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Tom4784 12-01-2019 02:45 PM

'Blocking Brexit could cause far-right surge'
 
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Blocking Brexit could lead to a surge in far-right extremism in the UK, a cabinet minister has said.

Transport Secretary Chris Grayling told the Daily Mail that not leaving the EU would cause the 17 million people who voted for Brexit to feel "cheated".

This could end centuries of "moderate" politics in the UK, he said, as he urged his colleagues to back Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit deal.

A vote on the agreement takes place in the Commons on Tuesday.

MPs are widely expected to reject the deal, negotiated between the EU and UK, with more than 100 Conservative MPs among those opposing it.

Some ministers have warned the UK faces Brexit "paralysis" if this happens.

'Nastiness in politics'
Just days before the critical vote, Mr Grayling, who campaigned to leave the EU, told the Daily Mail there would be a "different tone" in British politics if the UK failed to leave the EU, and predicted a "less tolerant society" and a "more nationalistic nation".

"It will open the door to extremist populist political forces in this country of the kind we see in other countries in Europe," Mr Grayling told the paper.

"If MPs who represent seats that voted 70% to leave say 'sorry guys, we're still going to have freedom of movement', they will turn against the political mainstream," he added.

"There's already a nastiness and unpleasantness in our politics, more people with extreme views, more people willing to behave in an uncivilised way," he said.

Lord Hattersley, a former deputy Labour Party leader, dismissed Mr Grayling's comments, saying not many would regard him as "an expert in these matters".

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that he did not believe a general election - which Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has pushed for - would happen.

Lord Hattersley, a minister in the Wilson and Callaghan governments, called for another referendum, saying the party had to risk losing the support of Labour supporters who voted to leave the EU in order to do the "right" thing.Mr Grayling's intervention comes after his Conservative colleagues warned about the possibility of the UK leaving the EU with no deal.

Northern Ireland Secretary Karen Bradley said a no-deal exit would create a "feeling of unrest".

Tory rebel Dominic Grieve, who tabled the amendment that led to a second government defeat on Brexit last week, urged the prime minister to delay Brexit if her EU deal was rejected by MPs.

Mr Grieve is among a group of MPs calling for another referendum.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46847169
I think it's inevitable, right wing terrorism is on the rise and I don't think extreme elements will be happy no matter what happens. If Brexit gets overturned in another referendum, the extreme right will spill blood.

Still, we can't let violence dictate the course. If people aren't happy with the deal and don't want a no deal solution than the only choice is another referendum.

Smithy 12-01-2019 03:07 PM

No surprise, the far right are more of a threat to the UK now than any other perceived terrorism :bored:

Crimson Dynamo 12-01-2019 03:13 PM

bwahahaha

so Chris Grayling said it and its fact


lol

Alf 12-01-2019 03:15 PM

And remember those mobs who protested Trump coming to the UK = not extreme

Those who confronted JRM and his children at his home = not extreme

Those protesters stopping Anne Marie Waters from attending the hustings = not extreme

People trying to overturn the result of the referendum getting protested = extreme

Alf 12-01-2019 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10404784)
No surprise, the far right are more of a threat to the UK now than any other perceived terrorism :bored:

They'll be blowing up innocent children at pop concerts next, won't they?

arista 12-01-2019 03:23 PM

One MP's view.

It will not be blocked

Withano 12-01-2019 03:25 PM

Probably. The furthest of right wing people are so easily triggered that aboloshing a terrible idea will even set them off.

Alf 12-01-2019 03:26 PM

Nothing will happen if the government do their jobs correctly. Only they have the power to cause any unrest.

Nicky91 12-01-2019 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404799)
Nothing will happen if the government do their jobs correctly. Only they have the power to cause any unrest.

if we had fair politics yes, but these brexiteers mostly the conservatives are more interested in their own financial gain


a honest, fair brexit could work yep, with genuine desire from all sides for independence from the EU but that will never happen so this brexit was doomed to be a huge mess from the start

Alf 12-01-2019 03:31 PM

When we leave with no deal, and the remainers kick off, it will not be extreme, if the result of the referendum is sabotaged, and the leavers kick off, then that will be extreme. But I'm not partizan, honestly!

