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Nicky91 16-08-2019 01:14 PM

Corbyn attack to stop the disastrous no deal brexit and response from other MP's
 





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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit

https://www.dw.com/en/jeremy-corbyn-...xit/a-50033187

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9058886.html

joeysteele 16-08-2019 01:34 PM

As leader of the opposition, like him or hate him.
He is the one who if a government lost a no confidence motion, to be the one to try to form a government.

He only intends to seek an extension from the EU for a general election to be held.
To add holding another EU vote too.

Lib Dem Jo Swinson could be the one who now ensures a no deal brexit.
Because if it stays as it is, she can't have the Lib Dens supporting a no confidence motion, which has to be tabled by Corbyn.
To then not have any extension with the EU.

If the country want no deal, then in the general election they will return a majority Con government.

If there's no extension with the EU, the Lib Dems will make no deal not possible but near certain by Swinson's current stance.

Twosugars 16-08-2019 01:54 PM

He's in his rights to try and put together an alternative government
Parliamentary democracy in action
Taking back control and all that :hee:

Swinson needs to get her priorities right

Kizzy 16-08-2019 02:01 PM

Absolutely right 2s, Aaron Bastani of Novara media posted on you tube of the lib dems 'support' for remain... when you peel away the words there's not been much action against the govts railroading towards a no deal brexit.

Kazanne 16-08-2019 02:25 PM

He was against the EU for most of his career , now suddenly he does a U Turn,is this guy for real ? he has seen an opportunity to get in number 10 and that's it , lol, he is so desperate to be PM .

Kizzy 16-08-2019 02:48 PM

He's not against the UK is he? that's who he's proposing doing the deal for...it's a strictly time limited offer to facilitate brexit, where's the harm? Nobody else has managed it, this would be with cross party support a very democratic decision :/

Scarlett. 16-08-2019 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10659666)
He was against the EU for most of his career , now suddenly he does a U Turn,is this guy for real ? he has seen an opportunity to get in number 10 and that's it , lol, he is so desperate to be PM .

He's against no deal, as everyone should be. No deal would be disastrous for the UK

Withano 16-08-2019 03:49 PM

A man who doesn’t want the country to go to ****? This won’t go down well with brexiteers. Hope you all got your winter coats ready, the snowflakes are coming.

arista 16-08-2019 04:16 PM

He does not have every Labour MP
backing him.
LibDem leader will not let he become Temp PM.

arista 16-08-2019 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10659649)
He's in his rights to try and put together an alternative government
Parliamentary democracy in action
Taking back control and all that :hee:

Swinson needs to get her priorities right


She wants Another Labour MP
or Conservative Kenneth Clarke

Nicky91 16-08-2019 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10659723)
He does not have every Labour MP
backing him.
LibDem leader will not let he become Temp PM.

well someone has to do god's work and stop the delusional brexiteers (who stupidly think britain is still an empire, which they aren't anymore)

no deal brexit is a disaster, i agree with Jeremy, the only ones who won't suffer with no deal brexit are the british elite ;) the selfish british elite who only think about themselves, and not the middle class british people

Twosugars 16-08-2019 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10659725)
She wants Another Labour MP
or Conservative Kenneth Clarke

And I want a star from heaven

Politics is compromise sometimes

arista 16-08-2019 04:29 PM

Even the small party Change UK
will not support Corbyn.
Also DUP will not support Corbyn

So many against is plan.

Twosugars 16-08-2019 04:43 PM

Party politics before national interest
Typical

joeysteele 16-08-2019 04:44 PM

Spot on Nicky and Kizzy..

Next to no Labour voters wanted or want no deal.
More Labour voters voted remain than leave.
Parliament doesn't want a no deal.

Hardly desperate to be PM.
That's more a charge to be levelled at Johnson who has backstabbed the last 2 Prime Ministers to get there.

Corbyn would be voting himself out of office almost as soon as he was PM.

This lot won't listen that no deal isn't wanted.

Every other party, bar the sectarian extreme DUP, want Corbyn to table the no confidence motion.
No one else can.

He'd then get an extension from the EU, then call for a general election.
Which he could lose.

His is a good plan, it could kill no deal once and for all.
It just may pull the UK back from the brink of chaos, this extreme hard-line Cabinet are insisting on taking us to, no matter the consequences.

He'd be PM a very short time.
Desperate, his unfair critics are that more than he is.

