Jon Venables 5th new ID
 

Do you agree yay or nay,
One of James Bulgers killers is probably going to get a 5th new identity which to date will cost us 5 million pounds, James dad wants his identity revealed, his mom doesn't,imo he should NOT get one ,he should NOT be released ever again, he is a danger to society,but I can see that Denise does not want innocent people targeted,but given he himself has given his true identity can he be trusted with a new one? If the powers that be want to keep him safe,keep him where he is and throw away the key.

Completely WRONG, how after 5 times could anyone still think he is capable of being rehabilitated?

It's the justic system I'm afraid.

it is beyond comprehension that they are still pandering to this vile creatures requests. He shouldn't be allowed to roam free in our society.

what a joke

As with the Parole Board, the faceless bureaucrats who make these insane and OFFENSIVE decisions should be publicly named.

SOMEONE is personally ensuring that this vilest of murderers is protected because this decision has NOTHING to do with 'Justice' or the 'System' and if it HAD, then famous 'Celebrity' paedophiles such as Rolf Harris would be given plastic surgery and new identities upon release, but THEY are NOT, and as depraved as their crimes undoubtedly are, THEY have not also committed the sickeningly inhuman torture and slaughter of a tiny toddler as this bastard Venables has.

Even those found guilty of the most minor (for want of a more suitable word) sexual crimes against children have their identities revealed and are placed upon the 'Sexual Offenders Register' and yet this detestable smirking killer paedophile is shielded.

There is also, a HUGE potential tragedy waiting to manifest itself with any decision to hide Venables identity once again and it is a surprise that it has not already happened:

What happens when some INNOCENT man somewhere becomes the target of a 'Whispering' campaign where someone WRONGLY suspects that he is Venables?

Shall we see some such innocent murdered, beaten or burnt to death by one or two vigilantes ALL because of some 'Bleeding-Heart's' desire to keep Venables safe?

The sooner Venables is dead the better - in my opinion.

At this point, Venables shouldn't be allowed out unsupervised at all. If he has served all of his various criminal sentences, he should be in a secure psychiatric unit, because at this point (having been in and out so many times and clearly NOT able to stop offending) he is quite clearly unstable and a danger to others. He is criminally insane and can't control his impulses... he doesn't necesarily need to be in a prison if his sentences are served, but he clearly does need to be monitored 24/7.

I was reading this earlier...

The father makes a good point about venebles re offending and i tend to agree that because he has, he should now be stripped of all anonimity.

Not fair, 5 chances?

Exactly this, he isn't a 10 year old anymore so the law should stop treating him like he is still that 10 year old all those years ago.

Yes one caller on Ch5HD Live
named he was in a Welsh prison.


His call was Cut
due to legal problems of getting anyone to find him etc

They're wasting their time. He will never change.

We have a justice system that is rightly geared towards rehabilitation and reintegration rather than the death penalty or just locking people away until they die.

Because of the high profile and abhorrent nature of the initial offence, emotions are always understandably high, but yes, it is actually the correct course of action.

If he is released with his true identity, then he wouldn't last 24 hours without being killed. and a society that looks away while vigilante or mob justice is dished out (regardless of whether he deserves it or not), is not healthy society.

So you would see him released and put our children in danger,I think most of us know what a farce the judicial system is, this vermin has been given 5 chances,yes 5,costing us millions,he has admitted to having certain 'urges'so much so he brought a manual that teaches how to rape young children !!!so he hasn't been rehabilitated and I doubt ever will be,and what happens should he get drunk again one night and blows his latest cover? Shame really the death penalty is still not here,it could have saved a whole lot of money and heartache.

It's not a case of what I would or wouldn't see happen. If he is due to be released, then yes, our society has a responsibility to not send him to be murdered by other citizens.

I get what you're saying, I genuinely do, but I'd rather have our justice system that offers the chances for rehabilitation, than a justice system that murders it's own citizens.

Cost is also not the issue; he was handed a sentence that he has now fulfilled, so in the eyes of the law he has served his punishment. We can argue the merits of the amount of time he was/should be imprisoned for, but tht again, is a side issue.

Absolute joke, he should be locked up for good. He's had chance upon chance and proved he's still a threat.

