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arista 06-05-2019 06:01 AM

Mother blames Netflix for her 12 year old daughters suicide
 
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Should a 12 year old
be able to watch anything on Netflix?

Is the real questions


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...weeks-15002271

Ammi 06-05-2019 06:32 AM

...very, very sad...:sad:...it would make sense that it was the other way around though...that Jessica may have been drawn and connecting to the show and the storyline of it because of her own self harming feelings...poor girl/poor family...

Mokka 06-05-2019 06:36 AM

A kid that my kid grew up with committed suicide right after the first season dropped... using the same method as the main character. You can't tell me that was a coincidence.

Shaun 06-05-2019 07:08 AM

A 30% spike in suicide rates is pretty damning as far as I'm concerned.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/5/3...h-suicide-rate

Just a ghastly concept of a show packaged in the most dangerous and teen-baiting way possible. Everyone involved should be ashamed.

bots 06-05-2019 07:16 AM

i refused to watch that series, and I don't know why anyone would either make such a show or watch it. I can't believe it would get a high ratings

Vicky. 06-05-2019 07:43 AM

I am usually very against blaming shows/games/whatever for stuff like this. And I do think there will be more things at play than just the show, however...I watched this and can well see how teens and that would think it was a good idea to copycat. It was all made out to be such a great way to get revenge..look..everyone will realise they were actually twats if you just cut your wrists in the bath! Quite gross really.

Crimson Dynamo 06-05-2019 07:48 AM

shaun called it right. teen baiting for ratings so that people in their 20s and 30s who write and make the show can get praise.

vile

Livia 06-05-2019 09:48 AM

I agree with Sean too.

user104658 06-05-2019 10:22 AM

Suicide can be and has been handled sensitively in TV and film. But not by this. I could only get through a couple of episodes, mainly because it's trash and not in a good way, but also because the message is horrendous.

Essentially, it says "You can successfully take revenge on the people who have hurt you, by killing yourself. Then everyone will understand, you can win, and be at peace."

It frames suicide as some sort of act of personal empowerment.

Its gross, dangerous, and also, not even true.

Amy Jade 06-05-2019 10:28 AM

I've never seen it to judge, does it really glorify suicide?

Ammi 06-05-2019 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 10540069)
I've never seen it to judge, does it really glorify suicide?

...nor me, Amy...I haven’t ever seen the series or knew that the storyline was in some way glorifying suicide of young people as some type of ‘revenge’...as Mokka, Shaun and TS seem familiar with it I’ll bow to their knowledge and thoughts about it...

Amy Jade 06-05-2019 10:45 AM

I might give it a watch.

Lots of people said the Netflix movie 'To the Bone' was glamourising eating disorders but having watched it I disagreed and thought it was very honest.

Liam- 06-05-2019 10:50 AM

Having seen the show, I don’t agree that it was glorifying suicide, it did show it a grotesque way, but I think that was more of a way to highlight what actually happens when you do that, I can’t see it being an inspiration for people to kill themselves, even though it probably did give them an idea of how to do it if they were already thinking abouht it, at the end of the day, 12 is still an age where you should be seeing what they watch on tv and 13 reasons why isn’t exactly a show they should be watching, at least not on their own anyway imo

Nicky91 06-05-2019 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10540079)
Having seen the show, I don’t agree that it was glorifying suicide, it did show it a grotesque way, but I think that was more of a way to highlight what actually happens when you do that, I can’t see it being an inspiration for people to kill themselves, even though it probably did give them an idea of how to do it, at the end of the day, 12 is still an age where you should be seeing what they watch on tv and 13 reasons why isn’t exactly a show they should be watching, at least not on their own anyway imo

they give that advice before the episodes though, not to watch it alone

RileyH 06-05-2019 10:55 AM

Why was she watching it anyway

RileyH 06-05-2019 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10540079)
Having seen the show, I don’t agree that it was glorifying suicide, it did show it a grotesque way, but I think that was more of a way to highlight what actually happens when you do that, I can’t see it being an inspiration for people to kill themselves, even though it probably did give them an idea of how to do it if they were already thinking abouht it, at the end of the day, 12 is still an age where you should be seeing what they watch on tv and 13 reasons why isn’t exactly a show they should be watching, at least not on their own anyway imo

:clap1:

chuff me dizzy 06-05-2019 11:21 AM

The onus is on the parents to supervise what their children watch

Nicky91 06-05-2019 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10540103)
The onus is on the parents to supervise what their children watch

+1

thisisdanny 06-05-2019 11:29 AM

I've seen it, and I thoroughly enjoyed it and would go as far as saying it's one of the most interesting series I've watched tbh. I can't usually binge watch anything cos I have low attention span lol but this I was hooked and couldn't stop watching. (S1 anyway)

However I agree with Liam. It didn't show suicide in the right way imo but it certainly didn't glorify it. It didn't just focus on the revenge side though it focused on the consequences, like the reaction of Hannah's parents etc.

