Madonna should have retired 20 years ago
 

I have seen her on a few shows recently promoting her new album and its just so cringe and just shouts desperation. When you combine that with her tragic recent live performance, it's game over. Why do so many continue to force themselves on the public when their voices after years of abuse are just tragically bad

at least she's one of the older generation artists who still continues to experiment with music, rather than some of those who just remaster their older tracks or those who go into the outdated pop songs direction with cover albums

...I don’t find her voice tragically bad..:laugh:...I know she had a stumble on stage a few years ago...many younger artists have had stumbles and also not the greatest of vocals from time to time ...but they’re not expected to retire cos they’re younger innit...:laugh:...she’s amazing, she’s incredible..age is no barrier to her talent, she’s adapting it...my goodness, the energy she has..:lovedup:...

...go and have a sit down and a cup of tea bots...and have a rethink..:laugh:..

she probably has no decent pals who would take her to one side and say how tragic she has become

which is sad

the clear sexism is disgusting, you’ve got acts like mick jagger, rod stewart and bruce springsteen (who’s released his album at the same time as madonna) who don’t constantly get criticised because of their age, but of course since madonna is female that’s all she ever gets these days.

Madonna has never been an amazing vocalist sure but she sure can sing, her music is in a different type of category as to other singers as she uses her vocals in a different type of way which still has made her the highest selling female artist of all time so :shrug:

I bet you haven’t even listened to her recent album anyway which critically is her most acclaimed album since 2005..

https://www.metacritic.com/music/madame-x/madonna

Her Eurovision performance was hilariously bad.

Rod honestly didn't sound good at all, as we've heard him last year on one of strictly results shows

Madonna is more a popstar, complete package than a singer

bruce springsteen isn't on the best level anymore either but you don't hear many complaining about him

judging Madonna on singing is a laugh :laugh3: and the hate for her on that one performance clearly don't know Madonna or have never seen a other performance from her

she's more a performer than a singer

no she isnt

Her whole performance itself was equally as bad as her singing.

It was just awful through and through.

:conf:

from that new song ok that performance was weird


but like a prayer performance was quite nice with that choir

What did she do that "shouts desperation"?

Why do we never hear people tearing down Rod Stewart, Elton, Mick Jagger, and Bruce Springsteen for still being active (and in Elton's case looking ridiculous)?
Pure good old fashioned sexism, and before anyone says these men don't take their clothes off, well neither does Madonna these days either.

Meanwhile, here's Iggy Pop strutting his stuff topless at 71.

No "Put it away, Grandpa" comments for him?

When people aren't tearing Madonna down for her revealing outfits, they're tearing her down for "being rude, bitchy and talentless", when in fact, she is the same outrageous woman with the same sarcastic, dry sense of humour she was from 20 years ago, only now she's older with a big family and suffers more from anxiety because of clueless snowflakes flocking to her IG to tell her she's "an old hag who needs to retire". This combined with constant, spiteful articles from the likes of Piers Morgan and Roger Friendman attacking her for being active and refusing to bend to societies expectations of an ageing woman is pathetic, so who can blame her for being constantly on guard?
Now that she's covered up, they're telling her to shut up, retire and take up knitting - preferably out of sight in the privacy of her own home, so I say good for her for doing the complete opposite.

and I have no idea why people are making such a big deal over her voice at Eurovision considering they've been saying she hasn't been able to sing since day one.

Anyway, here's an article that sums up my thoughts and feelings on this...
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/madonna-...be-outrageous/

"Madonna is the most successful female musical artist of all time; a music, fashion and culture A-lister for four decades. One of our most defiantly outspoken of all female role models really doesn’t need me to defend her.

But if one ever wondered what misogyny, casual and overt ageism, being patronised and suffering vituperative ridicule looked like, then look no further than the spiteful reactions to her new Madame X persona and her appearance on the Graham Norton Show this weekend.

Celebrities don’t do chat shows for fun, however lovely Norton is. Danny Boyle. Lily James and Himesh Patel were promoting “Yesterday” and Sir Ian McKellan was touting his one-man show.

Madonna is pushing Madame X, her first album in four years. She was drily funny, genuinely pleased to be sitting with Boyle, whose Trainspotting film she admires, and admitted honestly she didn’t recall working with McKellan, with whom she sparred playfully. She has adopted a Madame X vaudeville persona for the album: all bustier and eye patch.

Madonna is the one time “Material Girl”, “Vogue”, “Evita” and “Queen of Pop” and so many more. Like David Bowie, the key to her longevity is talent, chutzpah and re-invention. Unlike David Bowie, she is ridiculed at every turn for having the temerity to put herself out there and subvert cultural expectations. If that includes pushing up her boobs via an excruciatingly tight bustier and wearing an eye patch for “the look”, what of it?

“Holiday”, her first hit, came out in 1983. What were you like 36 years ago? Do you look, think and sound the same? I saw her first world tour at Wembley Stadium in 1987. There was a real frisson about seeing a global icon then – perhaps like Beyoncé today. She had already created a rebel persona with the attendant criticism for her outspokenness. Fast-forward 30-plus years and her honest concerns about moving to Portugal to be a soccer mom, or the dangers of social media, or being asked for sexual favours by powerful men only lead to her being damned.
Ageism

How should she behave at 60? She has no real role models at her level of fame. Why should she conform to notions of behaviour and dress that are rooted in our casual ageism and misogyny? Some admire her for supposedly giving “zero *******s”, but as she spoke of her children perhaps wishing Madonna wasn’t their mother for an easier life, it’s clear she actually does. The kneejerk, patronising and spiteful criticism she receives in truth reveals more about us than her."