What will it take? Him to kill/abuse another child before he's finally put away? Disgusting.

It’s exactly that kind of Woolley-headed thinking that helps create the high crime rates and increasing number of innocent victims. If people know they are in for a relative easy time if caught they are more likely to take the risk of offending. That’s not my idea of a healthy society!

If a ten year old child cant be rehabilitated after 10 odd years if rehabilitation then its time to send him to broadmoor as someone else said..

Ive always said that prison in the uk is a better way if life than the life some illigal immigrants have desperatly had to escape from...therefore, committing crime once here, has hardly any downside!

That's just facile; people will commit crimes regardless of the penalties. You can either choose to accept that fact or not, but it doesn't change anything because you act tough on the internet.

I doubt a bank robber in the uk would go robbing if the punishment was death...but then again the hatton mob basically did..

The punishments need to be more severe, **** human rights...the criminals dont care about them.

Think of the worst places to be in prison in the world, now realise those places are full of criminals who've committed serious crimes.

Are we now holding up the morality of criminals to dictate what our society should be like? The fact that we do (or should) care about human rights is what separates most of us from the criminals.

Believing we should prioritise the rights of future victims, including children, over those of the monsters that commit such crimes has nothing to do with ‘acting tough on the internet’.

Too much focus and concern is spent worrying about the rights of the perpetrators and not enough on the victims - and is not representative of a ‘caring society’. Victims first!!!

This person is no longer a child and I think the first time he reoffended he should have lost his right to be anonymous. People have a right to know who their children are living next door to, particularly if he commited torture, sexual assault and murder at ten years old.

The other one hasn't reoffended and can keep his anonymity.

Its about time more thought was given to the victims human rights instead of focusing on the criminals...im all for human rights for people who deserve it..but the minute you disrespect anothers for your own gain or pleasure then why should the world suddenly revolve around you?

I'm pretty sure he is not going to be just sent out to live next to a playground and forgotten about. It's not even about about his rights - he has fulfilled his debt to society as deemed fit by the courts. That's not my punishment (which would have been harsher), or your punishment, or even the punishment of his victim, but by the law.

We either have a rule of law or we don't, but when you talk about "future victims", then we're heading into thought crime territory.

I genuinely have no idea what the best thing to do is, however, if he is being released he shouldn't be released to be murdered.

Hypothetical for you; we release him with his true identity, and within 5 hours he's murdered by Dave Smith (apologies if anyone on the forum is called Dave Smith). What happens to Dave Smith?

Nothing, it wouldn't have happened cause he wouldn't have been released due to loss of his human rights.

So which crime is he being locked away for the entirety of his life for committing?

Anything that would require a new ID if they were to be released.

Again, that's just facile and you must know how easily anyone could pick apart that as an argument?

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I did read somewhere that within five years of abolishing hanging in the UK the amount of murders doubled.

There is no complexity of the issue as far as im concerned..

He gets a medal and hero worshipped, he may do time and be prepared for it,he will not be hated that's for sure.

I’ve always been a fan of the UK justice system... Imagine the sort of crimes Venables (or any other psycho) would commit if they knew they’re about to receive a death penalty anyway.

Why are there so many mass-shootings in America? Imo, because, you murder one guy -you’re in jail for life, you murder ten guys, and they’ll give you ten life sentences. Its dumb, and the criminals know this. You kill one guy in America, you might as well kill another 50, and its terrifying that this is logical.

Venables has served his punishment. Maybe I’m being thick, but isnt changing his identity just giving him a new name and passport? That seems best for everybody, considering that Kaz has basically just glorified a future potential murderer :umm2:

Edit: surely he’s not allowed a passport. Is this just about him being called Billy instead of Jon?

Just put him down like the dog he is at this point.

Even the children he was planning to groom/abuse using his (as the police called it) "Paedo Handbook/Manual" when he was caught this last time?

Agreed Jonni,some people seem to have no thought for the victims of this vile scumbag.but gladly it is only a few,:wavey:

I dunno I think quite a lot of people would appreciate the right to know if they were interacting with a child murdering peadophile, sadly his rights seem to be more important than that of the general publics.