House of Lords approve LGBT inclusive relations and sex education
 

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thank **** for that. can you see which mps opposed?

ahhh was hasty, i see the house of commons voted last month. i really wanted another reason to drag my Tory MP ugh

What about that Muslim school protest then?

Help them build a bridge to get over it?

They’ll all be fined and their kids suspended if they carry on I should hope

That Goes On.
Not Resolved.

No there is far to many of them
until it gets back on the news
nothing has changed

There's far too many criminals in general, they all get punished though.

While you're dragging a Tory, remember that it was the Tories who brought in gay marriage, against the wishes of quite a lot of their members.

It was actually a Lib Dem promise which the Tories are shamefully claiming.

Lynne Featherstone is widely credited as bringing in SSM

while retaining the flexibility for head teachers to respond to the needs of their own schools...

oh

A LibDem promise, don't make me laugh. The LibDems promised a lot of things... none of which they would have been able to get through had they not got into bed with the Conservative Party... an act that just about finished them off.

The Tories aren't "shamefully claiming" anything, they were in a coalition with the LibDems, and there's no way in this world or the next that the LibDems would ever have been in a position of power alone, to be able to push through a law. It was the Tory party who got it through, no amount of denial is going to change that. A large percentage of their old dyed-in-the-wool Tory members resigned their membership over it, and to give them their due, they pushed it through regardless.

No head teacher should overrule this, but I'm guessing in places with a lot of Muslims, they're going to cave.

this covers the recent protest in Birmingham nicely I guess?

seems like a rather large and spacious loophole

The Conservatives did not have it in their 2010 manifesto. The Lib Dems did. If the Lib Dems had not forced their hand, the Tories would not have held a vote because of their members.

Also 'Featherstone launched the consultation by the UK Government on introducing same-sex marriage and was the first politician to take part in the Out4Marriage campaign'

ALSO: Conservatives wouldn't have got it through alone, not by a long shot. 117 Tories voted FOR it, and 127 voted AGAINST it. The Conservative parliamentary party were AGAINST it. It wasn't the Tory party that got it through by a long shot. It was half the Tories and the vast majority of opposition MPs. So if anything, it was a cross party consensus... But facts are facts, there's no evidence there would've been a vote without the Lib Dems in coalition.

Well... you said it :shrug:

Hmm funny that bc most of the MPs that opposed this legislation were Tories and DUP

If you are serious about inclusion there should be no wriggle room on it.

There are core subjects that every school has to adhere to, why not this

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538 to 21? Who were the 21? DUP and tories I’m guessing?

Just get rid of sex ed its pointless

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12 tories
7 dups
1 labour
1 independent
(20 men, 1 woman)

In case anybody else was wondering

Gross *****

Teenage pregnancies are on the decrease, so I would say it is finally working

Sex ed in schools is needed. It's the fact it's going into later education. I found my class of 17-21 year olds the other week in sex ed and let me tell you it was just embarrassing.

Good, learning that LGBT people are no different to anyone else is vital and all schools should be made to teach inclusive lessons. I wouldn't have put in any loopholes to appease religious people, if they don't like it they can protest and get fined for it. Using religion to justify hatred should never be something that's protected.

As for the assertion by Adam that sex education is pointless.... Are you ****ing serious? Go look at the US stats of STI diagnosis rates and teen pregnancy numbers in places where sex education is optional, isn't taught at all or preaches abstinence and compare them to places that teach sex education properly as a compulsory class and see the difference.

Having no sex education puts people at risk, to make out that it's pointless is so incredibly ignorant on your part.

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The Tories were never going to have the numbers in their own party to pass SSM and doing so would go against the wishes of the majority.

To claim that the Tories were responsible for SSM is a gross attempt to rewrite history in order to make the tories look good when they were actually the main opposition to it.

It should be the parents job first and foremost, parents need to start teaching children certain things and stop leaving it to schools

Ridiculous.

You'd rather kids not go through a course which is tailor made to keep them safe so that their parents opt not to teach their kids to be safe or give them bad advice?

What is the logic behind your argument because I don't see any.

Like I am glad the Tories agreed to hold a vote (not that they had a choice) but to claim it was them who passed it is just wrong

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Let's close the schools altogether and just have all parents homeschool ALL of their kids. You know.... just because.

That would work REALLY well in places like Birmingham, Luton...

Whilst I agree that parent's should have a major input into this, school's also need to provide sex ed as there are many parent's who won't broach the subject with their kids, for many reasons. If kids are taught core aspects of sex ed at school those whose parent's won't talk to them at home will have at least some knowledge and information.

Totally agree, its the parents place to decide what their child needs to learn about sex /lgbt education and at what age, if they are not happy with the schools plan, don't let their child go in to the lesson

Since when was its the parents place to decide school curriculum lol. Literally never.

What a selfish parent they would be to place their own biases above the needs of their own child. Ignorance is never better than knowledge.

We also need to teach secondary school students of the appropriate age about gay sex. I had a lot of unprotected sex stupidly because I wasn't even aware of HIV or anything because all they talked about were using condoms to stop pregnancy and chlamydia.