I don't care for him but this plan, is, one of the easiest and best ways to bring a halt to no deal before end of October.
In fact, it's one if his better ideas.

It's just sad the UK has a PM and Cabinet, hell bent on ignoring all the more moderate voices, inside and out of Parliament.
Many of whom have both ways changed their stance on being in the EU.

bots 16-08-2019 04:51 PM

May repeated over and over before the last GE that no deal was better than a bad deal and she won the election. It's about a 50/50 split in the population. Parliament and business in the majority don't want a no deal.

The simplest solution and the one most likely to succeed is revoking article 50. It's much less messy than a no confidence vote. MP's don't want to admit it yet for obvious reasons, but that's what will be voted on eventually

Alf 16-08-2019 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10659728)
And I want a star from heaven

Politics is compromise sometimes

Which star, Marilyn Monroe?

joeysteele 16-08-2019 10:58 PM

Theresa May did not win the last election.
She actually lost her overall majority and the mandate given in ,2015.
She got the most votes and most seats but left unable to govern alone.

No other party in ,2017 canvassed on a no deal brexit.
None, not even the DUP.
57% of votes went to parties advocating a deal and not no deal at all.

In any event, she intended to get a deal and she did.
However all other Parties, a good number of her own party and the DUP voted against her.

I agree with bitontheslide, revoking article ,50 is the best thing.

The Cons will never vote for that and a number of Labour MPs and the DUP sadly won't either.

Which is why Corbyn's plan is one of the better ones.
However it is doomed due to the LibDems and the Independents.

So what next.
Ken Clarke leading a temporary coalition would infuriate the ERG group in the Cons.

I doubt Harriett Harman could unite either.

So it seems the Lib Dems while saying they would do anything it takes to stop no deal.
Aren't prepared to do anything at all.

They may be forced to look back at this period and see the bad choice they made here..

Twosugars 16-08-2019 11:25 PM

Hope they can compromise. Maybe pick someone relatively independent?

Kizzy 17-08-2019 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10660074)
Hope they can compromise. Maybe pick someone relatively independent?

It doesn't work like that, if there is a vote of no confidence in the pm then the leader of the party with the second largest majority asks to form an interim govt.
He wants exactly what the lib dems want, to me this is to personal they're not thinking whats best for the country at this moment.

Nicky91 17-08-2019 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10660197)
It doesn't work like that, if there is a vote of no confidence in the pm then the leader of the party with the second largest majority asks to form an interim govt.
He wants exactly what the lib dems want, to me this is to personal they're not thinking whats best for the country at this moment.

well a no deal brexit would be worst case scenario for britain

like even though you want to leave the EU, you'd at least want to hold on to some of the trade deals you got with europe

certain foods coming in, or wines or flowers

seriously the ''brexit mess'' continues to give me a headache how complicated it has gotten

arista 17-08-2019 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10660200)
well a no deal brexit would be worst case scenario for britain

like even though you want to leave the EU, you'd at least want to hold on to some of the trade deals you got with europe

certain foods coming in, or wines or flowers

seriously the ''brexit mess'' continues to give me a headache how complicated it has gotten


Sure and Germany
a nation soon to go into a
Recession will hate a "no deal"


But at least we will be out of the EU>

Nicky91 17-08-2019 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10660202)
Sure and Germany
a nation soon to go into a
Recession
will hate a "no deal"


But at least we will be out of the EU>

i don't believe that to be true, unless it comes from one of Germany's news sites, channels themselves

arista 17-08-2019 12:33 PM

This Whole Corbyn idea
is Crazy - Its No way a Government of Unity.

Even all the Remain Conservatives
are against Corbyn
he has No Unity.

bots 17-08-2019 12:41 PM

all the "national unity" governments proposed so far are led by people who want to remain in the eu so it's hardly unity.

Why don't they just call it what it is .... an unconstitutional grab for power

Twosugars 17-08-2019 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10660228)
all the "national unity" governments proposed so far are led by people who want to remain in the eu so it's hardly unity.

Why don't they just call it what it is .... an unconstitutional grab for power

why unconstitutional?
if a government loses confidence the second largest party has every right to try and form a new government
and the ref was advisory so a government could refuse to take that advice

all perfectly above board

bots 17-08-2019 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10660231)
why unconstitutional?
if a government loses confidence the second largest party has every right to try and form a new government
and the ref was advisory so a government could refuse to take that advice

all perfectly above board

of course it's unconstitutional. When the likes of Lucas, with no public support can try and form a government with a cabinet 100% women. Of course its unconstitutional when Clarke can become PM.

