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Crimson Dynamo 21-03-2019 08:15 AM

Andrea Leadsom - parents should be free to bar their children from LGBT education
 
https://images.lbc.co.uk/images/4251...HjhuGACgEMBmw=

The Leader of the House was on LBC as she was asked whether she agreed with the parents
who have removed their children from lessons in school teaching about gay and lesbian relationships.

She said she was pleased that her own children were taught about it, but it was her choice of
words when saying parents should be able to opt out of the classes that raised eyebrows.

Speaking to Nick Ferrari, she said: "I think that it's right that the government should have passed
legislation that requires that relationships and sex education is taught in schools.

"But at the same time, I also agree that it's right that parents should be able to choose the moment
at which their children become exposed to that information.


"And there are steps taken to enable parents to withdraw their children from classes up to a certain age."



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Gay MP LLyod Russell-Molye was not happy and had a go at her in the Commons over her words.
Lloyd Russell-Moyle criticised Andrea Leadsom after she said parents should decide when their
children were "exposed" to the lessons.

He also attacked "bigots that don't want LGBT people to be heard in schools".

Some Birmingham schools have stopped LGBT rights classes after protests.

Parkfield Community School, in the city, said it would not resume the lessons until a
resolution had been reached with parents.

In a statement on Wednesday, the school said it was planning to "evolve" its equalities
teaching "in collaboration with parents".


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Those who are adamant that homosexuality is morally wrong strongly feel that the Equality Act
should protect their religious beliefs.


However, for the LGBT community, "alarmed" is the word often being used to convey feeling both
here in Birmingham and around the country, and they believe their human rights are being abused
by schools who have stopped teaching children about same sex couples.

And now the row is spreading. In Greater Manchester, the BBC understands hundreds of parents
have sent letters to schools asking for their children to be removed from sex education lessons.

As the dispute escalates, so does the tension around this controversial topic.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47643119

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...-exposed-lgbt/

Did she have a point?

bots 21-03-2019 08:20 AM

the purpose of school education is to gain basic knowledge and understanding of the world so that people can take their place in society. Children can specialise later in their schooling, thats fine, but they should all get the fundamental basics.

It's not for me to define fundamental basics, that's what school boards and authorities are for, but once they have decided, there should be no exclusions from that curriculum.

chuff me dizzy 21-03-2019 08:31 AM

And she's right !! It is the parents right to say what their children should be subjected to

Smithy 21-03-2019 08:42 AM

Those who are adamant that homosexuality is morally wrong strongly feel that the Equality Act should protect their religious beliefs.

I-

:skull:

Elliot 21-03-2019 08:47 AM

They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubble

chuff me dizzy 21-03-2019 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 10483363)
They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubble

Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission

Elliot 21-03-2019 09:01 AM

This entire thing is disturbing and I’m appalled that this bull**** hasn’t been amply challenged

Smithy 21-03-2019 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10483368)
Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission

It’s not sex education it’s about LGBT RELATIONSHIPS not how they have sex

user104658 21-03-2019 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 10483363)
They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubble

I agree with that, it's up to schools to decide their curriculum and if a parent doesn't like the content, they DO have a choice, as they can choose private education or home schooling.

Rob! 21-03-2019 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10483368)
Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission

Protect them from what? You do realise that gay people aren't radioactive?

Your views are SO out of fashion it's almost amusing.

chuff me dizzy 21-03-2019 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10483371)
It’s not sex education it’s about LGBT RELATIONSHIPS not how they have sex

I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice

Smithy 21-03-2019 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10483376)
I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice

Why would you not want your children to learn about a normal
Healthy relationship?

The Slim Reaper 21-03-2019 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10483376)
I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice

Education is to educate, not to protect the beliefs of parents.

Rob! 21-03-2019 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10483376)
I would NOT let my children take part ,my children, my choice

Dictatorship parenting is a choice and making sex some sort of horrific dirty secret is a bad one. Why would you hide from your children how humans are made?

smudgie 21-03-2019 09:25 AM

So she is basically saying that children don’t learn about it until they are of a suitable age anyhow.
Makes sense to me.
I certainly wouldn’t want my kids growing up in ignorance of the reality and normality of LGBT.

chuff me dizzy 21-03-2019 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 10483380)
Dictatorship parenting is a choice and making sex some sort of horrific dirty secret is a bad one. Why would you hide from your children how humans are made?

MY children, MY choice

Rob! 21-03-2019 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10483383)
MY children, MY choice

So you keep pointlessly saying. They are human beings capable of their own choices and you know what? They're going to go out and find out about sex for themselves whether or not you've decided they're ready for it or not.

The Slim Reaper 21-03-2019 09:30 AM

I'm a flat earther, so my children will not be attending physics lessons.

Beso 21-03-2019 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10483371)
It’s not sex education it’s about LGBT RELATIONSHIPS not how they have sex

Do they love eachother differently from everyone else like?

Cal. 21-03-2019 09:36 AM

It should definitely be normalised like straight relationships are in media and education etc.

