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Tom4784 26-09-2018 08:04 PM

Fantastic Beasts 2: Backlash as Nagini twist is branded 'racist'
 
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Nagini is a Maledictus, meaning she’s inflicted with a blood curse that lets her transform between human and snake at will - but at some point, as Harry Potter readers and viewers will know, she will become a snake permanently.

Not only that, but by the time the original Harry Potter timeline kicks in, Nagini is essentially Lord Voldemort’s villainous pet - and Horcrux.

The casting of Kim has been labelled “racially insensitive” by some fans; owing to the fact that she’s one of very few Asian women to be cast in a lead role in the franchise - and it’s a character who becomes the villain’s evil pet.

Author Ellen Oh explained on Twitter: “It's okay to love problematic things. I'll be the first to say that the Harry Potter series made me want to write children's books.

“But let's also talk about the problems. This feels like a problem.

“I feel like this is the problem when white people want to diversify and don't actually ask POC [people of colour] how to do so.

“They don't make the connection between making Nagini an Asian woman who later on is the pet of a white man.

“So I'm going to say it right now. That s**t is racist.”

Writer Gavia Baker-Whitelaw posted: “maybe ‘circus performer who turns into a murderous snake’ isn't the best choice of role for one of the two WOC in the franchise.”

And artist Hyein Jeon wrote: “There are only two Asian women in Harry Potter franchise, Cho Chang and now NAGINI?

“Not to mention Cho Chang as an Asian character's name is extremely lazy and funny (It's basically two [surnames] combined) and considering how Cho was used as a character.... This is REALLY BAD.”

Yesterday Kim herself spoke out in an interview about Nagini’s character.
“You’ve only seen her as a Horcrux. In this, she’s a wonderful and vulnerable woman who wants to live,” she told Entertainment Weekly.

“She wants to stay a human being and I think that’s a wonderful contrast to the character.”

Nagini - after long being a full-time snake - is ultimately killed by Neville Longbottom towards the end of the Harry Potter series.

Yesterday's reveal also drew plenty of excitement as the final trailer landed online ahead of the release in two months' time.

The movie stars the likes of Eddie Redmayne, Katherine Waterston, Dan Fogler, Alison Sudol, Ezra Miller, with Jude Law and Johnny Depp.

Zoë Kravitz, Callum Turner, Claudia Kim, William Nadylam, Kevin Guthrie, Carmen Ejogo, and Poppy Corby-Tuech also appear.

Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald is out on November 16.

https://www.express.co.uk/entertainm...of-Grindelwald
A ridiculous outrage for the sake of outrage, hypocritical too since I doubt the likes of Ellen Oh would have spoken out had it been a character of a different ethnicity.

It's just another case of people being outraged without knowing the context (Read: Insatiable) and it only cheapens the cause and weakens it which is annoying in itself since it's these people who desperately want to be outraged that damages the message because they need to lash out and shame people. Pathetic.

Smithy 26-09-2018 08:10 PM

The more of the article I read, the more I was like, am I reading this right? Is this a joke :skull:

Northern Monkey 26-09-2018 08:15 PM

Everything’s ‘problematic’ or ‘racist’ these days

Daniel. 26-09-2018 08:18 PM

So embarrassing

Maru 26-09-2018 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 10252445)
Everything’s ‘problematic’ or ‘racist’ these days

For example, this post is soo problematic :fist:

Spoiler:

Because truth

Elliot 26-09-2018 08:19 PM

What a scream

Lostie! 26-09-2018 08:21 PM

Nagini used to be human??

Oliver_W 26-09-2018 08:22 PM

People will whinge about anything these days..

Though if the transformations are at will, how is it a)different from being a snake Animagus and b)a "curse" ?

Glenn. 26-09-2018 08:26 PM

It’s hilarious and extremely sad

Glenn. 26-09-2018 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10252463)
People will whinge about anything these days..

Though if the transformations are at will, how is it a)different from being a snake Animagus and b)a "curse" ?

It’s a blood curse. Eventually she knows she will be a snake forever.

Northern Monkey 26-09-2018 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Maru (Post 10252457)
For example, this post is soo problematic :fist:

Spoiler:

Because truth

You could find racism in literally anything if you’re looking for it..

