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Ammi 23-10-2019 09:31 AM

39 people found dead inside lorry in Essex...
 
Police have arrested a lorry driver on suspicion of murder after 39 bodies were found in a container in Essex.

Essex Police said it was called by the ambulance service shortly before 1.40am on Wednesday following the discovery of a lorry container with people inside.

It is thought that they found the bodies of 38 adults and one teenager inside the container at Waterglade Industrial Park, Eastern Avenue, Grays.

All 39 people were pronounced dead at the scene.

Officers said the lorry had arrived in the UK from Bulgaria via Holyhead, North Wales on Saturday.

Police have arrested one 25-year-old man from Northern Ireland on suspicion of murder.

Chief Superintendent Andrew Mariner said: “This is a tragic incident where a large number of people have lost their lives. Our enquiries are ongoing to establish what has happened.

“We are in the process of identifying the victims, however I anticipate that this could be a lengthy process.

“We believe the lorry is from Bulgaria and entered the country at Holyhead on Saturday 19 October and we are working closely with our partners to investigate.

“We have arrested the lorry driver in connection with the incident who remains in police custody as our enquiries continue. I appreciate this cordon is going to disrupt the activity of local businesses in the area and we will work to ensure that disruption is kept as short as possible. We are working with Thurrock Council to mitigate against any impact our investigation scene will have locally.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-lau...084103954.html

arista 23-10-2019 09:32 AM

Northern Ireland Driver arrested over 39 dead illegal migrants Essex
 
From Bulgaria
he is 25 years old

https://news.sky.com/story/39-dead-b...essex-11842770

Cal. 23-10-2019 09:32 AM

Oh my gosh how horrifying.

So it arrived here Saturday but they were found dead still inside the lorry on Wednesday? :(

Cherie 23-10-2019 09:47 AM

Horrific, hope they died quickly

arista 23-10-2019 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10699947)
Horrific, hope they died quickly


No in a Lorry it would be slow
The Northern Irish Driver is 25
Police will try to find , who else is involved in this
Illegal migrant deaths

arista 23-10-2019 10:06 AM

https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/s...20191023103128

smudgie 23-10-2019 10:10 AM

Tragic :sad:

user104658 23-10-2019 10:20 AM

Horrific for those poor people, and for the attending officers and paramedics.

Nicky91 23-10-2019 10:24 AM

Tragic :(, but anyway why would they suspect the driver, for all we know they might've been stowaways and he was unaware they were inside

just heard it on our local brabant radio during lunch

Kazanne 23-10-2019 10:26 AM

Anyone know how they died ? was it carbon monoxide poisoning,seems a large group of people to die. its tragic .

arista 23-10-2019 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10699971)
Anyone know how they died ? was it carbon monoxide poisoning,seems a large group of people to die. its tragic .


Massive Truck
could be a fridge unit ?

Ammi 23-10-2019 10:31 AM

...their carriage to a more hopeful life became their coffin...I wonder if they were given food and water on their journey...

Niamh. 23-10-2019 10:34 AM

Awful, so sad people feel the need to put themselves in so much danger in search of a better life. We don't know how lucky (and it is pure luck, I think people would do well to remember that sometimes) we are to have been born on this side of the world

arista 23-10-2019 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10699976)
...their carriage to a more hopeful life became their coffin...I wonder if they were given food and water on their journey...


I think the migrants
take their own water bottles

Ammi 23-10-2019 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10699979)
Awful, so sad people feel the need to put themselves in so much danger in search of a better life. We don't know how lucky (and it is pure luck, I think people would do well to remember that sometimes) we are to have been born on this side of the world

...I was just thinking similar last night when i was watching some footage in Turkey atm...horrendous and a world we can’t even conceive...

Niamh. 23-10-2019 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10699981)
...I was just thinking similar last night when i was watching some footage in Turkey atm...horrendous and a world we can’t even conceive...

Absolutely, it's very easy to stand back and dehumanise what we can't even comprehend but it could easily have been any one of us here too, we don't get to choose who or where our parents are

Ammi 23-10-2019 10:50 AM

...one of the people was a teenager...I wonder if their families will be able to be located and notified of their deaths...or if they’ll never know..:sad:..it’s terribly sad...

Livia 23-10-2019 10:52 AM

Some scumbags made a fortune from those people. Anyone caught trafficking people for any reason should spend the rest of their life in prison.

Eddie. 23-10-2019 10:56 AM

Wow 39. A number that's difficult to fathom...

user104658 23-10-2019 11:59 AM

Honestly (very grim thought) it makes me wonder how many "smuggling" gangs out there even bother making the journey. I would imagine there are groups out there taking people's money, loading them into a truck and driving them straight to a hole in the ground.

The whole situation is just abysmal.

Nicky91 23-10-2019 12:07 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_smuggling

here's a wikipedia article about people smuggling, human trafficking

Quote:

The complexity of the smuggling network is dependent upon the route to be taken and the nature of the journey. For routes that are well-known and tested, smugglers may function more as family enterprises and utilize fairly contained operations. The more complex the route, however, the more members of the smuggling network must be recruited. In general, the infrastructure of the people smuggling business is nontraditional, with no clearly identifiable organization and no rigid structure. The network of smugglers is diffused and decentralized. Smugglers form temporary business alliances, and the organization of smugglers can best be understood and described as ad hoc task forces, in which activities are specialized and controlled by individuals that deal with each other on a one-to-one basis. In the business of people smuggling, there is no single "godfather" figure who commands the activities of subordinates; rather, individuals conduct business on equal grounds and tend to consider themselves free agents. In fact, according to a Los Angeles-based smuggler, "The division of labor is really clear and refined. Everyone involved is useful in his own way and does his own thing only. There is no leadership in any smuggling rings. Leadership will not emerge because the work involved is so specialized".
Quote:

Over the years, smuggling has evolved into a sophisticated service industry, with certain routes and enclaves used by smugglers becoming practically institutionalized; for example: from Mexico and Central America to the United States, from West Asia through Greece and Turkey to Western Europe, and within East and Southeast Asia. Responsible for the flourishing business of people smuggling are a combination of interacting factors, from weak legislation and lax border controls to corrupt officials and the power of organized crime.
Quote:

More specifically, below are three main technical differences between smuggling and trafficking, which are as follows:

- Consent - trafficking victims are those who have been subjected to coercive, deceptive, or abusive action by traffickers. These victims either never consented, or if they did, their initial consent is rendered meaningless by the subsequent actions of the traffickers.

