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Niamh. 23-07-2019 03:05 PM

A Canadian man is attempting to legally coerce women to wax his scrotum.
 
Just an example of how self IDing can be abused, there's something seriously wrong in Canada and maybe the world if this case is won. Shocking, can't believe this story wasn't posted here :

Canada’s Ball-Waxing Horror Show: Peak Transgender Activism

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A Canadian man is attempting to legally coerce women to wax his scrotum.
Imagine this. It’s 1990. A feminist novelist is pitching her latest book to a publisher. Set in a dystopian future in which a tyrannical ideology has gripped Western politics, it features female estheticians who have been dragged before a national kangaroo court for refusing to wax a man’s genitals. The publisher worries that the story, about an outrageous affront on women’s rights, isn’t plausible. She suggests something more realistic — how about fascistic men who force women into reproductive slavery instead?

Well, it’s 2019. The Handmaid’s Tale is still fiction. While Wax My Balls, B**** is a real-life horror show.

This week, British Columbia’s Human Rights Tribunal (CHRC) — a self-described “quasi-judicial body created by the B.C. Human Rights Code” — held hearings on whether or not female beauticians should be forced to handle male genitalia. The complainant, known until Wednesday under the alias “J. Y.” owing to a court gag order, is Jonathan/Jessica Yaniv, a self-identified transgender woman.

Yaniv has filed 16 different complaints against estheticians in the past year. Yaniv argues that, as a transgender woman, being denied services on account of her gender identity was discriminatory. As “Jessica,” Yaniv explained on Twitter:

This is not about waxing. This about businesses and individuals using their religion and culture to refuse service to protected groups because -they- don’t agree with it or the person and use that to illegally discriminate contrary to the BC Human Rights Code and the CHRC.

But who said this was about waxing? This about sex, surely. Yaniv is male — a male who has not made the surgical commitment necessary to pass as a female. On top of that, in the past year, Yaniv has presented unambiguously as a male on a number of sites including Google, LinkedIn, Pinterest, and YouTube. And on top of that, Yaniv is a male who is sexually attracted to females.

For the women who declined to wax Yaniv’s private parts, however, the matter was simpler still. Yaniv has male genitalia. Some preferred not to touch these for religious reasons. Others, such as business owner Marcia Da Silva, didn’t feel comfortable or qualified. In the hearing, Da Silva’s lawyer, Jay Cameron, further explained that forcing his client to touch Yaniv’s scrotum would effectively be coercing “intimate services.”

It gets worse. The Canadian journalist Meghan Murphy, who was banned from Twitter for identifying Yaniv as a man, writes at Spectator USA:

In some cases, Yaniv, who is male and maintains male genitalia, used fake Facebook profiles, displaying photos of women (in at least one case, he used the profile of a pregnant woman) to request the service via Facebook Marketplace. When the aestheticians realized he was male, they told him they only performed the service for women (indeed, waxing male genitals is an entirely different procedure, which requires particular training and wax). Yaniv went so far as to tell Sandeep Banipal, proprietor of Blue Heaven Beauty Lounge, that he was on his period, and asked if she could work around the string.

The damages to these women have been considerable, including stress and depression; at least one woman was forced to close her business. Another, a single mother who worked out of her home, paid Yaniv $2,500 to withdraw the complaint so that she could escape the expense of further litigation. Some of the women Yaniv targeted were immigrants. And as if there weren’t enough reasons to be suspicious of Yaniv, some of his comments on social media have seemed strikingly xenophobic. On Facebook, as “Jonathan,” Yaniv posted:

We have a lot of immigrants here who gawk, judge and aren’t the cleanest of people, they’re also verbally and physically abusive, that’s one reason I joined a girl’s gym, cause I DON’T want issues with these people . . . They lie about sh[**], they’ll do anything to support their own kind and make things miserable for everyone else.

It gets worse still. Yaniv is also “seeking permission” from a Canadian local council “to hold three ‘topless’ swims for people ages 12 and up, and parents would be barred from attending,”the Daily Caller reports. This swim would be for children who identify as LGBTQ2S+ and would include topless girls.

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So there we have it. An obviously predatory male is attempting to use the force of law to coerce females to touch his private parts and — unbelievably — a Canadian human-rights tribunal is entertaining this demand. Yaniv has so perfectly exposed the absurdity of gender policies that it would scarcely be surprising if he turned out to be a troll.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...sgen-activism/


Also, an interview with Yaniv on Irish Radio yesterday (which was where I found out about the case, how is this not all over the news? It's crazy???