Hell you can see unicorns in the clouds if you stare at them long enough

Macie Lightfoot 26-09-2018 08:42 PM

I mean whether or not it's racist or insensitive, it's ****ing stupid and it feels like a hilarious parody or Rowling retcon. Almost as dumb as the entirety of Cursed Child <3

Jordan. 26-09-2018 08:47 PM

The same people outraged over this would have been just as outraged if a white actress was given the role over her so

Macie Lightfoot 26-09-2018 09:25 PM

Also just bc I can't resist


LaLaLand 26-09-2018 09:29 PM

"Reaching" tbh.

AnnieK 26-09-2018 09:32 PM

Good grief.....even Harry Potter is no longer sacred.

Ridiculous reaching......

MB. 26-09-2018 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 10252599)
Also just bc I can't resist


I think my favourite of these is an Onion article in which JK Rowling completely oversteps her mark by announcing that Daenerys from Game of Thrones has Chrohn's disease

Greg! 26-09-2018 09:56 PM

Screaming, the people complaining are an embarrassment to the current generation

Wizard. 26-09-2018 10:02 PM

Umm I’m so outraged that Voldemort didn’t have a nose cause it just doesn’t represent people who’s noses have collapsed because of cocaine abuse and that problematic!

Marsh. 26-09-2018 10:31 PM



:flutter:

Shuts them down so eloquently!

Marsh. 26-09-2018 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10252463)
People will whinge about anything these days..

Though if the transformations are at will, how is it a)different from being a snake Animagus and b)a "curse" ?

It's not at will, it's a slow transformation into a beast. Hence, by the time of the Harry Potter stories Nagini is in snake form only.

It's a curse because you have no control over it and are born with it.

Macie Lightfoot 27-09-2018 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Riley. (Post 10252837)
Umm I’m so outraged that Voldemort didn’t have a nose cause it just doesn’t represent people who’s noses have collapsed because of cocaine abuse and that problematic!

I mean I think it's totally possible to enjoy Harry Potter as a franchise while also recognizing that it's a bunch of straight white cis bull**** and acknowledging that JK Rowling is hilariously awful at this point with her absurd retconning to appeal to the left. Like "Lupin being a werewolf is actually an extended metaphor for the HIV/AIDS" crisis is a laughably stupid point to throw out there in 2016, but then it's also kinda offensive when you're comparing AIDS to a condition where you lose control of your body and start attacking people once a month, and then it's even more offensive when you consider that Greyback was a werewolf and also pretty much a child predator.

Ammi 27-09-2018 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 10252462)
Nagini used to be human??

...u WOT mate..??...

Oliver_W 27-09-2018 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10252947)
It's not at will, it's a slow transformation into a beast. Hence, by the time of the Harry Potter stories Nagini is in snake form only.

It's a curse because you have no control over it and are born with it.

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Nagini is a Maledictus, meaning she’s inflicted with a blood curse that lets her transform between human and snake at will - but at some point, as Harry Potter readers and viewers will know, she will become a snake permanently.

Elliot 27-09-2018 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 10253247)
I mean I think it's totally possible to enjoy Harry Potter as a franchise while also recognizing that it's a bunch of straight white cis bull**** and acknowledging that JK Rowling is hilariously awful at this point with her absurd retconning to appeal to the left. Like "Lupin being a werewolf is actually an extended metaphor for the HIV/AIDS" crisis is a laughably stupid point to throw out there in 2016, but then it's also kinda offensive when you're comparing AIDS to a condition where you lose control of your body and start attacking people once a month, and then it's even more offensive when you consider that Greyback was a werewolf and also pretty much a child predator.

NOT straight white cis bull****

Crimson Dynamo 27-09-2018 08:03 AM

Didnt Snape get fingered in Operation Yewtree?

user104658 27-09-2018 09:57 AM

They'd have kicked off if it was a white female. Or a non-white male. Basically Nagini had to be a white male or else everyone would have kicked off.

Except then they'd have kicked off because they cast another white male. :think:


Then again, it's a ****ing daft twist anyway and everything outside of the main Harry Potter series canon is cash-cow trash.. so...

user104658 27-09-2018 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10253450)
Didnt Snape get fingered in Operation Yewtree?

It was in "The Half-Blood Prince", I think.

Wizard. 27-09-2018 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 10253247)
I mean I think it's totally possible to enjoy Harry Potter as a franchise while also recognizing that it's a bunch of straight white cis bull**** and acknowledging that JK Rowling is hilariously awful at this point with her absurd retconning to appeal to the left. Like "Lupin being a werewolf is actually an extended metaphor for the HIV/AIDS" crisis is a laughably stupid point to throw out there in 2016, but then it's also kinda offensive when you're comparing AIDS to a condition where you lose control of your body and start attacking people once a month, and then it's even more offensive when you consider that Greyback was a werewolf and also pretty much a child predator.

mess did she really say that? :skull:

user104658 27-09-2018 11:34 AM

Rowling is hardly the first person to use Werewolves / Vampires as an STI metaphor, though, so I don't know why the focus is so much on that (well, rather, I do; the huge commercial success and visibility of the series... but she's far from the first).

