ann supporting conversion therapy
 

i just saw this in another thread but it got locked so i’m continuing the discussion here teehee

what are your thoughts?

in MY opinion she’s scum

Stop trying to use housemate conversion therapy on Ann fans

Horrendous it doesn't work and I dont understand how anyone can think it does. Plus the psychological scars.

I found it really odd how this managed to stay on the hush until a few days before the final, when there have been a few people constantly going on about her voting record. Good timing for it to surface now. Anyway

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/co...glad-to-be-gay

Is what she actually said on it all.

Btw strawman nobody agrees with conversion therapy on this forum

Whos Strawman? :conf:
If you dont agree say so no need for these extra comments

I had no idea about this. Glad I don't support Ann anymore now.

Can people read ? instead of just being happy to believe people who dont like her, this story is not so black and white, she wanted to help gays who didn't WANT to be gay,so maybe go and read up ,people at one time thought it would cure them the gay person WANTED the therepy. loving these new words converstion therapy oh how people are grasping at it,

Please expand further by what you understand Ann to support?

Or are you going off one line in a tweet?

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She's a dinosaur with dated views, no shocker

Hopefully in 70 years time views like conversion therapy belief are totally eradicated

But your happy to believe what is said on here instead of researching it,that figures.

It sounds so wrong to do that to someone :(

There isn't much point posting this as it will just be ignored :laugh:

The gay person WANTED the therapy,no one was forced,have you actually read Vickys article ?

It has literally been a thing since the 1920’s, it’s all well and good telling others to read up about it, maybe you should too....



Like Reece said, her views are outdated, it’s a generational so no doubt a couple of decades from now people will look back at it in horror in a similar way to slavery (and I’m not comparing those two btw, I’m just saying people will look back in a “wow can you believe that actually used to happen” kind of way)

Thanks for posting that link Vicky. Again Ann states things clearly. If someone is reaching out to doctors for help, we should treat them. She is saying that we shouldn't turn away someone in mental turmoil. Not the same thing as some wish to imply at all.

Nobody thought this in 2012, which is when Ann spoke out in defence of it

I know I thought that ,but really it's like just because they hate her they flow along with anything said,such close mindedness I have never seen before.

It's an interesting issue because there are instances of gay/bisexual people wishing to partake in 'therapy' themselves but ultimately it's like trying to get experimental medical treatment to make yourself taller / grow a few extra inches down below. It's just doomed to failure and going to upset you further :laugh: and the idea that people can make money off what is essentially denying someone's identity - since it's not covered by the NHS and would be a private medical expense - is shameful.

Mental health and psychiatric branches of the NHS would be better suited to this instance.

Also the article explains the instance of an undercover reporter seeking 'treatment', so it's not technically written from the POV, or indeed in defence, of someone who actually wants the treatment.

Not really.

I'm surprised tbh, even with her views she's still an intelligent woman and just a small amount of knowledge of/research into conversion therapy will show that it's not only useless but also can be pretty damaging.. If somebody wants to have conversion therapy then it means their issues with their sexuality are so deep that they'll very likely only be damaged further by having it, it's actually quite cruel to those people to encourage it.

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You mean she wanted to take advantage of the mentally ill.

I would argue that most paid therapy is this tbh.

My pain clinic keeps trying to get me to go to new therapy...to mentally deal with the pain I am in. As if ****ing thinking it away will make it go away. its stupid :bored:

Ann is Queen.

This as well tbh. Conversion therapy serves no other purpose than to promote an anti-gay agenda and she used other people's suffering for that end. I could give her the benefit of the doubt that she just didn't know enough about it but given her knowledge and intelligence I'd be very surprised.

That's different though, The point in that therapy would be to help you deal with the pain and that's not what the aim of conversion therapy is. Psychological therapy for people struggling with their sexuality could be good for them but that's not conversion therapy.