Crimson Dynamo 21-03-2019 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 10483391)
It should definitely be normalised like straight relationships are in media and education etc.

Agreed and taught that its a very small minority that is affected, numbers and perspective is very important in education.

TomC 21-03-2019 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10483368)
Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission

There’s a difference between sex education and relationship education silly.

Scarlett. 21-03-2019 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10483368)
Or protect them ? Kids should keep their innocence as long as possible, IMO children should not learn any type of sex education until they are in their teens and even then with parents permission

Surely it's important for them to learn about sex before they become teenagers, as they need to be educated about protection, and the risks. Also, I remember being a kid, and I'm pretty sure I understood what sex was when I was in year 2. Kids are much smarter than you think, children can be know about sex and still have a happy, innocent childhood.

Rob! 21-03-2019 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dia. (Post 10483408)
Surely it's important for them to learn about sex before they become teenagers, as they need to be educated about protection, and the risks. Also, I remember being a kid, and I'm pretty sure I understood what sex was when I was in year 2. Kids are much smarter than you think, children can be know about sex and still have a happy, innocent childhood.

It's hilarious coming from someone with a baby smoking in a gif as their avatar and someone who is forever shouting about the "snowflake generation" and yet wants to wrap their kids in cotton wool with no interest in an alternative when it comes to something as normal and natural as sex. Hypocrisy much?

Livia 21-03-2019 10:48 AM

It's a big problem in an area with a high Muslim population. Moderate Muslims aren't as plentiful as they sometimes seem when it comes to dealing with homosexuality, women's right, that kind of thing.

Elliot 21-03-2019 10:51 AM

Amir Ahmed, a lead campaigner for the parents, told Sima Kotecha: "Morally, we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have."

Yikes

Livia 21-03-2019 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 10483460)
Amir Ahmed, a lead campaigner for the parents, told Sima Kotecha: "Morally, we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have."

Yikes

And yet they choose to live in a country where people have fought for the freedom to be who they are, for gay rights, for women's rights... and here they are fighting us on it.

reece(: 21-03-2019 12:20 PM

We been knew Leadsom is an underlying homophobe

arista 21-03-2019 12:24 PM

Yes LT
its a mega fight
it was on GMB HD itv
today a Black Lady said she has nothing against gays
but do not teach it to her 5 year old boy

arista 21-03-2019 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 10483460)
Amir Ahmed, a lead campaigner for the parents, told Sima Kotecha: "Morally, we do not accept homosexuality as a valid sexual relationship to have."

Yikes


Yes they will stand by their Religious Rights

arista 21-03-2019 12:33 PM

"Gay MP LLyod Russell-Molye was not happy and had a go at her in the Commons over her words.
Lloyd Russell-Moyle criticised Andrea Leadsom after she said parents should decide when their
children were "exposed" to the lessons."

He is a Trouble Maker

arista 21-03-2019 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 10483363)
They can decide exactly. Just take your child out of school and live in a bubble



Yes its their Religious beliefs
you must know ,they can not change!

Twosugars 21-03-2019 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10483452)
It's a big problem in an area with a high Muslim population. Moderate Muslims aren't as plentiful as they sometimes seem when it comes to dealing with homosexuality, women's right, that kind of thing.

a bit like parts of Jerusalem inhabited by orthodox Jews, isn't it

the problem is not going to go away considering that orthodox Jews, Muslims and Christians reject contraception so seem to breed like rabbits and are bound to increase in numbers.

Jordan. 21-03-2019 12:40 PM

What better way of creating the next generetation that believe homosexuality is still a taboo subject or something that is wrong because they were mollycoddled into thinking only straight relationships exist.

Twosugars 21-03-2019 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10483614)
Yes its their Religious beliefs
you must know ,they can not change!

then they should learn to compartmentalize.
Nobody said the world around them has to revolve about their beliefs.
Participate in public life according to secular law and in their community according to their religious laws. Simples.

Lostie! 21-03-2019 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 10483621)
What better way of creating the next generetation that believe homosexuality is still a taboo subject or something that is wrong because they were mollycoddled into thinking only straight relationships exist.

Tbh. Shoddy parenting as far as I'm concerned.

arista 21-03-2019 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10483622)
then they should learn to compartmentalize.
Nobody said the world around them has to revolve about their beliefs.
Participate in public life according to secular law and in their community according to their religious laws. Simples.



Yes but they have their own
community.
That's what New Labour Set up........................

Twosugars 21-03-2019 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10483632)
Yes but they have their own
community.
That's what New Labour Set up........................

what are you on about?

there's one secular law of the land
equality is a part of it
no discrimination based on sexual orientation
it's the law and they need to obey it
school education is a part of it

Cherie 21-03-2019 01:00 PM

Posted this on another thread but its relevant in this one too

5 schools now in Birmingham have stopped the Outsiders curriculum, so in the UK where we welcome all, and you are free to be who you are it looks like we are going backwards


https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/2...on-manchester/

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