series, I believe, 'people are entitled to their offense'.

It's also very easy to generalise a group of people based on nothing, it seems.

it is not based on nothing..there are many statistics to back up the lack of political engagement in certain age groups.

He's an ogre

..but legislation on gay marriages/civil partnership was never a public vote thing so I dont understand how that would equate anyway...

Forgive me if I'm not swayed by someone who doesn't believe bisexuality exists.

Bit of a silly argument considering that the numbers of youth voters have been higher recently than normal, possibly ever.

I don't think not marching for a cause doesn't make you any less worthy of speaking for it. Marches aren't exactly commonplace and usually they happen in places like London which is not accessible to everyone.

Seems like very slight reasons to try to devalue someone's input into the discussion.

because people were complaining that Amanda and Wayne were not politically involved and are now riding on a wave of other peoples hard work, just wonder how many complaining actually put some work in, lobbied their MP, etc