USA: Policewoman entered wrong flat and shot black neighbour dead
 

[The policewoman thought she was walking into her own home, and mistook her neighbour for an intruder.]


This is terrible
how the Hell can she not know
she was in the Wrong home?

https://e3.365dm.com/18/09/1096x616/...20180908145401
Never live next door to a Stressed Female USA Cop
in Dallas.


[Police intend to charge the woman with manslaughter, and she has been placed on leave in the meantime.]


https://news.sky.com/story/policewom...s-say-11493274

:(

How the hell did she mess that up asdffg

Disgusting, hopefully she gets a long sentence for being so trigger happy.

The other question, how was she able to enter an apartment she didn't have the key for? The family said it was obvious on the inside that things were different as well... so weird.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/07...olice-say.html

:facepalm:

(Edit) Not face-palming the man for leaving his door unlocked as that is not enough to justify this... but rather that other people apparently leave their doors unlocked as well... What???.. I can understand if it were a house in some rural area, but it was an apartment... in Dallas.

Pathetic. Manslaughter? She murdered the poor man in cold blood!

Also, he was her neighbour? How did she not recognise him?

And what on earth was he doing that she thought she would need to shoot him immediately before speaking?

****ing dangerous woman who needs locking up.

I don't believe it was a mistake. I reckon it was murder and intentional.

Yeah, I'm sure there's more to it

Cold blood? Maybe, but if it was self-defense, that wouldn't be the case...the circumstances centering around this very sketchy though so I think this won't go away without some answers... they did drug/alcohol testing as well... we have accidents happen in the US, unfortunately, but this is the strangest one I'd ever come across...

I've never heard of anyone ever walking into the wrong apartment, but it's possible. I'm forgetful though, have been on medications before that made me even more clutzy and woo woo and it's usually the more mundane stuff I will forget... but I never forgot where I lived... walked to the wrong building maybe if I were a newer resident... but with a doorway, it's usually displaced in some manner that you can tell, well it's the 2 door down from X ... next to fire extinguisher... not tucked away into a corner... by the stairs, etc...

It clearly was not self defence, she entered HIS home!

She didn't just enter the wrong apartment but shot the man dead on sight.

It can be quite easy I imagine, if you're tired or not concentrating properly to enter the wrong apartment if the door is open. But to shoot the first person you see? No. Definitely more to that.

Long day at work.

Seems even though at her home or near it
she was not expecting anyone in her flat,
so she shot him fast - thinking he broke in?
She was sill in Alert Police Mode

silly cow

Americans I think tend to be more paranoid or at least awkward about our surroundings I think... so that's one... we also don't tend to like to be forced into small talk with folk we don't know we will get on with. So I think our social lives are a bit insular, at worst, anti-social than it used to be...

I've lived in 'burbs and apartments where no one says hi to each other or even hangs around outside their door or on their patio... super paranoid and it was like that in the shops as well... saying hello to people seemed to inconvenience others... though Texas is not generally that because we're more outgoing, so that's a bit odd to me as well, Marsh.

Though... consider the policewoman may have been doing a lot of shift work. Especially if she was a "newboot" and hasn't been in long enough to change to other positions or bid for better hours, then it's likely she was on the late shift... so she will more than likely be coming and going at odd hours. If she's working an EJ (extra job) for extra money which is super common, then she may rarely be home as it is... so it's not unusual if the resident is law enforcement that neighbors will almost never see them... we know a lot of folk and a vast majority work late shift, particularly if it's in the city... we have a neighbor who we see their car, but I have seen them once and I've lived here 3-4 years...

If the folk who live there are saying the opposite though and these two have mingled, then that would be a major red flag for me... it's possible though they were a newer resident as well and just didn't know their surroundings well enough yet... or maybe that was her first time coming home at night possible if you work during the day and get off 6-7... our nights run very late here in Texas, sometimes to 9-10 around summer solstice... but police here do a lot of night shift work, so that wouldn't be common I think... especially in the city...

I will say though, some peace officers don't like to mingle too much with total strangers, especially if they are in an apartment and identifiable. There is retaliation with that job and my husband had "run ins" of his own...(Edit) I forgot to mention as well, also because people will harass them frequently to come handle their ticket or personal drama :smug:... unfortunately some aspects of that work can make some individuals a bit cautious towards strangers. That won't ever change as it's habits that all peace officers develop over time just from what they look out for and be conscious of as part of their work...

Yeah none of it makes any sense. My husband can be jumpy, but not nearly anything like that. Like when in restaurants, etc, he has a bit more anxiety if we sit somewhere where he can't see the doors, doesn't like his back towards total strangers when sitting to eat... all his coworkers/friends outside of work are the same and it's an unspoken rule... we have people in the cities here they will come in and rob at gun-point and kill attendants, so that happens... but the reason for his seating arrangement, they are always trained to not leave their back exposed to inmates, suspects, etc... in fact, altercations have happened to newer recruits who didn't do that in a detention's setting so he's quick to correct newer people on it... in the police academy, they were required by their drill sgts to reverse-park into their parking spot so that the front is facing out for security but also respect (they would go to the parking lot and perform drills, etc) ... anyway, it's been said that it just feels wrong to not park as such after it's been ingrained so long... I won't let him park my car that way though :smug:... but he's always been a reverse-parking kind of guy...

we need all the facts before we reach for the picthforks

what do you mean "more facts" she went into an apartment that wasn't hers and shoot her neighbor without question

I'm not expecting her to invite him in for a sleepover.