Crimson Dynamo 23-07-2019 03:19 PM

Canada’s Ball-Waxing Horror Show

sounds like a new thing on Netflix that members are clamouring for to get a sub forum

:skull:

Niamh. 23-07-2019 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10636755)
Canada’s Ball-Waxing Horror Show

sounds like a new thing on Netflix that members are clamouring for to get a sub forum

:skull:

:laugh:

Crimson Dynamo 23-07-2019 03:21 PM

i did see this online yesterday but i actually did not fully understand what was going on as it was so absurd

Oliver_W 23-07-2019 03:23 PM

He's also trying to arrange a topless swimming session for girls over 12, and parents are prohibited from attending ... this guy is seriously sketchy

Edit: oops that mentioned in the o/p, s' what I get for skimming! Id

bots 23-07-2019 03:27 PM

I've never had a scrotum wax, i can't imagine any circumstances where it would be considered a pleasurable experience. So, i'm not sure what the motivation is :shrug:

Niamh. 23-07-2019 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10636765)
I've never had a scrotum wax, i can't imagine any circumstances where it would be considered a pleasurable experience. So, i'm not sure what the motivation is :shrug:

Yaniv is suing alot of people, you have to wonder if any of the beauticians he did contact actually said yes and he went through with it or if he was only interested in the ones that said no so he could sue them

Oliver_W 23-07-2019 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10636769)
Yaniv is suing alot of people, you have to wonder if any of the beauticians he did contact actually said yes and he went through with it or if he was only interested in the ones that said no so he could sue them

I wonder that about gay people who take legal action for being refused wedding cakes tbh.

Niamh. 23-07-2019 03:47 PM

And to those of you who were convinced that it was hysterical for women to think the self IDing would lead to perverts trying to exploit it, this guy is a prime example, here's some tweets of his about using female changing rooms


Ammi 23-07-2019 03:48 PM

...topless swims from age 12yrs with adult/parental supervision banned..?...jeeez, who is this person...

Niamh. 23-07-2019 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10636791)
I wonder that about gay people who take legal action for being refused wedding cakes tbh.

Well there's a big difference between baking a cake and saying it's illegal to say no to touching some guys balls. Not really the same discussion

Niamh. 23-07-2019 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10636793)
...topless swims from age 12yrs with adult/parental supervision banned..?...jeeez, who is this person...

Clearly not an actual Transgender woman but some pervert who saw an opportunity to use the new laws in Canada to harass women/girls and maybe make some cash too

Oliver_W 23-07-2019 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10636795)
Well there's a big difference between baking a cake and saying it's illegal to say no to touching some guys balls. Not really the same discussion

I wasn't comparing the services, I'm just wondering if the gays deliberately sought out a bakery who'd refuse them, so they could sue, like this guy is doing.


While either service providers should be ablr to refuse custom, I'd definitely give preference to the poor women potentially being forced to touch a man's privates.

Ammi 23-07-2019 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10636797)
Clearly not an actual Transgender woman but some pervert who saw an opportunity to use the new laws in Canada to harass women/girls and maybe make some cash too

...I’m reading some stuff on him atm that say he’s a notorious pervert...so if he’s so known I wonder why he’s allowed to continue with his ‘trolling’...

Niamh. 23-07-2019 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10636800)
...I’m reading some stuff on him atm that say he’s a notorious pervert...so if he’s so known I wonder why he’s allowed to continue with his ‘trolling’...

Indeed, will be very very interesting to see what the outcome of it all is. Unfortunately for those beauticians the damage has already been done with one of them paying him off to get of her back and another having gone out of business.

Northern Monkey 23-07-2019 04:07 PM

Can’t he just get Anton’s mum to do it?

Ammi 23-07-2019 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10636804)
Indeed, will be very very interesting to see what the outcome of it all is. Unfortunately for those beauticians the damage has already been done with one of them paying him off to get of her back and another having gone out of business.

..it looks as though he’s able to do a lot of damage to people on social media../..Twitter...I just don’t understand why he isn’t stopped by the police...the stuff about him is really sketchy...

Crimson Dynamo 23-07-2019 04:15 PM

these tweets are grim

Ammi 23-07-2019 04:17 PM

...it gets worse, Niamh...


https://jonathanyaniv.org/

DouglasS 23-07-2019 04:19 PM

This whole story grosses me out.
He must be mentally sick

I don’t think people should ever be allowed to legally self identify their gender - it’s way too dangerous

Niamh. 23-07-2019 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10636825)
...it gets worse, Niamh...


https://jonathanyaniv.org/

Jesus.

Did you listen to the interview I posted in the OP Ammi, the DJ asks him Shouldn't women be allowed to say no and he answers No, that's it in a nut shell, we're going so far backwards in time it's crazy...........under his eye

Ammi 23-07-2019 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10636829)
Jesus.

Did you listen to the interview I posted in the OP Ammi, the DJ asks him Shouldn't women be allowed to say no and he answers No, that's it in a nut shell, we're going so far backwards in time it's crazy...........under his eye

...no I didn’t see there was an interview posted...I’m not long in so I’ll take some more time to listen and look up more about him later ...he sounds very disturbing and is in ‘plain sight’ to the authorities so I don’t understand how he’s allowed to continue ...

Marsh. 23-07-2019 04:39 PM

Mokka wouldn't need coercion.

Mokka 23-07-2019 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10636856)
Mokka wouldn't need coercion.

:joker::joker::joker:

Amy Jade 23-07-2019 06:31 PM

This is beyond disturbing!

Beso 23-07-2019 06:46 PM

Any tibb women willing to come and cradle mine in an ice cold basin right now..... £250

Amy Jade 23-07-2019 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10636973)
Any tibb women willing to come and cradle mine in an ice cold basin right now..... £250

https://uploadir.com/u/xg9bd0dj

'Hello? Police please!'

