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Niamh. 05-07-2018 03:33 PM

Should Dog Owners be allowed to punish their dogs
 
By hitting them? :think:

Lets see how this goes parmnion

Denver 05-07-2018 03:35 PM

No animals are more likely to learn and font usually follow a group of bad dogs

Crimson Dynamo 05-07-2018 03:41 PM

Boy dogs, big ones need to know who is boss

yes

any dog that steps out of line and bares there teeth will get a thump from me. end of

Niamh. 05-07-2018 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10072952)
No animals are more likely to learn and font usually follow a group of bad dogs

Interesting

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10072958)
Boy dogs, big ones need to know who is boss

yes

any dog that steps out of line and bares there teeth will get a thump from me. end of

Atleast you're consistent :laugh:

Crimson Dynamo 05-07-2018 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10072963)
Interesting



Atleast you're consistent :laugh:

Neem i have seen too many owners where the fecking dog thinks its the boss of the house

"oh dont move him from the sofa he can get quite snappy"

i mean wtaf? :conf:

Niamh. 05-07-2018 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10072971)
Neem i have seen too many owners where the fecking dog thinks its the boss of the house

"oh dont move him from the sofa he can get quite snappy"

i mean wtaf? :conf:

Oh no I hate that actually but a raised voice always does the trick with Pips also she's not allowed on the couch

AnnieK 05-07-2018 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10072971)
Neem i have seen too many owners where the fecking dog thinks its the boss of the house

"oh dont move him from the sofa he can get quite snappy"

i mean wtaf? :conf:

My vet told me (when I had a large breed dog) that smacking does no good anyway. You have to make them think you are the pack leader by making yourself big and loud....and more dominant than them.

I agree though, some dog owners baby dogs far too much, makes me cringe.

Shaun 05-07-2018 04:03 PM

I would tap my dog on the nose if he tried to steal my food, little bugger. (Which is basically what I said for the child thread, an occasional smacked bum is fine, just obviously not... a punch or throwing things at them or etc. :p)

Twosugars 05-07-2018 04:07 PM

never, hitting dogs is stupid and cruel

I've had big dogs all my life and never ever hit them
asserting dominance if needed can be done in other ways
it's just ****ing lazy to think you need to hit your dog

Amy Jade 05-07-2018 04:08 PM

I think if the dog is being unruly and is not responding to other methods then a light smack is fine.

Crimson Dynamo 05-07-2018 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10073002)
never, hitting dogs is stupid and cruel

I've had big dogs all my life and never ever hit them
asserting dominance if needed can be done in other ways
it's just ****ing lazy to think you need to hit your dog

you sound like the type of owner who sits on the carpet and eats his tea whilst the dog snoozes on the best chair

Niamh. 05-07-2018 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10073014)
you sound like the type of owner who sits on the carpet and eats his tea whilst the dog snoozes on the best chair

:laugh:

Twosugars 05-07-2018 04:15 PM

have you ever seen Cesar Milan or Victoria Stilwell hitting dogs? or any other reputable trainer on tv advocating hitting dogs?
A light tap fine when needed but dominance should never be asserted with violence, you need to be an assertive owner that sets rules with firmness and rewards, not hitting
jfc

Crimson Dynamo 05-07-2018 04:17 PM

I wonder what the "no i sit my dog down and explain " posters" would do if they were out for a walk and another dog started attacking their dog?


I expect the rule book goes oot the window as they come out swinging and kicking?

Twosugars 05-07-2018 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10073014)
you sound like the type of owner who sits on the carpet and eats his tea whilst the dog snoozes on the best chair

and you are ignorant
quits?

I was always top dog with my dogs and never had to hit them
I'm sorry if you hit yours, cleary you don't know how to work with dogs
maybe someone should give you Milan's series on dvd for christmas?

Niamh. 05-07-2018 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10073016)
have you ever seen Cesar Milan or Victoria Stilwell hitting dogs? or any other reputable trainer on tv advocating hitting dogs?
A light tap fine when needed but dominance should never be asserted with violence, you need to be an assertive owner that sets rules with firmness and rewards, not hitting
jfc

I love Cesar Milans shows but apparently his methods have been criticised by alot of dog experts

Beso 05-07-2018 04:18 PM

Bite them back if they bite you.

Twosugars 05-07-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10073020)
I love Cesar Milans shows but apparently his methods have been criticised by alot of dog experts

I know, but I don't see the problem they describe
he's a traditionalist, but even he wouldn't hit his dogs

Niamh. 05-07-2018 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10073022)
I know, but I don't see the problem they describe
he's a traditionalist, but even he wouldn't hit his dogs

I still love him anyway aswell :laugh:

Crimson Dynamo 05-07-2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10073019)
and you are ignorant
quits?

