BBC bans Michael Jackson music amidst child abuse claims
 

Looks like they're starting with the Pedo in the Mirror.

Is R Kelly banned too?

Well that's radio 2 off my playlist.I will still listen to him afterall it's just hearsay with no proof.Shame they don't ban their license that is a crime against us all.

Thank God for that, can't stand his music

Also obviously a paedo

Nope, I heard Ignition in the car the other day

I find it weird how the victims are like “he groomed the whole world” seems like a bit of a Sensationalist thing to say about someone who molested you

Radio 2
trying to be moral.

Its a hard one as some of MJ's music produced by Quincy Jones
is Quality music with even Eddie Van Halen
on a Guitar solo.

These are the same 'victims' that stood up for him in court testifying he had not touched them,and out they come years after his death and say the opposite, sorry I don't believe a word of it.There has been a witch hunt against him for years and seems there still is.

His music did nothing wrong.

i think plenty people want to make money out of him and aren't trustworthy. However Jackson was seriously dodgy, that just cant be denied.

I agree ,he was a strange person in some ways , he was very childlike himself . but that doesn't prove he was a peado , just that he was very eccentric and different , amazing talent that some people seem to have always wanted to destroy . Very unfair now that he is dead aswell .

He certainly seemed to have an odd relationship with children that's for sure

I find it strange that the family of one of the alleged victims accepted £15million and signed a non-disclosure agreement. So I hope the Jackson family will be seeking reimbursement because all I've heard so far against Jackson is hearsay, uncorroborated claims and that he paid people not to go to the press. That doesn't make him guilty. He was odd, I think everyone can agree with that... but I still don't believe there was any abuse, and until I see hard evidence I'm keeping off bandwagon. I remember the furore when Cliff Richard was arrested, at least he was able to provide evidence against the claims. But why, like in this case, wait till people are dead?

As for the BBC, I remember the appalling coverage of Cliff Richard's investigation that the BBC thought was acceptable... and it cost them several million. It was a knee jerk reaction from the BBC because it had allowed Saville to prey on kids for decades. Now they're playing it safe.

I'm unsure what to think of it all tbh.

I believe victims should always be heard but I can't deny that the story of these alleged victims is made dubious by the fact that they previously stood up for him, not as children who could have still been under his sway had they been groomed. but as adults who would have carried that pain around and would have been put under a microscope for coming to MJ's defense.

It's a difficult one, I hope that these guys can find peace somehow in case their story is true because I don't think they'll ever get true justice simply because they've given people reason to doubt them.

He wasn't convicted though, I think it's a bit much to stop playing his music.

Horrible man...feal sorry for him if the stories about him being buggered as a child are true..but to then go onto gods knows what as an adult just makes me hate him for the sick pedo he is...one of the worst kind cause he knows the pain.

100% Livia you put it so much better than I , the press /media have always had it in for Jackson simply because he was different but most of the odd things were explained others simply exaggerated ,but some people seem to have had a deep hatred for him and relish in anything that outs him in a bad light,so this must be nectar to them, So many things don't add up, he was also found not guilty which people seem to overlook a lot, The guy is dead,let him rest in peace.

I agree on your points there.:wavey:

Don't get me started on the licence fee however, that's been my one big hate since I realised one was needed.
Scrap that thing and get rid of the truly awful TV licensing company.

Brilliant post Livia.
Post of this thread for me.

Brilliant post :clap1:

Shame the BBC never learned from the Saville or Cliff cases.

I 100% believe Michael was just a lost soul and surrounded himself with kids because he related to them because he was never allowed a childhood and was deeply unhappy so just wanted to see other children happy.

I always wanted to believe Whacko was innocent.
I spent alot of my childhood listening to his tunes.My first ever cassette was ‘Bad’ when it had just released.
It was a big disappointment when the allegations came out.

I suppose nobody can ever know the truth now he’s gone.

