Hardeep vs Sally: Who was in the right?
 

Poll incoming

Hardeep

Honestly I'm neutral about it, both of them extremely overreacted.

Both of them.
Sally shouldn't have been so insensitive, and Hardeep should have not walked away.

Hardeep looks for racism all the time, he sees it to make himself seem superior by putting others in the wrong.

Super sensitive, he mentions white peoples ethnicity just the same they do him but they are in the wrong according to him.

Good riddance misery guts, it is only making him miserable, he is his own worst enemy.

Sally's comment WAS borderline racist. She should have apologised for being insensitive.

She's a bit dim.

So do you think it is acceptable for Sally to make comments about religious clothing and treat it as a toy?

She was unaware it was religious clothing.

He could have explained it and an apology would have been forthcoming. But no, the racist card was played.

She mentioned Sikhs so knew fair well

Sally obvs

Let's flip it:

Imagine they were acting out a 'holiday beach' scene instead and Sally told Gabby 'you look too pale for the part, stick some fake tan on'

It's no more racist than that.

Hardeep

She obviously didn't mean it maliciously but 'why are you so brown?' is such a messy question :skull:

Doesn't mean she knew the turban was for religious reasons.

All it needed was a reasoned explanation.

Context matters.

If you say what is that thing Sikhs wear then you obviously know it is a religious garment

Only watched first section so far but

Sally did say you look to brown

But she went ott when they sat round the table

And maybe hardeep tried to stir it a bit further so...

Both for me.
She wasn't being racist at all but perhaps a little insensitive.
They know Hardeep has a thing re race, and is sensitive to it.

If he was expected to think on all he says then that has to apply to all of them too.

Hardeep was right, Sally is an age 60+ woman she knew fine well what a turban was, she said what she said to either upset Hardeep or to make him kick off

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No sorry ,I usually agree with all you say, but my 9 yr old granddaughter would know what a turban is ,so Sally knew what it was and how symbolic it is to Sikhs

[QUOTE=Adam.;10212341]If you say what is that thing Sikhs wear then you obviously know it is a religious garment[/QUOTE

It sounds as if she didn't know or she would have said the correct words. It was said in the heat of the moment and it was clear she viewed it as a scarf.

How would anyone feel when they have to watch their every word because someone was just waiting to catch them out. As Sally said, it was like walking on glass.

Hardeep has the problem, as Kirstie told him and to his credit he agreed.

Hardeep for sure. If she didn't realise how what she was saying was offensive, she should've allowed for him to explain so she could learn. Instead she played the victim and tried to paint him as some kind of "boy who cried wolf". baggy fanny **** off

And not a tear in sight

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Even if she did, which I don't believe, she wasn't being malicious at all, just throwing out suggestions for the roleplay.

Thoughtless, silly, but not racist, but didn't he jump on it. Even he said he shouldn't have.

To me, Sally was in the wrong here. Her comments did come across as borderline racism. The comment about the turban was cringeworthy. And Sally has made too many comments that imply exactly what Hardeep is suggesting.

I'm not a massive fan of Hardeep, but I do understand him taking offence, and the fact that all the housemates shouted him down when they have not been on the receiving end of racism made it worse.

Having said that, Hardeep could have handled it better but I get the fact that his own experience of life has made him sensitive, and I think he walks away as he doesn't feel he can be heard even when he tries to explain things. I just wish he wouldn't apologise when it should have been Sally apologising.

I do wonder if Sally might have been evicted had this been aired yesterday. It's certainly changed the order that I now want the remaining housemates to be evicted.

She was goading him IMO

No not racist but so disrespectful

That's his problem he does jump and then run ~ he has done it continually in the house and its no surprise they were sick of it ~ stay and talk don't insult and run.

Perhaps so, but I do think she has been on a short fuse with him for a while because of his jibes.

Still, he is gone, the atmosphere has already changed for the better.

Cheers:wavey:

IMO She had more of a problem with him than she had with her, she backstabbed him every chance she got, you never saw Hardeep say anything bad about her ,he admitted to BB they didn't get on, but he didn't do it to anyone in the house to influence nominations

This is probably my answer :clap1:

Sally hissing "He can go **** himself" when H left the room showed which out of the two of them has class.

And she said it just after a simple question by him about her suitcase, I mean what
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She's vile, hen. Bloody vile!

How do you know they haven't been on the receiving end of racism? Do you know them personally?

I don't believe for one moment that, even if she doesn't understand the religious significance of Hardeep's turban, that Sally didn't know what it is called. How can she correctly refer to him as a Sikh- the most obvious sign of identity being the turban- without being able to refer to a turban correctly.......? That just doesn't add up for me.

Even giving her the benefit of the doubt, and assuming she didn't know, to refer to it as that thing he wears on his head was totally disrespectful.

The more I think about Sally and her actions throughout this series, the more I think her comments do have racist undertones, which I think she attempts to mask by pleading innocence.

What does that matter? The important thing is that they know Hardeep has been and Sally still went ahead with her careless generalisations

No one in that house thought Sally was being racist.

Kirstie spoke very clearly to Hardeep about it, explained how the housemates felt about his allegation and he rescinded his remarks.

They were actually there and witnessed it all.

DON'T come for a woman's bunions. :nono:

Obviously not. However, logic would suggest that as white Brits in Britain it is much less likely, and even if they have been for any reason, the degree would be miniscule compared to someone of a different race, colour and religion, like Hardeep.

And, yes, I realise that Ryan has some Indian ancestry, but without being made aware of that, it is not immediately recognisable. And, yes, Kirstie is American, but again she is white, and comes from a country where racism is strongly focused on black people and ethnic minorities.

I think the answers to the questions posed are pretty self explanatory and obvious. History and actual statistics should give us a good indication of the likelihood of the remaining housemates having been victims of racism to the degree that Hardeep would have experienced it.