And iirc there is actually a warning message before the series, and at the age of 12 you shouldn't be watching something like this.

Cherie 06-05-2019 11:36 AM

I'm not sure about it glorifying suicide either, the aftermath with the parents was pretty full on, and what are we saying here that some media has more influence than others?

Also the 30 per cent spike, what is that based on? teenage suicide in the US? so 30 teens in very 100 commit suicide, it seems a very high percentage?

bots 06-05-2019 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10540115)
I'm not sure about it glorifying suicide either, the aftermath with the parents was pretty full on, and what are we saying here that some media has more influence than others?

Also the 30 per cent spike, what is that based on? teenage suicide in the US? so 30 teens in very 100 commit suicide, it seems a very high percentage?

isnt it more that if there were 100 suicides then a 30% increase would have been 130

Withano 06-05-2019 11:50 AM

Completely plausible, that show was disgraceful

chuff me dizzy 06-05-2019 11:50 AM

Apparently this girl had mental health problems, so even more reason to monitor IMO

Withano 06-05-2019 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10540115)
I'm not sure about it glorifying suicide either, the aftermath with the parents was pretty full on, and what are we saying here that some media has more influence than others?

Also the 30 per cent spike, what is that based on? teenage suicide in the US? so 30 teens in very 100 commit suicide, it seems a very high percentage?

Thats not what a 30% spike means. It’s basically means 1.3 times higher than the orginal figure.

Take 30% of what it used to be + what it used to be = new suicide rate

Nicky91 06-05-2019 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 10540122)
Apparently this girl had mental health problems, so even more reason to monitor IMO

yup, she should've first of all not watched that on her own AND also should've gotten lots of help for mental health problems by experts


so it is very easy for the Mother to blame netflix while it basically isn't them at the blame

JerseyWins 06-05-2019 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10540079)
Having seen the show, I don’t agree that it was glorifying suicide, it did show it a grotesque way, but I think that was more of a way to highlight what actually happens when you do that, I can’t see it being an inspiration for people to kill themselves, even though it probably did give them an idea of how to do it if they were already thinking abouht it, at the end of the day, 12 is still an age where you should be seeing what they watch on tv and 13 reasons why isn’t exactly a show they should be watching, at least not on their own anyway imo

Agree with all of this

Hard to say whether the idea was already there for the girl or if the show created the idea for her. Maybe the show did show her a way to do it or make her feel more justified in doing it but it just as likely could’ve happened regardless. :shrug: But at 12, either her parents or the friend’s parents should’ve been more careful about what they were watching as well (especially if there was any reason to be alarmed)

Either way, this is a very sad story though :(

AnnieK 06-05-2019 12:08 PM

I know people who know this girl's mum. The back story is a lot more complicated and she had many mental health issues which have been caused by family problems. I have never seen the show but it sounds awful but at 12 she shouldn't have been watching something like that anyway. However, I don't think the programme is to blame in this situation

Liam- 06-05-2019 12:10 PM

There were also a couple of explicit rape scenes, did that cause people to go out and rape people? You can’t put an idea in someone’s head if it wasn’t already being thought about.

It’s a very sad story, but a tv show isn’t responsible for mentally vulnerable kids killing themselves.

JerseyWins 06-05-2019 12:11 PM

But then again, at 12 I was probably watching worse so I can’t really blame the parents either, it’s not that easy to keep track of everything your kids do once they get a bit older.

user104658 06-05-2019 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10540115)
I'm not sure about it glorifying suicide either, the aftermath with the parents was pretty full on, and what are we saying here that some media has more influence than others?



Also the 30 per cent spike, what is that based on? teenage suicide in the US? so 30 teens in very 100 commit suicide, it seems a very high percentage?