I was always top dog with my dogs and never had to hit them
I'm sorry if you hit yours, cleary you don't know how to work with dogs
maybe someone should give you Milan's series on dvd for christmas?

I have had dogs longer than you have had hot dinners and i dot need a tv programme to tell me how to look after them

Crimson Dynamo 05-07-2018 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10073022)
I know, but I don't see the problem they describe
he's a traditionalist, but even he wouldn't hit his dogs

not on tv no

but you have no idea what he does in his home

Beso 05-07-2018 04:23 PM

Cesar milan sounds like a crufts show dog.

Kizzy 05-07-2018 04:25 PM

I'd say dog attacks are due to mistreatment definitely :(

Twosugars 05-07-2018 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10073028)
not on tv no

but you have no idea what he does in his home

but of course you do

Crimson Dynamo 05-07-2018 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10073035)
but of course you do

no and i would not be so silly as to claim to...

Twosugars 05-07-2018 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10073027)
I have had dogs longer than you have had hot dinners and i dot need a tv programme to tell me how to look after them

maybe you do if you think you need to hit them to make them obey you

and don't make stupid statements that my dogs ruled me
I don't have sense of humour when it comes to my dogs or dog cruelty so back off with your "funny" baiting
there's a whole world of behaviour modification between spoiled dogs and dogs that "need" to be hit, something all owners should now
there's no need for either extreme

Nicky91 05-07-2018 04:44 PM

no, and i'm against every type of animal abuse

Kizzy 05-07-2018 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10073021)
Bite them back if they bite you.

That only works on puppies to mimic mummy dog... try it on a stray and you might find that's bogus advice.

chuff me dizzy 05-07-2018 04:54 PM

Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

Twosugars 05-07-2018 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10073067)
Its the owners who deserve the slap not the dogs !! Owners who think you should fall in love with their mutt ,Owners who dress the poor thing in a dickie bow thinking it looks good ,when it actually looks stupid, owners who spend more on clothes for the dog than they do their kids ,owners who think its fine to let their dog shed its entire fur over your black jeans, owners who dont clean the dog **** up from the pavements .... No the dogs dont deserve a slap .....the owners do

It's a rare moment when we totally agree
Dogs should be allowed to be dogs not toys or pretend children

Beso 05-07-2018 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10073062)
That only works on puppies to mimic mummy dog... try it on a stray and you might find that's bogus advice.

I wouldnt bite a stray dog....yuck..mangy diseased displaced unwanted filthy beasts.


A nice labrador puppy though...mmmmm...yum yum.

chuff me dizzy 05-07-2018 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10073078)
It's a rare moment when we totally agree
Dogs should be allowed to be dogs not toys or pretend children

Its pathetic ,really it is

Twosugars 05-07-2018 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10073087)
Its pathetic ,really it is

Embarrassing for the dog and telling of the owner

Matthew. 05-07-2018 05:11 PM

don’t hit your dog ffs, think it’s standard that people do not do this

Beso 05-07-2018 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew. (Post 10073099)
don’t hit your dog ffs, think it’s standard that people do not do this

Yeah, take it out on the kids instead.

chuff me dizzy 05-07-2018 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10073098)
Embarrassing for the dog and telling of the owner

My sister in law cuddles hers from coming in from work to going to work again the following day, it sleeps with her, it even goes in the bloody bath with her, its got its own dog pushchair for when it rains ,she kisses it on its lips, shares food with it passed from her mouth this dog has just licked its arse and old man clean ffs ,she calls it her baby ,its NOT your baby its a D O G

Alf 05-07-2018 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10073014)
you sound like the type of owner who sits on the carpet and eats his tea whilst the dog snoozes on the best chair

:laugh:

user104658 05-07-2018 05:21 PM

It's legit worrying that some people think hitting a "big dog" is a good idea :umm2:. Keep it away from children because all you're doing is creating a big aggressive dog. The reason it doesn't bite back at the person doing the hitting is that it thinks that person is above them in the pecking order. And it thinks that the thing to do to anyone below them in the pecking order, is hurt them to assert themself.

In other words; it's going to lash out at other animals, other humans, and especially kids. Well done.

Despite people thinking that dogs are "super smart" - they are not. What they are is easily trained, because they are NOT all that smart, dog psychology is really very basic and all you have to do to assert yourself as your dog's pack leader is act like it. Stand over it, use a strong voice, always GIVE it food (never allow it to TAKE food from you) et voila. No hitting required.

Dogs are susceptible to pavlovian response; action = reward. They have no concept of negative consequence. They have literally no idea why they're being hit, and don't attach the "punishment" to the specific act that you're punishing them for, they just think you're randomly hitting them to gain submission.

Beso 05-07-2018 05:27 PM

How do police train their dogs?

chuff me dizzy 05-07-2018 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10073116)
How do police train their dogs?

By rewarding them ,I watched a documentary on it very interesting


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