USA government hits partial shutdown after $5bn Wall spending deal fails
 

This was predicted
At least he says its his Shutdown.



[The deal was over funding for President Donald Trump's wall on the
Mexico border, which is staunchly opposed by Democrats.
Without a deal, funding for around 25% of the government
expired at midnight (5am GMT).
Nine cabinet-level departments and dozens of agencies,
including homeland security, transportation, interior,
agriculture, state and justice,
will be affected by the shutdown.
Mr Trump had said any impending shutdown
could last "a very long time" as he blamed Democrats
over the failure to agree a deal on spending.]

https://news.sky.com/story/partial-s...fails-11588566

It's nothing to do with democrats, Arista. Trump said he would be "proud" to shut down the government. He doesn't have the votes to do what he wants.



He was going to sign the agreement until he was criticised on fox news and then he decided to act like a spoilt kid and throw his toys out of the pram.

Essentially ‘Do what I want you to do, or I’ll make millions of people suffer over christmas’ He’s an awful, odious little man.

Yes that that was on every news feed last week, TSR
I said at the top line its Trump admitting to shut it down.

He wants his Wall

He should open his own wallet then

You said "at least he said it's his shutdown", but then said "he blames democrats".

It's purely because a president who doesn't read presidential briefings and only gets his information from fox was criticised by usually fawning hosts that he's willing to do this over Christmas.

I want lots of things, doesn't mean I'd screw over a million people to get them.

He's deluding himself if he thinks anyone will "blame the Democrats" when it comes to the history books... All anyone ever remembers is "who was president when..." and thus, a government shut-down will be remembered as being his own incompetence as a leader. :shrug:

"but then said"

Thats in brackets
so it's From that Link
I posted .


They are not my words

But I thought Mexico were paying?

He is going to sneak a bill into them
later on.


It all gets even worse in a few weeks
as Democrats take over the house

No he isn't. He claimed the new trade agreement would account for it, but trade agreements by their very nature are distributed into the hands of private citizens (who actually have the businesses involved in trading products). why do you take everything he says at face value and without questioning?

I do not.
He is one of a kind

You do, my friend.

Charles Manson was also one of a kind.

CM a Evil kind.

As is DT.

Trump has just said live he has plenty of funds (Via National Emergency)
to build his steel wall.
he cares about crime and drugs getting through the border


Live CNN HD

More tantrums.

Trump cares about nothing but building a lasting monument to himself. He is a narcissist in the winter of his life and he wants to leave something that he believes will last and he doesn't care who he steps on to do it.

A wall won't stop illegal immigration and considering that the wall is just a vanity project which is using his base's extreme elements and their inherent racism towards mexicans to fuel it. It's an expensive waste of money to fuel Trump's ego and it saddens me that so many republicans are willing to lick his arse over it when there should be a bypartisan rage over his actions. He is ****ing over republican and democratic workers alike and the lack of condemnation from the republicans is grotesque.

tantrum is understatement he just walked away from that conversation with Chuck and Nancy

a waste of time he called it

Yes he wants a deal
but will do it via
a National Emergency funding. (he says many sources for that)

Then all those workers can get back to their jobs

Yes we should get that edition Tonight or Tomorrow
on Our ComedyHD Daily Show

Do you think it's ok if a leader of a democracy suddenly calls for emergency powers because he doesn't get his own way after being told off by Anne coulter and sean hannity?

People wonder how the germans fell for Hitler, and here we have good dudes like you, saying nothing when he floats things like this. I'm not comparing trump to hitler before anyone starts crying.

Over 3 weeks of shutdown and absolutely no change to people's life's. It makes you wonder what all these government departments actually do.

Apart from the people that aren't being paid, of course?

You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.

That's ok then. No doubt as government employees they're already on 200k/yr so missing payments won't be an issue for them.

Government contractors won't actually get any back pay because they're not permanently employed by anyone. Still, at least Trumps cabinet just got a 10% raise.

I didn't realise you were a multi-millionaire Alf who's never had to worry about anything financially related in his life.

I didn't know you moved to America and can give us this first hand account. Or wait... it couldn't be you just repeating what the Republican news wants everyone to believe :think:

I thought you was Canadian?

So what has changed for the American people during this shutdown?

That's my point. You and I have no idea how its affecting the daily lives of people in the US. For you to make a blanket statement implying it has no impact would be like me saying "oh look the Brexit vote happened and nothing has changed" when clearly I'm not able to judge that

like the airport security staff currently working with out pay or the park attendants .... or the coast guard ... told to hold garage sales to supplement their income .... or border security forces ... yes border security is currently not being paid ... all thanks to Mr Trump

Well it:s not all down to Mr Trump is it? What about those Democrats who still haven't accepted him as their President and are taking their tantrum out on the American people?

'm fairly certain the Democrats have always called for a wall, but for some reason they want to block it whileTrump is in office. It's not business, it's personal.

Pretty much everything you've said there is wrong. Democrats, republicans, and the president agreed a deal before this started, then Trump was criticised by Anne Coulter and Sean Hannity so he threw a temper tantrum and reneged on the deal that was already agreed. The shutdown started when republicans held all 3 branches of government, but not even republicans would all vote for an ineffective and costly wall.

Democrats have never been the party of the wall, but some have agreed with it in certain difficult areas. Trump was provided funding for border security in the last budget that still sits untouched, and now because of right wing media he wants more.

Lol

He is Democratic

Alf, Pretty much everything you've said in this topic is just factually wrong.

The reason why nothing is changed when it comes to infrastructure is because people who work in vital services are now working without pay while others are on unpaid leave (People who sustain and look after the national parks etc). To make out that the people affected aren't important or even to demonise the unpaid workers by suggesting their 'making jobs for themselves' is a ****ing lie. I hate people spreading misinformation to further their cause and that's exactly what you are embracing. Falsities.

As for you blaming the Democrats. I don't care what your political leaning is, you can't look at this situation objectively with all the fact checking that's out there and say that this situation is anyone else's fault but Trump's. He himself said that he would shut down the government and he was proud to do it and that he would 'take the mantle' and that he wouldn't blame democrats.


(1.30 for him taking responsibility for any potential government shutdowns)

He can't keep his story straight and this shutdown is purely his fault. Blaming Democrats for not wanting to piss away $5bn on a vanity project is not reasonable or logical and holding 800,000 people's wages hostage to get his way is just pathetic and inexcusable. Why should the US throw that money away just to appease Trump when it's needed elsewhere? Why should the US people pay for a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for?

Objectively, he is in the wrong and defending him is just foolish. He's in the wrong and this situation is one of his own making. To deny that is to cover your eyes to the truth.

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