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arista 19-09-2019 02:03 AM

Canada PM Justin Trudeau : "Black Faced" Aladdin Photo from 2001
 
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/11744...jpg&name=small


Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wore brownface during
an 'Arabian Nights' school event in 2001,
a spokesperson for his party confirms
(Ref:CNN USA)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEyrMDuU...jpg&name=small


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEyrCYnX...jpg&name=small
Back in 2001

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49749851
[Speaking to journalists after the Time article was published, Mr Trudeau said
that he was dressed in the photo in an Aladdin costume at an Arabian Nights-themed gala.
He admitted that the photo was racist and said he recognised he "shouldn't have done it".]

Alf 19-09-2019 02:33 AM

What a racist.

He should probably resign. Don't think he will though, he likes his power too much.

MB. 19-09-2019 02:37 AM

Inexcusable, but it says a lot about Canada's political climate that this could easily lose him the upcoming election, when it wouldn't even be in the top five political scandals of the week if it were... a certain other world leader involved

Alf 19-09-2019 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MB. (Post 10680515)
Inexcusable, but it says a lot about Canada's political climate that this could easily lose him the upcoming election, when it wouldn't even be in the top five political scandals of the week if it were... a certain other world leader involved

In one small post, you've took the heat of Trudeau and passed it on to Trump. Or do you mean Boris?

That's a good trick, just not good enough to get past me.

MB. 19-09-2019 02:52 AM

Point proven

Alf 19-09-2019 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MB. (Post 10680517)
Point proven

What is your point?

Your point seemed to be, "don't look here people, nothing to see here, get back on the Trump and Boris case."

Alf 19-09-2019 03:02 AM

I actually don't care that he attended a fancy dress party 18 years ago. It's just funny to see these identity politics pushers get a taste of their own medicine.

Ammi 19-09-2019 04:18 AM

...He doesn’t in any way defend or excuse, he’s apologised unreservedly ...and that’s all he can do...

Alf 19-09-2019 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10680523)
...He doesn’t in any way defend or excuse, he’s apologised unreservedly ...and that’s all he can do...

Only because he's been caught out.

bots 19-09-2019 04:43 AM

The reason this is a big deal is simple. Trudeau is the one that is pushing anti discrimination and equal rights. It's at the forefront of his policies, so it is the height of hypocrisy.

He could have managed the situation by publishing the photo himself and apologising .... but he didn't.

This isn't the first dodgy thing he has done either, he has shown himself to be corrupt. People that set themselves up as being perfect, fall the hardest.

Ammi 19-09-2019 04:55 AM

...as MB said originally, it’s inexcusable and will most likely lose him the election...it’s not hypocrisy though if his integrity has travelled a journey in those years and if he has shown a balance of learning in his time in office, in his policies and his principles...I think this exceeds the statute of limitations in terms of hypocrisy, unless he had continued to display that lack of judgement...which does not appear to the world to be the case...

Ammi 19-09-2019 04:57 AM

...I actually think it’s positive progression when someone who once black-faced, is now focusing on anti discrimination...

Alf 19-09-2019 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10680528)
...I actually think it’s positive progression when someone who once black-faced, is now focusing on anti discrimination...

Progression for who? Progression for him. He's certainly progressed in your mind from being a guy who Blacks up (Brown face as the BBC are calling it), to a guy who has done something positive for progression with his actions. In the space of a few hours.

I've never Brown faced in my life. You can praise me for being even more positive for progression than Trudeau if you like.

Kizzy 19-09-2019 06:02 AM

How bizarre, right wing figures blackface as adults and there are excuses after excuses made for them.. however a progressive does as a student and for some reason it's inexcusable, why is this?
It doesn't make it any more wrong if the person who black faced up is now a progressive does it? By the same token someone on the right is not less wrong due to their inability to see acknowledge the offence caused.

Cherie 19-09-2019 06:14 AM

18 years ago would make him 29 so he hasn’t got the ‘I was young’ excuse on his side, bizarre

UserSince2005 19-09-2019 06:30 AM

the facade always falls on these liberal politicians who think they are holier than thou when really they are just ****ing nutcases.

As soon as i knew his father was once prime minster and he was born on this path rather than working hard for it, I realised this whole story line he had created for him being a new face him politics here to save the world was completely made up and as fake as he is.

Kizzy 19-09-2019 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10680538)
18 years ago would make him 29 so he hasn’t got the ‘I was young’ excuse on his side, bizarre

Is he that old? I didn't realise, he looks lovely *blush
Ok forget the age relation portion of my post, the point I am making there is still valid. It would be bizarre to dismiss the whole premise due to the age issue.

arista 19-09-2019 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10680525)
The reason this is a big deal is simple. Trudeau is the one that is pushing anti discrimination and equal rights. It's at the forefront of his policies, so it is the height of hypocrisy.

He could have managed the situation by publishing the photo himself and apologising .... but he didn't.

This isn't the first dodgy thing he has done either, he has shown himself to be corrupt. People that set themselves up as being perfect, fall the hardest.

