I keep finding myself being addressed as 'cis' in debates....
 

usually spat with venom, as if being the gender i was born as is a bad thing.

Anyway, before i knew what cis meant, i had to look it up -


https://young.scot/get-informed/nati...identity-terms

Some the terms are perfectly reasonable, but some are just utterly ridiculous imo, and complete overkill.

On the other hand, I'm cisgender and would like to think that I can accept that fact without thinking it makes me some kind of victim (...of what? the existence of trans people?)

It's the same with any majority; if a white person thinks they're victimised by being referred to as white, then it's probably the white person's problem and nobody else's... sure, cisgender is a relatively newer term than most, but so is scientific acknowledgement that transgender people exist in the first place

Either that or you're debating effeminate gays who can't stop calling you 'sis'

Nah im not really ar*ed if people wanna call me cis or whatever, i just think some of the terms are rather humours and could be very easily exploited. If im cis im cis, idk lol.

can I ask what you want to achieve by making this thread

Well im curious on how some of these terms, like gender fluid for example can't be, and aren't exploited?

But those terms are exploited... :unsure:

Sorry swan..I meant sis..my spellchecker and reading glasses fault, not mine.

The clap emoji wouldn’t do this justice
This is an excellent post.

Tea

I used that term while replying to some of your post because there happens to be a lot of trans men in the world who are straight and white and not gay but don't have the same privilege as a cis guy.

A lot of them seem to mean the same sort of thing

What privilege are they missing out on, in your opinion?

(I actually agree with you, but I have reasoning behind it, and I'd be interested to see what yours is)

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

Not all women are ciswomen. It’s a word to differentiate you from a transwoman as “woman” alone doesn’t actually do that...

Yes, I don’t see the point.
I have never felt the urge to have to tell anyone in passing I am a woman, never mind yet another label, a cis woman.:shrug:

My understanding is it only applies when discussing trans issues.

And I dont have a problem with being called a cis man.


The same like I dont object to being called caucasian to describe my race.
Never even been to Caucasus :)

The voice of reason again :wavey:

Therefore you are a cis woman, it’s the same thing.

Cisgender isn’t some derogatory label given to non-trans people by trans people it’s literally just what someone who identifies the same as what they were born is called.

Thank you Morgan, but I don't need another word or term.

I can't believe people are refusing to accept being called what they are. In an ideal world it wouldn't matter if people were cis or not, but it does because people who aren't cis are often treated differently because of that fact. If you say you're not cis then it means you don't identify 100% with the gender you were assigned at birth.

I prefer born woman. It takes the same amount of time to say, and I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am. Trans woman, born women, worth the same, but are different.

i think it very much depends what your social circle is. The term cis just isn't used in my social circle, and the only place i have ever seen it used is on this forum, which is pretty ironic really given that posters are anonymous and we have no idea what sex or gender anyone is

Why don't you have the same attitude about every other Latin word that's used in speech? Bizarre.

Unless you've ever used the word female, that is

Do you call yourself caucasian in your circle?

It's the same type of a thing, only applies when needed for differentiation

What privilege do you think men have that transmen don't?

And they call us snowflakes :laugh3:

:joker: It's ridiculous

A Christmas present for all who feel victimised by a certain Latin word beginning with the letter C :love:

https://puu.sh/ES9JF/0096882c4c.jpg

I think you’ll find born woman takes 0.87457692 more seconds to say than cis

I'll answer the question for you as you don't seem to know :)

Cis men have an advantage over transmen because the former were raised with male socialisation; like it or not we the world is still a patriarchy, and people raised as men have an advantage. That's also why transwomen have privilege over women.

Yeah, trans women are more privileged than me even though a lot of people won't even let them go to the bathroom that they feel more comfortable using in peace. Great point. :rolleyes:

They have been socialised as males, and so have the first foot when it comes to advancing through the world. Transwomen are biologically male, and some women don't want any males in their own spaces. Would you say someone like Boris Johnson is lacking privilege because he can't use the same bathroom as you?

If Boris felt more comfortable using the "ladies" bathroom then I'd have no issue with it and I think it would be silly to deny him of it.

If a trans woman passes what’s stopping them from experiencing misogyny like a cis woman? Do you think people go around asking what chromosomes someone has before treating them like ****? And that’s excluding all the issues trans people deal with specifically..

I want address this post and make perfectly clear im not bothered if certain people want to label me, or other white males with 'cis or sis (i don't even know the right one now, some people are saying cis, others are saying sis)'. I was just interested how some of the terms can realistically work? It has nothing to do with being victim, although some people seem determined to read 'im a victim' into any post from a 'cis gender' to suit their own agenda.

I don't personally identify as 'cis' because imo it's just more unnecessary, and unneeded PC nonsense. That doesn't mean to say im against those who identify in whatever they see fitting for them.

Some terms are just silly though.

It's just a short term for "born as male/female" :shrug: I don't get how that's PC? It seems literally anything remotely related to transpeople is just labelled as PC.

Also, you know what, I'd love for some members on here to walk a week in a transperson's shoes and see how privileged they feel. Gotta love that feeling of the government wanting to limit your rights, that feeling of constant threat from bigotted people who'd love to beat you to a pulp for simply being who you want to be. Also, generally I see the idea that "transpeople want to be a man/woman" and actually, no, we just want to be ourselves, we don't want to copy another person's personality.

What forms of misogyny do you think they might face? It's hard to answer that question without knowing what you mean.