- Exploitation - smuggling operations and interaction between smuggler and customer usually terminate upon payment and arrival at destination; trafficking victims, on the other hand, are often involved in a cycle of ongoing exploitation.

- Source of Profits - primary profits from smuggling operations are derived from transportation and facilitation of illegal entry or stay in another country, whereas trafficking operations profit largely from the exploitation of victims.
.

arista 23-10-2019 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10700029)
Honestly (very grim thought) it makes me wonder how many "smuggling" gangs out there even bother making the journey. I would imagine there are groups out there taking people's money, loading them into a truck and driving them straight to a hole in the ground.

The whole situation is just abysmal.



Its was reported
the Massive Lorry went to Dublin
by sea, then to Wales
then to Essex.

So many hours
sealed in that Lorry.

Oliver_W 23-10-2019 02:05 PM

"Murder"? Surely it's more likely they were just stowaways who didn't survive the journey?

arista 23-10-2019 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10700071)
"Murder"? Surely it's more likely they were just stowaways who didn't survive the journey?


The Police seem to have other evidence
soon to come out.

Tom4784 23-10-2019 02:21 PM

Horrific. I can't imagine it being an accident if the driver's been charged with murder.

Oliver_W 23-10-2019 02:21 PM

Evidently we need to make it so illegals can't force their way into vehicles heading this way, so as to preserve their lives.

RIP to them

Kizzy 23-10-2019 02:23 PM

I think it would have been quick, in a metal box they wouldve run out if oxygen :( awful thing to happen I really hope the driver wasn't aware they were stowing away.

Niamh. 23-10-2019 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10700071)
"Murder"? Surely it's more likely they were just stowaways who didn't survive the journey?

I seriously doubt you'd get 39 stoways in your truck without knowing about it

Tom4784 23-10-2019 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10700074)
Evidently we need to make it so illegals can't force their way into vehicles heading this way, so as to preserve their lives.

RIP to them

It's a bit gross to frame this story like that.

If they were stowaways on a randomer's truck then the driver wouldn't have been arrested for murder. It's very grim to use this story to push an agenda that places blame on the victims themselves.

bots 23-10-2019 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10700074)
Evidently we need to make it so illegals can't force their way into vehicles heading this way, so as to preserve their lives.

RIP to them

Drivers will collect a lot of cash for sneaking in illegal immigrants

Drivers have a responsibility for ensuring they have no illegals on board. It's a big fine otherwise. It's easy enough for a driver to check the integrity of their vehicle

Cherie 23-10-2019 02:59 PM

Hard to understand how the driver of the lorry wouldn't have known the unit was sealed airtight

Ammi 23-10-2019 03:12 PM

...there is one report saying it was a ‘chiller lorry’ with an inside temperature of minus 25 degrees...

Cherie 23-10-2019 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10700101)
...there is one report saying it was a ‘chiller lorry’ with an inside temperature of minus 25 degrees...

If that is the case though, what did the driver think he was going to do with guaranteed 39 dead bodies, I think maybe the chiller bit was off but he didn't factor in that they would run out of air or something :shrug: which is very odd but I cant imagine that he loaded up 39 took the cash and then thought he would wing it with 39 bodies at the other end

The lorry went straight from Zeebrugge to Purfleet, it did not go via Ireland

Twosugars 23-10-2019 03:40 PM

A 25-year-old driver from Northern Ireland was arrested on suspicion of murder.

Local police and community sources told the Guardian that the arrested man was believed to be Mo Robinson, from Portadown, County Armagh. Essex police declined to comment.

Twosugars 23-10-2019 03:43 PM

On Wednesday afternoon the Bulgarian ministry of foreign affairs said the truck was registered in the coastal town of Varna. It was registered under the name of a company owned by a female Irish citizen, Reuters reported.


The victims, found at the Waterglade industrial park in Grays, were all adults apart from one teenager, Essex police said.

Cherie 23-10-2019 03:44 PM

Not that keen on naming anyone without confirmation from the police if I am honest

arista 23-10-2019 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10700119)
A 25-year-old driver from Northern Ireland was arrested on suspicion of murder.

Local police and community sources told the Guardian that the arrested man was believed to be Mo Robinson, from Portadown, County Armagh. Essex police declined to comment.



https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/s...20191023160424
The Evil Driver , making Extra Cash

Twosugars 23-10-2019 03:50 PM

Dont know about evil Arista. But certainly stupid and greedy.
Wonder if it was his first time or there was a regular shuttle service going on from Bulgaria.
It is close to Turkey and the refugee route from the middle east

Cherie 23-10-2019 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10700123)
https://e3.365dm.com/19/10/768x432/s...20191023160424
The Evil Driver , making Extra Cash

:nono: the police have just asked people not to speculate as to his identity, he might be completely innocent apart from not doing his job very well

arista 23-10-2019 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10700127)
:nono: the police have just asked people not to speculate as to his identity, he might be completely innocent apart from not doing his job very well


Sod The Police
they work Slow


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