Ammi 24-07-2019 06:40 AM

...I honestly don’t know what’s true with this person...some really disturbing stuff...

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/ex...iv-speaks-out/

smudgie 24-07-2019 07:45 AM

I would have a go.
But shave it with a Sweeny Todd razor and make sure I wasn’t too careful.
Disgusting pervert:fist:

Kazanne 24-07-2019 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10636973)
Any tibb women willing to come and cradle mine in an ice cold basin right now..... £250

:laugh::laugh: are you hot Parmy :hehe:

Cherie 24-07-2019 08:35 AM

Remember when we were told this would never happen :skull:

user104658 24-07-2019 08:41 AM

Using an obvious example of extreme behaviour - so extreme that it borders on parody - to justify general anti-trans views and shout "TOLD U SO". :skull:

Livia 24-07-2019 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10637461)
Using an obvious example of extreme behaviour - so extreme that it borders on parody - to justify general anti-trans views and shout "TOLD U SO". :skull:


That's unfair. It isn't anti trans, it's pro women.

Livia 24-07-2019 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10637459)
Remember when we were told this would never happen :skull:

I remember. I remember being told I was anti-trans. I remember women being laughed at and told self-IDing was "no threat" to women.

user104658 24-07-2019 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10637470)
I remember. I remember being told I was anti-trans. I remember women being laughed at and told self-IDing was "no threat" to women.

Luckily you now have the justification you need to curb stomp those dirty buggers into the floor, because there's a pedophile in Canada abusing the law. Whew!

Livia 24-07-2019 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10637473)
Luckily you now have the justification you need to curb stomp those dirty buggers into the floor, because there's a pedophile in Canada abusing the law. Whew!

Look at your hysterical language.

You think I'm anti trans and that you yourself are virtuous.

I am not against trans people, I am against people self-IDing. And frankly it's insulting that I have to explain this to you. Again.

Niamh. 24-07-2019 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10637461)
Using an obvious example of extreme behaviour - so extreme that it borders on parody - to justify general anti-trans views and shout "TOLD U SO". :skull:

It's an example of how self IDing can be abused TS which is all I and a few others have been saying. It isn't the first example either by the way, there are numerous examples in the sporting field also, there are quite a lot of examples in a very short space of time in fact. The point is it's putting trans rights above womens rights, that is very very unfair. It's putting gender above sex which is illogical, unfair and quite frankly dangerous

user104658 24-07-2019 09:22 AM

I can accept that purely in the context of this thread, I may have gone in a little hard based on past experiences of these threads. Past threads on these topics have gone in a distinctly angry general anti-trans direction. I know there'll be people who will argue that they haven't, but for me that's not an opinion that's going to change.

I also can't agree that a thread about an obviously extreme example of a disturbed individual works well to support a general point. Does it mean things need to be looked at? Maybe, as a tiny fragment of a much broader discussion, but this is not the "Gotcha!!" moment that people want it to be. That would be like seeing a story about a dog attacking a child and announcing that "clearly" the regulations around dog ownership must be changed "and if you don't agree, you aren't considering the children".

bots 24-07-2019 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10637503)
I can accept that purely in the context of this thread, I may have gone in a little hard based on past experiences of these threads. Past threads on these topics have gone in a distinctly angry general anti-trans direction. I know there'll be people who will argue that they haven't, but for me that's not an opinion that's going to change.

I also can't agree that a thread about an obviously extreme example of a disturbed individual works well to support a general point. Does it mean things need to be looked at? Maybe, as a tiny fragment of a much broader discussion, but this is not the "Gotcha!!" moment that people want it to be. That would be like seeing a story about a dog attacking a child and announcing that "clearly" the regulations around dog ownership must be changed "and if you don't agree, you aren't considering the children".

it may be an extreme example, but it shows the routes that are available and being used to exploit the system. To me this is exactly the same as Trump and his enabling of racists. When new routes are opened up to prey again on previously exploited groups, it has to be stamped out. No ifs or buts. To me, if these issues are not treated the same across the board, it shouts hypocrisy loud and clear.

Niamh. 24-07-2019 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10637503)
I can accept that purely in the context of this thread, I may have gone in a little hard based on past experiences of these threads. Past threads on these topics have gone in a distinctly angry general anti-trans direction. I know there'll be people who will argue that they haven't, but for me that's not an opinion that's going to change.

I also can't agree that a thread about an obviously extreme example of a disturbed individual works well to support a general point. Does it mean things need to be looked at? Maybe, as a tiny fragment of a much broader discussion, but this is not the "Gotcha!!" moment that people want it to be. That would be like seeing a story about a dog attacking a child and announcing that "clearly" the regulations around dog ownership must be changed "and if you don't agree, you aren't considering the children".

The dog example is flimsy considering you can also flip that to work the other way round. At the end of the day you're arguing, pretty much the same as Yaniv did in the interview I posted in the OP. Trans rights trump womens. Do women have the right to say NO? Nope, not anymore apparently. Under his eye


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