Owen Smith leadership challenge (again)
 

Splitting the party to take the heat off the tories and analytica?...Hmmmm

Owen Smith has broken ranks with Jeremy Corbyn to reopen the question of whether Brexit is “the right choice for the country” – and urge Labour to offer the public a referendum on the final deal.

The shadow Northern Ireland secretary, who challenged Corbyn for his party’s leadership in 2016, was brought on to the Labour frontbench after last year’s general election.

He has argued strongly for Labour to back a customs union with the EU27, something that has now become party policy, but in an article for the Guardian, Smith says .

“Labour needs to do more than just back a soft Brexit or guarantee a soft border in Ireland,” he argues.'

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...al-brexit-deal

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...european-union

The beggar has been sacked.:hehe:

Well if you dont tow the party line in a dictatorship

I like Owen Smith but he needs to go off and launch his own party and stop piggybacking on a party he disagrees with.

Great, he's got more time to suck Blairs balls now :)

I see you are taking the party stance kizzy.:thumbs:

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:joker:

Well sacking him is certainly a convenient way to distract attention from another anti-Semitism scandal: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...isemitic-mural

This corbyn character is either a very good comedian, or a very silly man.

Another attempt at a slur, Sigh....... next!!!

He is inching his way towards no 10, those positioned to scupper him for whatever reason are poised and are striking.

Another attempt to dismiss anti-Semitism, Sigh....

And to think some people think the Labour party has a problem in this area

Stop baiting.

:rolleyes:

The mural story has just been mentioned on BBC news as well FYI as part of the segment on Smith, just another smear though of course

There's a desperation going on here and the more popular Corbyn becomes, the worse it gets.

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Oooh the BBC?! ... It must be VERY important then eh?

What can we search for thats an important bit of media.

One that you would think only air worthy news.

Another case of "I don't believe a word of anything negative said about Saint Corbyn, not a word, I tell you!!! he's innocent in every way, always!"

ok then :joker:

More like the tories are in trouble widespread corruption and cronyism. let's rush out another Corbyn 'expose' this time it's a misunderstood tweet from 2012.... Yeah that ought to deflect the heat, phew!! :laugh:

But Corbyn always has the excuse of 'I didn't know!' - he seems to 'not know' what he is doing a lot, the poor innocent. He's so on the ball, PM material, isn't he? :smug:

Yes, he's just misunderstood, and doesn't realise things, the silly sausage. :huh:

He is THE most dangerously deluded person in the UK - apart from those who REFUTE all the evidence that he is a Marxist, Terrorist-Loving, Anti-Semitic, Anti-British jerk-off and BLINDLY support him.

In my opinion of course.

The only reason you say this is because I say he's not an IRA supporter. You have gone all guns blazing at Corbyn without one credible cite and you're pissed off because unlike some on here, I don't believe you.

As for Corbyn, there's plenty of things I've complained about in the past. At one point I clearly stated I didn't think he was the man for the job but like all of us, we have the right to change our mind. I'll speak on behalf of anyone if I think someone's spewing bollocks and I won't make **** up to try and deface May, even though I can't stand her politics.

We have 5 Jewish conservative MPs and 5 Jewish Labour MPs
We have 26 Jewish Labour Peers and 14 Jewish Conservative peers

It would be interesting to know the same about national newspapers.

Oh you forgot one thing. He doesn't like landlords either! Your blood must be boiling!

It's not his politics I can't stand, it's HIM.
I don't make stuff up, please refrain from saying I am a liar without any evidence whatsoever.
Its irrelevant to me if you still block out the fact he's a terrorist supporter, your agreement isn't required. :shrug:

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Then give us evidence and I don't mean some random hearsay.

I don't care if my agreement isn't required. I'll continue with my own beliefs and you continue with yours.

I agree with your opinion. There is none so blind as those who will not see -(John Heywood 1546). :hee:

Stop asking for evidence all the time whenever someone disagrees with you. If you think you can prove otherwise, feel free to do so.

"The deepest sin against the human mind is to believe things without evidence" Aldous Huxley

If you've researched all that is out there about his terrorist connections and still don't believe a word of it, there is nothing anyone can do for you. :shrug:

Yes, stop sinning against me and calling me a liar when you have no evidence that he isn't a terrorist sympathiser.

:laugh: My fortune will ULTIMATELY actually GROW if Corbyn becomes PM and implements his unachievable, totally impracticable, ill-thought out 'policies'.

I have just paid £355.00 to the Law Courts to evict a 'young single mother of two' - you know, one of those poor, unfortunate, underprivileged strata of society whom Corbyn is out to alleviate the suffering of?

My (now EX) agent foolishly let this excrement into a beautiful, modernised, double glazed, centrally heated 2 bedroom semi which had walled private gardens to front and rear etc. etc.

Her income level was so high from a combination of Working Tax Credits and Benefits that the local Council only paid a small fraction of Housing Benefits to her.

Her Facebook pages are peppered with photographs which she has posted of herself dolled up to the nines partying, hungover, and enjoying nights out with 'The Girls' ALL OVER the UK.

She started NOT paying her rent after only a few months and DESPITE all our efforts to reason with her, appeal to her AND help her (because of her two INNOCENT children) she ignored us and her arrears now top £5,000.

We have discovered that she applied for a 'Council House' but her application was 'DECLINED', but once she is evicted the same Council will be FORCED to accommodate her because she will be HOMELESS.

The trouble is, that due to a severe HOUSING SHORTAGE just WHERE the Council will place her and into just WHAT kind of accommodation is the '64,000 dollar question'.

Corbyn's policies will greatly EXACERBATE this Housing Crisis as Private Landlord after Private Landlord sell up or STOP renting to BENEFIT CLAIMANTS altogether to protect themselves.

THIS big bad landlord will sit tight because already I have determined NOT to accept anyone else who is on Benefits as tenants.

Yes, it is a shame because not ALL Benefit Claimants are bad people or bad tenants, but I have worked damned hard for a long number of years (I am still working 60+ hour weeks now) and I have made real sacrifices to build up my business and I will not allow Corbyn or anyone else to destroy all that I have worked for.

By the way, I am a GOOD landlord. My properties are all accredited and of a good standard, my rents are ALWAYS set just below the Local Market levels, and I ALWAYS help my tenants whenever I can when they have problems.

Finally, I WILL MAKE A PREDICTION; If Corbyn becomes PM, it will SERIOUSLY DAMAGE the UK, but nowhere near as much as it will DAMAGE THE LABOUR PARTY because once the damage his demented policies will cause has manifested itself, the Labour Party - if not TOTALLY destroyed - will become UNELECTABLE for decades.

And THAT is another shame.

Search Serious Debates threads on here because I have already posted long posts FULL of factual evidence concerning Corbyn and his 'Terrorist Friends'.

With all due respect though Red, I do not believe that ANY amount of FACTUAL evidence will change your devotion to Corbyn nor stop you defending him.

Instead, I believe that you will say that such factual evidence is NOT evidence.

Already, all the growing and weighty evidence that Corbyn is and has always been 'anti-Semitic' is being denigrated and/or denied by you and others despite it being wholly compelling to any impartial person.

I haven't read this yet Kirk as I'm about to go out and I'm sure its going to be something I want to respond to but I just wanted to thank you for bothering to write a long response.

Later folks.

Well said Kirk! We need good quality landlords like you and cannot forget that landlords have bills to pay as well and would be walked over by many if given half the chance.

I also agree that Corbyn’ policies will do untold damage to the Labour Party in the long-term. Such a shame that lack of experience will likely cause many to live to regret their decisions. Lessons learned the hard way like so many before them.