It means a percentage increase in the number of suicides so let's say if there were 10,000 teen suicides last year, a 30% increase would be an increase of 3000 (so 13,000 this year).

I haven't seen the figures claiming that to be the case though, a 30% spike seems huge.

Again I have to reiterate that I don't think the show handles mental health or suicide well at all. Showing the aftermath of the suicide doesn't mitigate the fact that it's being used as the focus plot point for some relatively cheap teen drama and is handled in a dramatised, unrealistic way. Showing that her friends and family were upset does not mean that the act isn't glorified. Its a ham-fisted plot device.

Cherie 06-05-2019 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10540120)
isnt it more that if there were 100 suicides then a 30% increase would have been 130

dont try and bamboozle me, maths is not my strong point!

Cherie 06-05-2019 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10540135)
It means a percentage increase in the number of suicides so let's say if there were 10,000 teen suicides last year, a 30% increase would be an increase of 3000 (so 13,000 this year).

I haven't seen the figures claiming that to be the case though, a 30% spike seems huge.

Again I have to reiterate that I don't think the show handles mental health or suicide well at all. Showing the aftermath of the suicide doesn't mitigate the fact that it's being used as the focus plot point for some relatively cheap teen drama and is handled in a dramatised, unrealistic way. Showing that her friends and family were upset does not mean that the act isn't glorified. Its a ham-fisted plot device.

You could say that about alot of issues on alot of shows though :shrug:

user104658 06-05-2019 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10540130)
I know people who know this girl's mum. The back story is a lot more complicated and she had many mental health issues which have been caused by family problems. I have never seen the show but it sounds awful but at 12 she shouldn't have been watching something like that anyway. However, I don't think the programme is to blame in this situation

Obviously she will have had mental health problems; no one who is healthy can be forced or encouraged to kill themself by a TV show, but that doesn't mean its unlikely to be a factor. Suicidal ideation is "infectious" - for example, if one student in a University accommodation completes suicide, their peers are at a significantly increased suicide risk - and people with suicidal thought can be prompted to act and put at risk by poorly handled things like this.

chuff me dizzy 06-05-2019 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10540130)
I know people who know this girl's mum. The back story is a lot more complicated and she had many mental health issues which have been caused by family problems. I have never seen the show but it sounds awful but at 12 she shouldn't have been watching something like that anyway. However, I don't think the programme is to blame in this situation

:clap1:

user104658 06-05-2019 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10540137)
You could say that about alot of issues on alot of shows though :shrug:

You can but the difference is that its usually a storyline or subplot within an established show. There are indeed plenty of examples of it being handled badly - but I can't think of another show where it is the CENTRAL theme and focus of the entire season and the main leveraged plot device. Or in other words, a show is usually the backdrop for a storyline that features suicide. In the case of this show, the suicide IS the backdrop upon which other storylines are mounted. IMO there's a huge difference.

Withano 06-05-2019 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10540132)
There were also a couple of explicit rape scenes, did that cause people to go out and rape people? You can’t put an idea in someone’s head if it wasn’t already being thought about.

It’s a very sad story, but a tv show isn’t responsible for mentally vulnerable kids killing themselves.

It never glorified raping so its not a great comparison

Nicky91 06-05-2019 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10540144)
You can but the difference is that its usually a storyline or subplot within an established show. There are indeed plenty of examples of it being handled badly - but I can't think of another show where it is the CENTRAL theme and focus of the entire season and the main leveraged plot device. Or in other words, a show is usually the backdrop for a storyline that features suicide. In the case of this show, the suicide IS the backdrop upon which other storylines are mounted. IMO there's a huge difference.

Degrassi is a fine example of a show which featured real life struggles in it's storylines

Beso 06-05-2019 02:12 PM

I'm not surprised this has happened..

Beso 06-05-2019 02:14 PM

Like..you know kids are warned about Cannibis use and how thier brains are not fully matured yet and it can harm them.....


What makes the internet any different.

arista 06-05-2019 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 10540017)
I am usually very against blaming shows/games/whatever for stuff like this. And I do think there will be more things at play than just the show, however...I watched this and can well see how teens and that would think it was a good idea to copycat. It was all made out to be such a great way to get revenge..look..everyone will realise they were actually twats if you just cut your wrists in the bath! Quite gross really.


A girl aged 12
alone with her parents Netflix account.
That was wrong


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