It's a power grab, nothing more. Corbyn doesn't have a mandate to govern. He has less seats than the tories.

If a government of national unity does come to pass there will be civil war in the UK, be in no doubt

arista 17-08-2019 01:29 PM

Yes Twosugars stop looking at this as a Remain
enforcement


Corbyn has far to many MP's against him

Kizzy 17-08-2019 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10660235)
of course it's unconstitutional. When the likes of Lucas, with no public support can try and form a government with a cabinet 100% women. Of course its unconstitutional when Clarke can become PM.

It's a power grab, nothing more. Corbyn doesn't have a mandate to govern. He has less seats than the tories.

If a government of national unity does come to pass there will be civil war in the UK, be in no doubt

There will be civil war just over 30% of the electorate those that voted in the referendum want no deal... as you said yourself the commons don't want it, business doesn't want it ... so who the heck does?!

Twosugars 17-08-2019 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10660235)
of course it's unconstitutional. When the likes of Lucas, with no public support can try and form a government with a cabinet 100% women. Of course its unconstitutional when Clarke can become PM.

It's a power grab, nothing more. Corbyn doesn't have a mandate to govern. He has less seats than the tories.

If a government of national unity does come to pass there will be civil war in the UK, be in no doubt

Civil war? :laugh: dont make me laugh. Who will fight, farage and some angry pensioners?
Civil disobedience doesn't have great track record in this country, people are too flegmatic

I repeat, if the biggest party loses confidence, the second biggest has every right to form a government and designate whoever has best chances as a PM

Twosugars 17-08-2019 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10660241)
Yes Twosugars stop looking at this as a Remain
enforcement


Corbyn has far to many MP's against him

I dont want a remain enforcement but a new referendum. And would accept its result.
At this point I dont even think remain is a serious option. A soft brexit is.
Clearly this country is not in a fit state to be an EU member any more.

Scarlett. 17-08-2019 01:57 PM

Yeah, at this point, I wish we'd just accept the deal so we can all move on, instead of this perpetual ****show.

Nicky91 17-08-2019 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10660245)
Civil war? :laugh: dont make me laugh. Who will fight, farage and some angry pensioners?
Civil disobedience doesn't have great track record in this country, people are too flegmatic

I repeat, if the biggest party loses confidence, the second biggest has every right to form a government and designate whoever has best chances as a PM

honestly brexiteers aren't just old people i recently found that one out

but most in his brexit party are the elite, also Farage having those grant sisters to draw in more youth is quite funny, how it feels like them reading manifesto scripts

also those sisters calling themselves among ''ordinary people'' is hilarious since not everyone in britain speaks that posh


but yeah anyway i will stop being ageist, since those who want brexit aren't just old people

and if they want a brexit, well they can have it, but they should be prepared of the negative consequences for the overall middle class british people who will struggle

Twosugars 17-08-2019 01:58 PM

Dia, you have the best sig :love:

Scarlett. 17-08-2019 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10660250)
Dia, you have the best sig :love:

Thankies :bouncy:

Twosugars 17-08-2019 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dia. (Post 10660252)
Thankies :bouncy:

It's beautiful...

arista 17-08-2019 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10660247)
I dont want a remain enforcement but a new referendum. And would accept its result.
At this point I dont even think remain is a serious option. A soft brexit is.
Clearly this country is not in a fit state to be an EU member any more.


You may
But Bloody LibDem Leader will not
if it is to leave etc.

arista 17-08-2019 03:14 PM

Working Class Stinking Rich Plumber
going mental.


Twosugars 17-08-2019 03:19 PM

Business dont want no deal
Unless they are currency speculators or hedge funds

What line of business are you in Arista?

Underscore 17-08-2019 03:55 PM

OKAY so

LABOUR called the Lib Dems Tories. LABOUR called the Tories fascists. LABOUR drove the Jewish MPs from their party, now they want remainers from the Tories and Lib Dems (as well as the ousted Jewish MPs) to back Corbyn?

It's called moral integrity. Corbyn has sat on his arse watching Brexit go on for three years and all the sudden sees a shift in what the electorate wants and now is blaming Lib Dems for trying to block an end to Brexit when we've been fighting against it for 3 years. We don't go with Labour because of integrity.


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