I believe he was an absolute nonce (and the “he didn’t have a childhood” excuse is bogus) but that’s not going to stop me listening to his music. He was a great artist.

Welcome to our current social norms:

Accused of sexual misconduct
Put on trial
Cleared of charges
Dies
Reaccused
Found guilty in the court of public perception

I just dont know what the point of any of it is now

Pretty much

I'm kinda surprised at the support for him tbh: combine everything - all the things he definitely said and did, all the reports of people about what they saw and all the testimonies of those who were abused - and it's obvious that the most likely conclusion is that he did abuse young boys

People don't want to believe because they like his music imo

Yeah I think so too

No, I think it's as Livia says and pointed out strongly in her post.

There are dubious actions from those complaining.
Why wait until he isn't alive too.

He's had trials, where were these people then.
Even Macauley Culkin was at a trial.

He may have been strange, however there's not in my view any justification for ceasing to play his music.

I mean love or hate Michael Jackson, you cannot cover music history or charts from the 70s to the 2000s leaving out this extremely huge star and influence in music.

Even moreso when he isn't here to be submitted to these accusations, especially after being thoroughly investigated and tried years ago.
Cleared in effect too.

Sorry, but if we're condemning a dead man for accusations he can't defend himself against on the basis that said man was weird and eccentric then the entire frigging world has gone stark raving mad.

Yes, he was strange (the whole bloody family are rather weird) but that itself is not evidence of anything.

Trump is alive and 100% a crook and still 30% of the American population refuse to consider it because he is sticking it to the "elites". It's not inconceivable that 30% or more would excuse Jackson on the basis of he sang a good tune.

Whatever ones views on Jackson, he was a very flawed individual. If he was guilty, he can't do any more harm now, and I tend to believe that those coming out the woodwork at this point are after a fast buck. He is a prime target for that.

The test I put on him is this. Would I have allowed my children to go for "sleepovers" with him .... not a chance in hell.

Well it's not just that is it, these two spent a lot of time around him when they were kids and have given very detailed testimonies of how he abused them. Then consider also that he himself said he shared beds with children, he surrounded himself with them, he had to pay off the first family who accused him and there were all these accusations and reports around for years

Jimmy Saville was also dead when everything came out, it doesn't get you off the hook

Well... I mean... It does get you off the hook. People like to believe that Saville didn't get away with his crimes because they were discovered after his death and his "name is mud" but really that doesn't mean anything. Dead is dead, he wasn't caught while he was alive, and he got away with it. There isn't some Saville ghost out there going "Oh nooo, my reputation!". He doesn't exist any more.

I know it's important for victims to feel like they're getting some justice by these things being exposed post-humously but if we're looking at it pragmatically, the dead perpetrator doesn't give a ****. They don't give an anything. They're just a memory.

Well legally it does, I just mean that it shouldn't make someone immune to accusations or scrutiny

No one wants their hero to be a child molester.

Jimmy savile raised millions for charity but was a paedophil.

One of those boys at least was a proven liar,so for me once a liar always a liar,you don't like him,fair enough but it will cloud your perception of him, he was trialled and found innocent, some just seem so desperate for fame and money they can say anything about him now.I'm not buying any of it.

Oj Simpson was found not guilty of murder when we all know he did it, I see this case in the same light.

You could also say ,people want to believe it because they didn't like him

I will wait to see what this new documentary raises, though the fact that these two appear to have previously lied under oath should be raising some kind of red flags.

The BBC's reaction is ludicrous, he has not been convicted of anything....

it's not like the BBC doesn't have history. It's banned all sorts of stuff over the years with no legal basis to do so. It's not like Jackson's music is current, who really gives a toss if the beeb never played any music again, let alone MJ's greatest hits

I never said they should stop playing his music. I loved his music back in the 80's/90's too, it was fantastic. I'm also not suggesting a dead man should go on trial, what's the point? All I'm saying is he had a very odd relationship with children and imo there probably was something funny going on, I thought that when he was alive also :shrug: