The Grenfell inquiry..phase one 1000 page document released to victims families.
 

But they had to sign a non disclosure before they were allowed the documents..

Blame being put on the firefighters with regard to the stay put policy

The conclusion of the report: More lives could have been saved if the Tower had been evacuated sooner

The correct conclusion

All lives would have been saved if the illegal cladding wasn't on the building

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartandhp


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he London fire brigade’s readiness for the Grenfell Tower fire was “gravely inadequate” and fewer people would have died if it had been better prepared, a long-awaited public inquiry report into the disaster that killed 72 people has concluded.
The report into the biggest single loss of life in London since the second world war also ruled that the building had been refurbished in breach of safety regulations and that contrary to the evidence so far of the cladding panel manufacturer, Arconic, “the principal reason why the flames spread so rapidly up the building” was its aluminium composite panels and the “melting and dripping of burning polyethylene”.


why would they be prepared for illegal cladding?

Yes the Lady Fire Chief
is standing down

She should have told them all to leave

That is phase 2 of the report...phase 1 was only about the events on the night.

Which are not looking good for the London fire brigade.

If you have ever had anything done to your house vis a vis an extension or such like, building regs are so tight around firedoors, fireproof this, fireproof that, smoke detectors on all levels that have to be linked into the wiring system and backed up with a battery, in all seriousness how on earth would they have known the cladding would be flammable?

yes maybe they should have evacuated earlier but their policy is to stay put due to the building construction....and I assume like everyone else they would have assumed cladding was to a legal requirement

its not down to the fire brigade that the smoke detectors, were not working and that there was only one way out.... all of which the residents had highlighted with the management company for years previously

In a nutshell, disgraceful how they're trying to blame the fire service who were no doubt only following procedure for a building that should have been up to standard

Confused about the content of that tweet. The tweet says that the council asked the assessor to bury the report... the linked article says that the assessor advised the council that they could bury the report.

"Mr Stokes advised the organisation that they did not have to disclose safety risks and risk being obliged to deploy expensive “additional fire safety measures”, the Mail on Sunday reported."

I posted it for the article not the tweet, so I'd take the info from there.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

Firefighters have accused the Grenfell Tower public inquiry of injustice by focusing on the shortcomings of rank and file officers while failing to scrutinise those in power, including the prime minister, Boris Johnson, who oversaw firefighting in London for eight years as mayor.
Matt Wrack, the general secretary of the Fire Brigades Union, said on Tuesday that it was “unfair and unjust” that firefighters were being publicly scrutinised in the long-awaited report being published this week, while political leaders were not.
Johnson said on Tuesday night that the report revealed “the truth about what happened at Grenfell tower on 14 June 2017”, and would bring comfort “to those who suffered so much”.

I doubt that very much

Seems like a very corrupt report to me. I am sure there are many lessons to be learned by the emergency services, but that's the extent of the responsibility. As the name suggests, it is a service that is utilised once an emergency has occurred. It would be the same as if the fire fighters were blamed for 9/11

Cold blooded bastards, the lot of them.

I think it's unfair that the London fire brigade as a whole is coming under criticism, but the person in charge on the night obviously didn't understand fire...so how they got the job in the first place can only be put down to how they talk the talk..sadly, they couldn't walk the walk.

Yes Bang On Right
they were not in the Loop.
The 999 people were not updated
not in the loop

It's so unfair them blaming the Fire service when they were the ones that put their lives at risk,surely they should be targeting the council , lack of sprinklers , cheap cladding etc, the blame game will not bring anyone back but surely the people in charge of that building and it's upkeep should be culpable .

I have no words... it's like a month python sketch in its preposterousness.

Who in their right mind given what we know of the errors in the refurbishment of grenfell and the concern of the residents in the weeks leading up to the fire would blam the fire service?!

Everyone I've spoke to has said the same. ..cover up.

Almost all the survivors are blaming the fire service I'm afraid.

Stay put advice is counterintuitive tbf

...the thing is...the survivors and their families are not blaming the Fire Service, though...they’re rightfully looking at fault/blame being apportioned where it needs to be ...which obviously looks at the ‘stay put’ instruction of the Fire Service as well...but there is also frustration because the cladding and design of the building is a huge blame/fault in this ...but it’s going to be quite some time before that report is put together...the two parts of this report should surely have come together as a complete, which would complete the blame/faults that the survivors feel and have expressed...I can’t see why it couldn’t have been done that way...but this way has a long, long time to settle in the public thoughts that the Fire Service are at fault, before the full context of the report is revealed...my heart breaks for those firefighters of how intentionally divisive this seems to be...

Infuriating that the brave Men and Women who risked their lives that night are being thrown under the bus it seems. The people know the truth regardless. RBKC and The Tory party will forever have blood on their hands and they can try cover up their neglect whichever way they like, they can’t hide from the truth.

I would imagine it isn't if the building is up to regulation, which the fire service would naturally assume it was since it's a social housing building

If they really had to split the delivery of the report, and not sure why it was necessary, the report on the building, its condition, and what is was wrapped in should have come first, it was the building that caught fire

...I still find it incredible that part 2 of a two part report is released without any context of part 1 ..which couldn’t be more relevant to lead to the fire fighting...it’s like giving half the second half of a story and then having to wait around a year for the first half...?...I can’t see that it’s been done for any other reason than to plant the seeds of ‘fire service at blame..’...in the minds of the public...it’s quite despicable and extremely unfair...

One fire fighter amazed me last night..he was telling a story about going up to the 5th floor and having to turn back, as he was going back down the stairs he stood on 2 people and dragged them out saving them from certain death...the only thing he was bothered about was the fact he was tasked with going up to check a house on the 13th floor and didn't make it up to the 13th floor to save those people.

Why though... all fire services have contingency plans to aid their preparedness, that sit and wait decision is a very common part of the response.
However seeing as the nature of the fire it didn't behave like an average high rise fire, but this can't have been known as the fire spread much more rapidly than it would ordinarily do.
I can't believe that the focus is on the fire service, Revolting!!

You can't blame anyone else yet, this enquiry was about the events on the night...and I'm sorry to be blunt.....


But if you still tell people to remain in their house when you see that building going up like that from a safe distance..as firemen are reporting back to you that they can't reach the floor they were directed to go to because of certain things.....

Im sorry...but you have condemned those people to death, perhaps you may have known that if you said evacuate, you may have had another sort of catastrophe on your hands.


But sadly I would think most people were dead before a flame touched them..

And very goulishly, I think we should all be thankful to someone that the number wern'tt as high as the maths may assume...so on that basis, you got to imagine that some people just left the building as soon as they noticed. While others remained....

Blame the torys all you want...but labour refuted looking into the stay put policy in the 2 tragedies before grenfell.

Jfc, he’s a foul creature ain’t he

Rather insensitive but he does have a point...Im pretty sure I would have been making my own way out no matter what I was told.

The stairways were full of bodies because people did try and escape the building.

293 people were in the building when the fire started...231 escaped..


Most victims were vapourised in thier rooms in temperatures reaching over 1000 degree.

What a despicable creature mogg is
What about the old, children and disabled? What about those cut off by flames and confused by smoke?

What he failed to understand was this is a tower block with 30 floors if everyone stampeded out there could have been even more deaths, also the stairwell was full of smoke so if you were high up you could have died of smoke inhalation as many needed oxegen to get out alive.... yes of course if you were on the ground, first, second or third but as you got higher up, if you were infirm, disabled, had young kids..... absolute monster he is