Nicky91 12-01-2019 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404802)
When we leave with no deal, and the remainers kick off, it will not be extreme, if the result of the referendum is sabotaged, and the leavers kick off, then that will be extreme. But I'm not partizan, honestly!

i'm sure now that a no deal brexit won't be as bad as some might think, but this is me more hoping for a peaceful and calm departure out of EU from you guys

it shouldn't need to be a reason for chaos in UK, after 29th March there should be some work done to make UK a better country

Withano 12-01-2019 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404802)
When we leave with no deal, and the remainers kick off, it will not be extreme, if the result of the referendum is sabotaged, and the leavers kick off, then that will be extreme. But I'm not partizan, honestly!

Would depend entirely on how they “kick off”. Lets not kid ourselves, one group often opt for peaceful protests whilst the others tend to go down the riot route though lols.

Alf 12-01-2019 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 10404816)
Would depend entirely on how they “kick off”. Lets not kid ourselves, one group often opt for peaceful protests whilst the others tend to go down the riot route though lols.

Do I have to post videos of violent left wing protests to prove you wrong? Or are you gonna admit that your not being truthful?

lime 12-01-2019 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404802)
When we leave with no deal, and the remainers kick off, it will not be extreme, if the result of the referendum is sabotaged, and the leavers kick off, then that will be extreme. But I'm not partizan, honestly!

Make no mistake....It's a no deal from us and your goverment So lets move on
We are prepaired ..Are you ??

Withano 12-01-2019 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404821)
Do I have to post videos of violent left wing protests to prove you wrong? Or are you gonna admit that your not being truthful?

“Often opt”

“Tend to”

There are exceptions obvs. Its interesting that you missed those bits out when you read my posts. Almost like you’re getting defensive of these far right types :suspect:

Crimson Dynamo 12-01-2019 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 10404798)
Probably. The furthest of right wing people are so easily triggered that aboloshing a terrible idea will even set them off.

ideally if you had nailed the spelling of abolishing it would have worked much better

Alf 12-01-2019 03:52 PM

I can only think that globalist European leaders and the controlled media are pushing for war. France is on the brink right now.

Beso 12-01-2019 03:59 PM

Here for it tbh.

lime 12-01-2019 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404839)
I can only think that globalist European leaders and the controlled media are pushing for war. France is on the brink right now.

lol france is not on the brink of war..

how many french do you know??
As much as Steve Bannoon and Nigel Farage tour our European countries trying do Putins job....We are not going to take a Knee to putin

lime 12-01-2019 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10404843)
Here for it tbh.

here for what may I ask?

lime 12-01-2019 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404839)
I can only think that globalist European leaders and the controlled media are pushing for war. France is on the brink right now.

are you really Alex Jones?

Alf 12-01-2019 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lime (Post 10404858)
lol france is not on the brink of war..

how many french do you know??
As much as Steve Bannoon and Nigel Farage tour our European countries trying do Putins job....We are not going to take a Knee to putin

If I show proof of civil unrest in France right now, will you show me proof that Putin is pulling all the strings?

Twosugars 12-01-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lime (Post 10404858)
lol france is not on the brink of war..

how many french do you know??
As much as Steve Bannoon and Nigel Farage tour our European countries trying do Putins job....We are not going to take a Knee to putin

true

Russia's used to sponsoring disruptive movements in Europe and the world.
They used to finance communist parties and peace movement in the past.
Wonder, how many current anti-EU outfits and parties get help from Kremlin :think:
Afaik, Aaron Banks still hasn't accounted for the multi-million loan to the leave campaign...?

lime 12-01-2019 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404864)
If I show proof of civil unrest in France right now, will you show me proof that Puton is pulling all the strings?

No denying their is civil unrest .Me personally have no problem with peacefull protest..The vast majority of French are more than vexed with those who rip up their streert s..