Aspects of Vampire mythology come ENTIRELY from the fear of sexually transmitted infections such as syphilis / other blood-borne disease.

Oliver_W 27-09-2018 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10253545)
They'd have kicked off if it was a white female. Or a non-white male. Basically Nagini had to be a white male or else everyone would have kicked off.

Except then they'd have kicked off because they cast another white male. :think:

Then again, it's a ****ing daft twist anyway and everything outside of the main Harry Potter series canon is cash-cow trash.. so...


But then they'd whinge it's transphobic, as Nagini is referred to as female in the books.

Glenn. 27-09-2018 02:46 PM

I’ve read Harry Potter start to finish, back to front and never considered Nagini to even be a slave to Voldemort. There was always a fondness towards her and besides, you wouldn’t put a piece of your soul in a servant. People are just moaning for the sake of moaning.

user104658 27-09-2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 10253880)
I’ve read Harry Potter start to finish, back to front and never considered Nagini to even be a slave to Voldemort. There was always a fondness towards her and besides, you wouldn’t put a piece of your soul in a servant. People are just moaning for the sake of moaning.

True; she was the closest thing to an "equal" or "friend" he had (in his mind)... so really, it's a good thing? :think:

JoshBB 27-09-2018 04:35 PM

Absolute idiocy. Seems like a desperate attempt to be fake woke, when actually there's no racism here.

People bang on about representation and when they get it, they moan. Smh

Oliver_W 27-09-2018 05:53 PM


Oh gods, now this mess is sticking her oar in, I think that's a pretty big flag the arguments are just stupid.

Marsh. 27-09-2018 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10253412)
v

The last part answers your question. The difference is her control over it is brief and she will become the beast permanently.

y.winter 27-09-2018 07:56 PM

The Malfoy Family and Voldemort are whiter than white and are the epitome of the Slytherin house - villains, snakes, all of that.
Is this a bloody joke? :facepalm:

Marsh. 27-09-2018 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 10253247)
I mean I think it's totally possible to enjoy Harry Potter as a franchise while also recognizing that it's a bunch of straight white cis bull**** and acknowledging that JK Rowling is hilariously awful at this point with her absurd retconning to appeal to the left. Like "Lupin being a werewolf is actually an extended metaphor for the HIV/AIDS" crisis is a laughably stupid point to throw out there in 2016, but then it's also kinda offensive when you're comparing AIDS to a condition where you lose control of your body and start attacking people once a month, and then it's even more offensive when you consider that Greyback was a werewolf and also pretty much a child predator.

Straight cis white?

The most bullsh*t is coming from people who think every story/series/franchise must have a representative for every bloody person on the planet, which is impossible. No matter what diverse group of people JK chose to write about there would be someone somewhere criticising her for leaving them out, so I guess unless writers can include everyone they should just stop writing.

FYI, you're taking the HIV comparison far too literally. The only comparison that was made was that the blood disease suffered in the universe of the stories creates a stigma around wizards in a similar way to what HIV/AIDs does/did to a person in the real world. And that comparison was first made a long time ago.
To take that and say "Oooh, she's calling AIDS sufferers werewolves" is ridiculous hysteria on your part.

Like the comparisons always drawn between Voldemort and his hatred of Muggles with that of Hitler and the Jews have been around since the books were first released. She's not making a literal comparison.

y.winter 27-09-2018 07:58 PM

Thinking about it, suggesting that it's racist is even more racist.

Marsh. 27-09-2018 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10254191)

I've had to switch off with the bullsh*t comments about Dumbledore at the beginning.

His relationship with Grinelwald isn't addressed in the new movie, because they don't actually share any scenes and their relationship isn't the focal point of the story. BUT it will be in a future instalment. This is only part 2 of a 5 part franchise.

But, hey, don't let that get in the way of people making ridiculously hysterical youtube videos.

Also, "You can have people of colour as villains but you should have people of colour as good people too!" Erm, there are at least two POC protagonists too.

Edit - Also, why is this white woman getting defensive on behalf of Asians?


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