What should we do about Russia ?
 

What do you think we should do about Russia if it is found they have had a hand in the poisoning of the two people who are critically ill ? Do we pull out of the world cup,hit them with sanctions etc,how should we deal with it ?

..I think sanctions are something that should be looked at, Kaz...but similar to another thread atm and my thoughts there...The Brexit vote has made us quite isolated also...so care and thought would also be the thing much more atm, I feel when we think about sanctions etc...

Russians own most London, I saw the back end of a program a couple of nights ago, putin has made himself one of if not the richest man in the world.

In real terms nothing will be done.

Politics interfering with sport is a big no no. We also rely on the Russian gangsters to come here and launder their money, so any measures we do take will be completely ineffectual and purely for show. That is of course why they had the balls to do it, they know we can't do anything.

Russia is great :love: :love:

No they're not

There are many, many really nice Russian people who are kind and generous. Like any country it has it's share of unpleasant types and their government leaves a lot to be desired. Russia is a huge country, with a huge and diverse population, don't be so quick to write off it's people.

I'm not talking about the people though. I'm talking about the government and what it enacts.

Also we'll soon see how many Russians are undesirable in the election this week.

I don't know too much about Russia tbh,all I know is they seem to have killed someone like this before, and a lot of people seem to be scared of them,I know very little about Putin other than he seems to reign with an iron fist, just trying to find out what I can.

Over the past 20 years there's been 14 Russian assassinations on our soil and what have we done? I was working near Weybridge when Alexander Perepilichny was murdered and as an ex estate agent I know estate agents in that area are on the continual lookout for extremely wealthy Russians. A lot of mansions in Weybridge, Sunningdale and Bagshot are owned by Russians billionaires and millionaires who benefitted from the Kremlins wrongdoings and for too long they've been given anonymity regarding how they got their wealth.

Whilst I don't deny there are some nice Russians living here. There are far too many oligarch's. We can't carry on being a clearing house for corrupt dirty money. A Russian can become a domicile in Britain for a £million.

I doubt this assassin or assassins have flown back to Russia. Its likely they were living here under the lap of luxury until called upon by the Russian government.

What we are not going to do (and I think we should) is stop the oligarch's because the money is too attractive. Since the end of the Cold War these people have filtered something like £16billion into our country.

We should applaud them, this mans actions and others like him can cost the lives of thousands, something he had no qualms about ignoring for cash.

What can we do?

Thankyou LT that was insightful:wavey:

I didn't know that either :shocked:

Yes whatever the PM says today (around 4:30PM, Parliament )
Putin will still be Elected again.

I saw the interview with Marina Litvenenco her take is that the govt are taking dirty money from Russian oligarchs in the UK. She warned the govt not to align with certain people and I say that is good advice.

I heard a mention of israeli spys could be involved.

atm, boycotting world cup would hurt coz it is putin's fave project and it would be a statement on the world stage
plus it'd save english fans from going through the usual hope-despair cycle

Why? Tel Aviv is one of the safest havens for ex Russian spy's.

We can get all self righteous about someone being attacked on British soil, and it's fair enough to be upset about it, but if you look at any of those that have been targeted, with the exception of Skripal's daughter, they all have blood on their hands. What goes around usually comes around

Dont ask me, ask itv news, they said it...or at least the latest expert suggested it..

There are some Russian commentators who say its not even close, Putin is by far the richest man in the world. Its all very secret but the Berezovsky v Abramovich case in 2012 showed the depth of Putin's reach. And of course Berezovsky died under mysterious circumstances. Its a fascinating subject

Its also thought that Abramovich bought Chelsea to hide his money from Putin in a non threatening manner. Berezovsky had put most of his wealth in a news network that had been critical of Putin so there had been friction between the two. If its true then buying Chelsea was a masterstroke

On topic. We cant and wont do anything about Russia as many have commented the Russian Oligarchs club has considerable wealth in the UK.

Abramovitch came to "an agreement" with Putin. He paid something like 3 billion and that ensured his ongoing safety from facing a prison sentence etc. Berezovsky refused to pay and also set himself up as a political opponent. Not the smartest of moves.

Buying chelsea was all about money laundering, hence why he didn't care how much he paid for a player, as any money selling them on then became clean

Agree. Its all speculation and we cant prove any of it nor are there any hard news items backing up these claims but it does show the extent of Putins reach and control after he took power.

As a sovereign country we can't allow foreign powers to execute people here as they please. It's a matter of principle. We'd be a laughing stock if we did.

Sure
but they will never have 100% Proof
as another nation may have done this
using bought Russian Nerve Gear
or made their own Nerve Gear in another nation,
then the UK would be in the wrong.

Russia 'highly likely' to be behind spy poisoning, PM says

https://news.sky.com/story/live-pm-s...eting-11286994

Lol. Literally nothing at all.

The investigation is not over, let's see what they find out.

Of course
but be this Weds
the PM has a Conclusion
much the same as she has spoken right now.


Russia is one nation that makes the nerve gear
What about the Others?

Nerve agents are highly controlled. This particular variant was Russian state manufactured. That's all we really need to know. It is the Russian states responsibility.

As to what we can do about it, there is nothing we can do that has any meaningful consequence.

Yes that was stated days ago.
Of Course ,Russia says they did not do it
So the PM must do something herself,
Expel Russian Diplomats, should be one measure


Will that change anything?

UK Diplomats in Russia will then get kicked out etc

She could do something, the question is whether she's up to it.
I mean freezing assets etc

I think it was a mistake not to do more after Litvinienko. Putin felt he could get away with it so he carried on.

That was a New Labour feck Up.

Putin will be Elected again on Sunday
no one can stop him.
Blair got on well with Putin (as shown in the recent BBC2HD Docu on Putin)

right

Sure Nicky
but its not against the Russian Nation


Its a about the the Leader Putin.

:laugh: Lolling with you because I agree - ZILCH.

Well, of course he will be elected.
UK's (Con and Lab, and the West in general) attitude to Russia is not consistent and Putin takes advantage.

is it a lolling matter? :shrug:
so you think we should not do anything?