Putin doesnt need to show personally how he pulls strings ...But when he carries out a chemical attack in your land you folk find it hilllarios...and you want Europe to take you seriously:joker::joker:

Cherie 12-01-2019 04:29 PM

Chris Grayling the Brexiteer said this did he :think:

its as bad now as it was before the referendum with both sides trying to panic MPs into voting one way or the other

Alf 12-01-2019 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lime (Post 10404880)
No denying their is civil unrest .Me personally have no problem with peacefull protest..The vast majority of French are more than vexed with those who rip up their streert s..

Putin doesnt need to show personally how he pulls strings ...But when he carries out a chemical attack in your land you folk find it hilllarios...and you want Europe to take you seriously:joker::joker:

So your answer is no, you have no proof of Putin pulling the strings, just be honest, I'll respect you more.

reece(: 12-01-2019 04:38 PM

I can see this tbh the far right wingers are typically angry and easily triggered

Twosugars 12-01-2019 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404884)
So your answer is no, you have no proof of Putin pulling the strings, just be honest, I'll respect you more.

only various statements by political leaders and intelligence services about that
not to mention online situation with ads and accounts from russia

the nature of all of that is covert influence not overt, so don't ask people to show you a direct trail to moscow :laugh:

and no, I cba hunting for quotes for your lazy ass, Alf, so

https://i.imgur.com/gP0tuDA.gif

lime 12-01-2019 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404884)
So your answer is no, you have no proof of Putin pulling the strings, just be honest, I'll respect you more.

you are right ..I have no proof putin is pulling the strings.but i am sure your mother didn't rare fools..Your own millitary said so...i don't need your respect ..Britain is your land...respect that rather than admireing Putin
:shrug::shrug:

Alf 12-01-2019 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 10404890)
I can see this tbh the far right wingers are typically angry and easily triggered

They're not far-right wingers, they're just ordinary working class people who don't think they're being listened to.

lime 12-01-2019 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404893)
They're not far-right wingers, they're just ordinary working class people who don't think they're being listened to.

Think is the most rellavent word in you post

Alf 12-01-2019 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lime (Post 10404892)
you are right ..I have no proof putin is pulling the strings.but i am sure your mother didn't rare fools..Your own millitary said so...i don't need your respect ..Britain is your land...respect that rather than admireing Putin
:shrug::shrug:

If I respect my land, I'm labaled a racist, xenophobic, bigot.

lime 12-01-2019 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404898)
If I respect my land, I'm labaled a racist, xenophobic, bigot.

Now you are just being a Snowflake..respect your land...and in a repsectfull way..Stop allowing the russians to dictate you train of thought

Alf 12-01-2019 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lime (Post 10404902)
Now you are just being a Snowflake..respect your land...and in a repsectfull way..Stop allowing the russians to dictate you train of thought

Who are the people not respecting the result of the referendum in my land?

Alf 12-01-2019 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lime (Post 10404902)
Now you are just being a Snowflake..respect your land...and in a repsectfull way..Stop allowing the russians to dictate you train of thought

I can live with snowflake, it's not that damaging of an insult as far-right, racist, bigot is.

Twosugars 12-01-2019 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10404904)
Who are the people not respecting the result of the referendum in my land?

bc it was advisory, had a slim majority and people didn't know what they voted for
the issue is too big to decide it based on some marginal angry majority

Alf 12-01-2019 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10404909)
bc it was advisory, had a slim majority and people didn't know what they voted for
the issue is too big to decide it based on some marginal angry majority

So what do you expect to happen in that situation?

Crimson Dynamo 12-01-2019 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 10404890)
I can see this tbh the far right wingers are typically angry and easily triggered

You dont know any and have never met any so i am not sure how you can comment?

Crimson Dynamo 12-01-2019 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10404909)
bc it was advisory, had a slim majority and people didn't know what they voted for
the issue is too big to decide it based on some marginal angry majority

Sorry people did not know what they voted for?

Do you think that many of the people who voted remain had any idea what the EU is ?

Most thought it meant geographically leaving Europe including you going by your post history

Alf 12-01-2019 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lime (Post 10404897)
Think is the most rellavent word in you post

They voted to leave the EU nearly 3 years ago, and they're still in the EU, I'd say they're in their right to think it.


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