Yes they are saying that alot on TV News USA

Cherie 19-09-2019 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10680543)
Is he that old? I didn't realise, he looks lovely *blush
Ok forget the age relation portion of my post, the point I am making there is still valid. It would be bizarre to dismiss the whole premise due to the age issue.

I don't know who these right wing adults are that black face, are they in the public eye and are they advising others on how not to discriminate is the point. Difficult to know who to trust when it comes to politics, are they in it for themselves and their ambition or do they really care

Kizzy 19-09-2019 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10680525)
The reason this is a big deal is simple. Trudeau is the one that is pushing anti discrimination and equal rights. It's at the forefront of his policies, so it is the height of hypocrisy.

He could have managed the situation by publishing the photo himself and apologising .... but he didn't.

This isn't the first dodgy thing he has done either, he has shown himself to be corrupt. People that set themselves up as being perfect, fall the hardest.

Why? This ties in with my post, why is it more wrong?
Nobody is perfect... this is the narrative that all progressives are holier than thou social justice warriors or pc snowflake virtue signallers!
So somehow when they cock up its 100 times worse than if you're some unapologetic alt right wing fascist who just doesn't care.
Thats the difference, we expect nothing more from them so we're not disappointed when it's found they're corrupt, and we should...everyone should be held to the same standard!

Alf 19-09-2019 07:07 AM

The picture was released by an American magazine by all accounts, The picture is almost certain to have been known of existing amongst Canadian journalists. So you have to wonder who's been covering it up? I imagine it was some people who's bank accounts got bigger.

user104658 19-09-2019 07:15 AM

18 years ago. Come on ffs.

I will freely admit that some of the things I did and said 18 years ago were utterly horrendous. I mean yes, I was only 16 so I do have the "just a kid" excuse but tbqfh I wasn't all that much better in my early 20's.

I honestly believe that (not including actual criminal activity) people should only be judged on the last 5 or so years of their life, UNLESS it is clear that the person hasn't changed. Which is why people would be all over it if it was other prominent figures like Boris or Trump. You can imagine them doing the same thing tomorrow and thinking nothing of it.

Cherie 19-09-2019 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10680555)
18 years ago. Come on ffs.

I will freely admit that some of the things I did and said 18 years ago were utterly horrendous. I mean yes, I was only 16 so I do have the "just a kid" excuse but tbqfh I wasn't all that much better in my early 20's.

I honestly believe that (not including actual criminal activity) people should only be judged on the last 5 or so years of their life, UNLESS it is clear that the person hasn't changed. Which is why people would be all over it if it was other prominent figures like Boris or Trump. You can imagine them doing the same thing tomorrow and thinking nothing of it.

Diversity and inclusion was on the curriculum 18 years ago when my kids started school, it's not a new thing

Kizzy 19-09-2019 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10680551)
I don't know who these right wing adults are that black face, are they in the public eye and are they advising others on how not to discriminate is the point. Difficult to know who to trust when it comes to politics, are they in it for themselves and their ambition or do they really care

I'm thinking of the Jim Davidson 'chalky' character, the use of 'tradition' as an excuse in the UK.
Also views like these...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffi...03de942972eaa/

Was he advising others how not to discriminate 18yrs ago, should his politics now make his past actions worse? As Ammi said is it not proof he's learnt and grown from his experience enough to now want to advise others today rather than scoff at the suggestion it's wrong or offensive?

bots 19-09-2019 07:50 AM

i view this in exactly the same light as when Gove was snorting coke and then cracking down on it when in power. The difference is that Trudeau is the leader of the nation. If he makes out that he is beyond reproach (which he has) then he must face the consequences when he is found out.

There are easy ways that he could have dealt with it. When he was running for office, he could have said he was not perfect etc etc, but he didn't, he came across as someone that was the perfect model citizen that everyone else should aspire to being. That was his usp for getting the job. Hence why it is much more of an issue now when he has been found out.

As Alf said, he has never black faced, neither have I. Why should Trudeau be considered a better person because he has supposedly changed his view now.

A previous murderer is always considered a murderer no matter how many years ago they committed the crime or how many "good deeds" they have done since

joeysteele 19-09-2019 08:06 AM

He has apologised, it was apparently at an Arabian nights event..
He went as Aladdin.

Yes, unwise, misguided and not sensitive to the issues then or now.

Odd it's surfaced now, however this is politics now.

I agree with Ammi, he's apologised unreservedly.
He can't do any more than that.

It's now for that Country's voters to decide how big an issue this is for them.

smudgie 19-09-2019 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 10680569)
He has apologised, it was apparently at an Arabian nights event..
He went as Aladdin.

Yes, unwise, misguided and not sensitive to the issues then or now.

Odd it's surfaced now, however this is politics now.

I agree with Ammi, he's apologised unreservedly.
He can't do any more than that.

It's now for that Country's voters to decide how big an issue this is for them.

Says it all really.
It was a themed party, had he been walking down the high street or attending parliament like that then it would warrant the attention and a sacking.:shrug:

Kizzy 19-09-2019 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10680568)
i view this in exactly the same light as when Gove was snorting coke and then cracking down on it when in power. The difference is that Trudeau is the leader of the nation. If he makes out that he is beyond reproach (which he has) then he must face the consequences when he is found out.