I don't really socialise with my neighbours, but I recognise them when I see them.

I also know what living room is mine and what is someone else's. :joker:

Stupid bitch

My god. Does he not have therapy or anything to help with the anxiety?

That must be so frustrating to be like that in public.

if she entered the wrong apartment, she clearly committed a crime in killing the resident. The only question should be the extent of her crime, and that cant be judged from a media report

It's expected with the work. :shrug: I just have to make sure to give him some daily therapy at home. :spin: But in serious-ness, we're quite conscious of it and how far we let the work seep into our lives and that anxieties are talking about/addressed... they do give ample comp time, personal time, family time (for family issues, medical, etc)... he could take off a whole month and then some from comp for pretty much any reason... our benefits are also excellent so that helps... he's debating scheduling some Acupuncture appts to help with stress, to decomp...

But yeah, that's part of why divorce rate is so high for police work... and suicide... but the Catch-22 of therapy with anything law enforcement, military, if it's on record it can affect promotions... which is kind of understandable really, especially in the military... do we really want to send someone who may pop unexpectedly into a dangerous setting and actually have them lead other people?... so yeah, it could be a red flag for promotion... but they actually told him about a program yesterday, it's anonymous and held by the department... he can come in for counseling, family assistance (like helping with home repairs, etc) and other things... so that was great to hear actually because the pressure to perform keeps people from going... people tend to become very close-knit in that work (and the families as well), so yeah... officers will cry on each other's shoulders or talk privately about something bad if necessary... so that does help a lot I think that it is a very supportive community...

We're only speculating at this point... that's fine, it's a forum. :shrug:

I think I haven't stressed enough how dodgy some Americans can be in a normal social setting. :laugh: From everything I've read, relative to our overseas comrades, we seem to be significantly more paranoid about random encounters... we're just so independent, so that's part of it as some people here are really hermetic now (particularly the young), and obviously we compete over everything...

That and the silly gun laws are a terrible match. :omgno:

It won't surprise me if it turns out to be an intentional murder, there's too many things that don't add up to be an accident.

It's another example of a trigger happy police officer killing a black person for basically existing.

**** off with manslaughter/self defence excuse. This was clearly murder.

oh fook off,

these bullsh*t excuses for blatant murder (of black people) needs to stop ffs

Has anyone got the answers to the following?:

What colour is the cop?

If she entered the wrong flat by mistake then one has to presume that the flat door was unlocked.

Because she is a cop, one has to further presume that she left her own flat door locked, so didn't she stop and think upon finding the flat door which she was entering unlocked?

Are ALL the Flats identical on the exterior? I'm talking door styles, the colour of doors.

Were the doors not numbered?

Personally, I think this stinks to High Heaven and the sooner that the facts are published the better.

:facepalm:

so the facts of the case are not necessary to reach a conclusion?

I would call total bull**** - except that when we were at University, me, my (now) wife and FOUR other people got home from a night out, walked into the back garden of her house, found the house locked and the key not working and became enraged that one of her housemates (who she didn't really get one with) had changed the locks.

Except, we were at completely the wrong house.

But wait, it gets weirder.

This house had a large wooden fence that we scaled to get to the back door, her house did not. WE THOUGHT HER HOUSEMATE HAD BUILT A FENCE. We were ****ing furious about it all. Shouting and swearing. Then a neighbour comes out like "excuse me, that's not your house".

It was like a fog lifted and we suddenly realised that it clearly wasn't... Which cued hysterical laughter for a good 20 minutes.

OK yes, we were all pretty drunk, but six of us?? All totally immersed in this delusion. And when we looked at the house the next day, it looked nothing LIKE her house. It had steps leading up to the door and hers didn't! It still creeps me out thinking about it. Temporary, shared, complete ****ing insanity.


... However in THIS case I do kinda call BS and I think there's probably more to the story.

Just saying, I do totally believe its feasible.

:joker::joker::joker: - The emboldened.

I have shared a hallucination with two others back in the early 70's whilst we were all tripping out on LSD but SIX of you pissed? WTF were you all drinking? :wavey:

It's also feasible the keys could've matched both locks... that happens with some of the cheaper locksets... it was known to happen at one of the apartments we lived at...

It happens pretty often with Masterlocks. I had a key for a padlock at my house and it worked for most of the padlocks on our school property ^-^... there's apparently only so much variability between different locksets... so yeah, when I had heard from our maintenance man there had been that problem at our apartment, I completely knew where he was coming from...

Well they did do alcohol/drug testing for a reason... :laugh: Funny how y'all had a collective consciousness/matched intellect for that short bit... might've achieved something really productive there if y'all had had a different kind of conversation... :laugh:

She's been arrested.

Dallas officer Amber Guyger arrested on manslaughter charge in Botham Jean shooting
https://www.khou.com/article/news/lo.../285-592459528

I don't think alcohol is likely involved if she came post-shift in uniform... unless she's got some stored in her car... drinking while in uniform though is a big no-no... she'd still be seen as representing the agency if seen, so subject to their rules of behavior...

As a theory... maybe when she walked in unannounced thinking it was her place, the victim thought SHE was an intruder and ran in shouting aggressively or waving something (as you probably would if a stranger walked into your home) at which point the officer, believing she was in HER home, reacted and pulled her weapon. That could all happen pretty quickly before she had a chance to look around and realise she was in the wrong apartment, if the hallways / external doors etc. all look the same.

I guess it's also relevant to know what had happened on her previous shift, e.g. had there been any aggressive or violent altercations that would have left her on edge / jumpy.