Oh yes, I am not comparing conversion therapy to this stupid therapy i am being offered D: just saying that basically all paid therapy is taking advantage of the (physically or mentally) ill tbh

Oh right :laugh: well yeah I suppose it is. Although it's not really a bad thing if it helps

Honestly think thats what Ann was referring to, particularly in reference to her time working for the Samaritans, critical point of care .... that by the way is genuinely showing care for every human being .... i don't see many threads saying how commendable that is :laugh:

I wasn't referring to conversion therapy with that comment btw ^ it's the opposite of helpful, and if Ann had genuinely good intent then it'd require not having knowledge of it and I just find that really hard to believe... but yes it could be possible. I'm sure she's done good elsewhere with her Samaritan work etc and she's not all bad but she's not all good either and I can't get on board with defending this sorry, promoting conversion therapy knowingly of what the reality of it is and what the dangers are is indefensible imo.

Oh, stop with that nonsense already.

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You can't 'help' someone who is unhappy with being gay by conning them into believing that they can change what gender they love. I think the infertility argument as well as the Transgender arguments are stupid as well. Infertility can be treated, it's a medical condition as is Gender Dysmorphia.

I bet there's few LGBT people in this world who haven't at some point wished they were straight because life is easier when you don't have to worry about the ramifications of being open about your sexuality with the wrong person, it's easier not to deal with the bull**** that anyone who isn't hetero has to face but that doesn't mean that we should support the psychological trauma and self hatred that comes with conversion therapy, I don't care how soft and fluffy Ann makes it seem in her article. The reality of conversion therapy is completely ****ed up as is anyone who believes it's acceptable. Sexuality can not be changed, conversion therapy only exposes fragile people to more psychological trauma as it teaches them to that who they are is wrong, these people need to be taught acceptance for who they love, that's the only way to be happy.

To damage someone so much that they falsely believe they are straight is a ticking timebomb waiting to happen.

If you want to open a can of worms and get really deep into it , why don't we talk about how EFFED up it is that SHOCK therapy existed for anyone and everyone that experienced depression, mental health and stress :nono:.

The people in "white coats" thought this was the answer to anyone who didn't conform with the norm of the backwards society back then.

And just remember it doesn't just take 1 person to make these decisions for so called therapy :facepalm:.

Ann hates everyone who is different from her and has no empathy for others. Her voting record is awful.

Dissing Meghan Markle is another example. Seems like everyone already forgot about that.

And yet... When India made the point that people who were trans and couldn't get the medical procedure that helps them become physically what they know they are internally... and often times it cause mental turmoil leading to suicide... Ann argued that others medical procedures are more prevalent. Hmmm.. seems to me a bit of an oxymoron.

...yeah I agree, Jamie...obviously she can be a caring person as well, we all have many aspects to us which makes us not ‘extremes’...and some like Amanda, can just ‘overlook’ certain opinions which is fine also, to focus on the ‘good’ in people etc, especially in the context of spending time with people in the house..but in doing that, you can’t separate that person from their opinions of what they believe in because what they believe in is equally very much them as well, people are their opinions in that those opinions are a representative of them..their opinions is how they express themselves verbally...for me there are things with Ann that just cannot be defended no matter which old way it’s flipped or looked at...I mean, the alleged sexual assault charges of Harvey Weinstein as well../that conversation...actually it was Amanda’s opinion with that as well...the victim blaming of saying one of the females should have said or she didn’t understand why they hadn’t said, no sorry darling, it’s just not worth getting the part... and Ann agreeing it had been a choice...sexual assault is a ‘choice’, then...?...Hmmmm, interesting...and with conversion therapy and her ‘thoughtfulness’ there, should we go back then to thinking about chemical castration as well...how far can ‘old fashioned’ be felt an excuse or a reason or etc....there are some things, some opinions with Ann that are very difficult to look beyond because those opinions are as much a reflection of her as any of the ‘good stuff’, so equally cannot be ignored...

That's a good point I never even thought about that, she doesn't want people to have to pay to treat those with a genuine disorder... but line the gays up for conversion therapy! Because being transsexual might not be as serious as having cancer but being gay sure is? (and I'd assume it could actually end up being a greater burden on the NHS in terms of money and time/resources if it was available and commonly seen as something that could be helpful which is how she's tried to position it so at best she's a hypocrite.)
She also said in the article that it could help gay men who want to father children and get married yet she apposes adoption and marriage for gay people (and ignores the fact gay people can have children naturally anyway... as well as ignoring lesbians by putting the focus on fathering, which is very interesting). Her pretext of wanting to 'help' these people is ridiculous, the whole article is twisted actually.