There are easy ways that he could have dealt with it. When he was running for office, he could have said he was not perfect etc etc, but he didn't, he came across as someone that was the perfect model citizen that everyone else should aspire to being. That was his usp for getting the job. Hence why it is much more of an issue now when he has been found out.

As Alf said, he has never black faced, neither have I. Why should Trudeau be considered a better person because he has supposedly changed his view now.

A previous murderer is always considered a murderer no matter how many years ago they committed the crime or how many "good deeds" they have done since

Where, where has he said he is beyond reproach or perfect? It is one aspect in a career, try to maintain some perspective please.
Nobody is suggesting he is a 'better person' than yourself or alf...you constructed this pillar and placed him on it bots :/

He didn't murder anyone...if you can't separate murder from theatrial misappropriation then that's your issue.

Thankyou for your reference to Gove it's a perfect comparison, law and order are pivotal to conservative values are they not? Then why was Gove snorting coke 10yrs before he became a minister and cracking down on others that do...He still has his job doesn't he, where's the impact on his career? Where's the screams of hypocrisy, has he not compromised his personal, professional and political ethics by breaking the law, what standard do we hold him to now?

Kazanne 19-09-2019 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10680519)
I actually don't care that he attended a fancy dress party 18 years ago. It's just funny to see these identity politics pushers get a taste of their own medicine.

I think I better stop wearing dark foundation Alf , I might get accused of racism,lol, it's all getting so stupid,like NONE of us on here have ever done anything dodgy when we were younger.:wavey:

Liam- 19-09-2019 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10680576)
I think I better stop wearing dark foundation Alf , I might get accused of racism,lol, it's all getting so stupid,like NONE of us on here have ever done anything dodgy when we were younger.:wavey:

Jesus :facepalm:

Not even remotely similar to blackface and you know it

Kazanne 19-09-2019 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10680577)
Jesus :facepalm:

Not even remotely similar to blackface and you know it

That's how stupid all this is.

MTVN 19-09-2019 08:55 AM

It wouldn't be such big news if he didn't like to make out he's the most woke politician ever

29 years old, son of a Prime Minister and teacher at leading private school.. not exactly a naive youngster

arista 19-09-2019 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10680513)
What a racist.

He should probably resign. Don't think he will though, he likes his power too much.


He is up for Election in a month.

Niamh. 19-09-2019 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10680580)
It wouldn't be such big news if he didn't like to make out he's the most woke politician ever

29 years old, son of a Prime Minister and teacher at leading private school.. not exactly a naive youngster

Yeah that's true enough

Kizzy 19-09-2019 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10680580)
It wouldn't be such big news if he didn't like to make out he's the most woke politician ever

29 years old, son of a Prime Minister and teacher at leading private school.. not exactly a naive youngster

Of course it would, that's how politics is now old pic.. old tweet.. how you eat a sandwich.
It's how you react that matters, if he'd have said 'meh' it seems that would have been more acceptable than issuing a full and frank apology :/

Alf 19-09-2019 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10680555)
18 years ago. Come on ffs.

I will freely admit that some of the things I did and said 18 years ago were utterly horrendous. I mean yes, I was only 16 so I do have the "just a kid" excuse but tbqfh I wasn't all that much better in my early 20's.

I honestly believe that (not including actual criminal activity) people should only be judged on the last 5 or so years of their life, UNLESS it is clear that the person hasn't changed. Which is why people would be all over it if it was other prominent figures like Boris or Trump. You can imagine them doing the same thing tomorrow and thinking nothing of it.

But 18 years ago, people were saying "you can't do that in this day and age, it's 2001 for God sake"

Kizzy 19-09-2019 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10680592)
But 18 years ago, people were saying "you can't do that in this day and age, it's 2001 for God sake"

Well yes it was around that time that's exactly what they did say and that's why since then it's rarely seen :/
Hence the apology.

Alf 19-09-2019 10:18 AM

What's the law on mud face packs, the ones you see ladies in spa's having, when their faces are made Brown with a slice of cucumber covering each eye, does that break the Brown face law? Are people allowed to take offence to that?

Cherie 19-09-2019 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10680563)
I'm thinking of the Jim Davidson 'chalky' character, the use of 'tradition' as an excuse in the UK.
Also views like these...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffi...03de942972eaa/

Was he advising others how not to discriminate 18yrs ago, should his politics now make his past actions worse? As Ammi said is it not proof he's learnt and grown from his experience enough to now want to advise others today rather than scoff at the suggestion it's wrong or offensive?

Jim Davidson must be in his 70s and he is a 'comedian' and his Chalky act as you said was in the 70s :laugh: this guy is the same age as you and me more or less, he did this in 2001! he was brought up in a political household, you would think he would know better? would you have blackfaced 18 years ago?

Kizzy 19-09-2019 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 10680599)
What's the law on mud face packs, the ones you see ladies in spa's having, when their faces are made Brown with a slice of cucumber covering each eye, does that break the Brown face law? Are people allowed to take offence to that?

No


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