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Iggy Pop looks very unhealthy skinny :o pls perform a little less and eat some more i say

Elton John was once so offkey my ears hurted a lot, and that was at queen's diamond jubilee as i can remember how he butchered i'm still standing :idc:

and if you don't believe me have a listen :fan:

lol
He looks awful there, Nicky. I mean, everything from the wig, to the pink jacket. What a mess, but that's ok apparently because... "We love, Elton" right? :joker:

Don't get me wrong, I love some of his music, but his personality is awful.

He even fallen out with Tina Turner at one point and Tina is lovely.

Tina for sure is lovely, i saw her here at a dutch musical awards to present a lifetime achievement award for our longtime musical producer joop van den ende, and she asked if he could make a musical based on her life with her music :flutter:

She was good in 80's and 90's.

Did you not see her performance at Eurovision ~ that was tragic and we agreed here its time for her to call it a day, but was our opinion.
I also saw a bit of her on Graham Norton and her lips were so pumped up she could hadly talk never mind pronounce words so how the hell does she sing through all that filler ?

Who agreed?

There's always been a 50/50 mixed reaction on here regarding Madonna, so I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

For those saying why did i single out Madonna "Why do so many continue to force themselves on the public when their voices after years of abuse are just tragically bad"

and yet Madonna's name is used in the thread title. :shrug:

true, but anyway most of what BOTS now states is also true


where Madonna is different from other older artists is she continues to experiment

Madame X is one of the most exciting/fun albums of 2019 so idk why age even comes into it when she’s still releasing stuff miles better than what the younger pop gals are putting out

I'm no huge fan, but to be completely fair, Madonna wearing these outrageous outfits and being sexual etc is not a new thing. So I tend to agree with it's ageist to suggest that she was ok doing that for years and wasn't regarded as "desperate" but now that she's a certain age it's "desperate" when it's the kind of artist she's always been?

If she was never one for elaborate costumes and showing skin and had started doing all of this in an attempt to garner sales/attention that had long since faded I would agree it was a desperate act. But it's Madonna doing Madonna really.

She is though?

People don't go to Madonna concerts to listen to a vocalist like they do, say, Adele.

They go to see the show/spectacle that she puts on.

Tbf, that's like asking why do the supermarkets force so many products on us. They don't.

They put things out on the shelf, and it's there for the public to take it or leave it.

Nobody forces you to listen to or buy Madonna's music either.

I was talking about the people i was with at the time , the forum never came into it.

It’s ageist at best. It’d be like a company getting rid of someone for a younger person just because they’d hit their late 50’s.

Performing and making music is what Madonna wishes to do, so why shouldn’t she have that right?

Nope. I think she's brilliant. I've been a huge fan since I was a teen :dance:

I've seen Madonna sing live and she sounded great. She also puts on the most amazing show.

People still pay for her shows and buy her albums... and tune in to Eurovision, maybe for the first time, to see her. If she has something to offer in her business and talent that people want to pay for... who are you to say she needs to quit. If you don't like it... turn it off, don't buy her album, don't go to her concert. I don't like many artists... and my money and time aren't spent on them. I don't even bother making a thread about the ones I don't want to hear from. :idc:

...thats a wonderful way of putting it, Marsh..:love:...she’s no different a performer or a vocal artist to what she’s ever been ...and she’s doing it for the older female with style...:lovedup:...I know she had some criticism for her Eurovision performance as Jax has said...but I’ve also seen lots of huge praise for the performance as well...and thats the thing as well...she wouldn’t be Madonna if she didn’t get people talking about her, both praise and criticism...she’s consistently amazing and no one’s going to tell her to sit down and have a cup of tea...which is one of the things I love about her...:lovedup:...

She's so cool!

I should clarify that I have seen Madonna in concert in the past, and have loads of her albums. I have heard so many singers where their voice just goes and while Madonna and many other were not great singers to start with, it's still legitimate to say they are crap now. I chose to use Madonna as an example because she is currently out there promoting herself.

I was a massive fan of Jethro Tull, but Ian Anderson, the man behind the band has literally no voice left these days, yet he still goes on stage and croaks, it's embarrassing to listen to and diminishes how good he was in his prime. Elton is another .... completely dire now

Those who are not naturally gifted singers or who strain their voices when they sing just don't last, and I for one don't want to listen to them

Well, I think she's still amazing. I love how she keeps reinventing herself. And she's very creative.

Madonna being 60, ok to criticize her outfits at her age


but Iggy Pop at age 72, performing topless :umm2:

Iggy has never been a very plesant sight :laugh:

Retiring 20 years ago = no Confessions on a Dancefloor











Also no: Music, Hollywood, Don't Tell Me, Love Profusion, Beautiful Stranger, Celebration, Give It 2 Me, Miles Away, Rebel Heart, Me Against the Music

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