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Smithy 17-04-2020 12:32 PM

UK spent $20 million on Corona Tests that didn’t work
 
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The two Chinese companies were offering a risky proposition: two million home test kits said to detect antibodies for the coronavirus for at least $20 million, take it or leave it.

The asking price was high, the technology was unproven and the money had to be paid upfront. And the buyer would be required to pick up the crate loads of test kits from a facility in China.

Yet British officials took the deal, according to a senior civil servant involved, then confidently promised tests would be available at pharmacies in as little as two weeks. “As simple as a pregnancy test,” gushed Prime Minister Boris Johnson. “It has the potential to be a total game changer.”

There was one problem, however. The tests did not work.

Found to be insufficiently accurate by a laboratory at Oxford University, half a million of the tests are now gathering dust in storage. Another 1.5 million bought at a similar price from other sources have also gone unused. The fiasco has left embarrassed British officials scrambling to get back at least some of the money.

Full story: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.n...st-uk.amp.html

Omg :facepalm:

arista 17-04-2020 12:34 PM

Yes bad luck

user104658 17-04-2020 12:56 PM

20 million is pocket change in terms of government budgets though. It sounds like a lot of money, but it really isn't.

DouglasS 17-04-2020 12:58 PM

It’s a new virus and a pandemic. Had they not taken the risk/opportunity the exact same people would say they were stupid/careless and endangering people’s lives by not acting

Livia 17-04-2020 01:01 PM

*UK spent $20 million on corona test that didn’t work.
*Trump halts WHO funding over handling of corona
*Figures now predict UK will pass Italy in total covid deaths
*Government DELIBERATELY did not take part in EU Coronavirus scheme
*Government ignored advice to set up emergency alert system

I'm going to guess that Smithy is a glass half empty kinda guy.

smudgie 17-04-2020 01:02 PM

People are still moaning about the testing abilities.
It would be far worse if no risks were taken in finding them.

arista 17-04-2020 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10825554)
20 million is pocket change in terms of government budgets though. It sounds like a lot of money, but it really isn't.


Yes just another bad day

arista 17-04-2020 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10825556)
*UK spent $20 million on corona test that didn’t work.
*Trump halts WHO funding over handling of corona
*Figures now predict UK will pass Italy in total covid deaths
*Government DELIBERATELY did not take part in EU Coronavirus scheme
*Government ignored advice to set up emergency alert system

I'm going to guess that Smithy is a glass half empty kinda guy.

He is Trying to stay sharp.

Kizzy 17-04-2020 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10825554)
20 million is pocket change in terms of government budgets though. It sounds like a lot of money, but it really isn't.

Is that the only response you have to such a mishandling of public funds?.. This is not pocket change, it's not their own private stash it's dedicated funding that has been wasted on snake oil.
How many ventilators would that have bought, how many peices of PPE?

Sorry to make an issue of your comment but excusing the govt of a gaffe like that is honestly Priti Patel level explanation.

Kizzy 17-04-2020 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10825556)
*UK spent $20 million on corona test that didn’t work.
*Trump halts WHO funding over handling of corona
*Figures now predict UK will pass Italy in total covid deaths
*Government DELIBERATELY did not take part in EU Coronavirus scheme
*Government ignored advice to set up emergency alert system

I'm going to guess that Smithy is a glass half empty kinda guy.

I'm gonna guess that you haven't contributed anything to any of those threads that isn't a personal snipe.

Smithy 17-04-2020 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10825556)
*UK spent $20 million on corona test that didn’t work.
*Trump halts WHO funding over handling of corona
*Figures now predict UK will pass Italy in total covid deaths
*Government DELIBERATELY did not take part in EU Coronavirus scheme
*Government ignored advice to set up emergency alert system

I'm going to guess that Smithy is a glass half empty kinda guy.

As soon as we start getting some good news I’ll post it :pipe:

Smithy 17-04-2020 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10825554)
20 million is pocket change in terms of government budgets though. It sounds like a lot of money, but it really isn't.

20 million would make a massive difference to some NHS services that don’t even have basic PPE...

user104658 17-04-2020 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10825586)
Is that the only response you have to such a mishandling of public funds?.. This is not pocket change, it's not their own private stash it's dedicated funding that has been wasted on snake oil.

How many ventilators would that have bought, how many peices of PPE?



Sorry to make an issue of your comment but excusing the govt of a gaffe like that is honestly Priti Patel level explanation.

It's not a mishandling though, they didn't know the tests were crap until after they had them, so it was a gamble that didn't pay off. A very small gamble that seems worth the risk.

Again, the problem with ventilators and PPE is not the cost, it's how quickly it can be produced and distributed. I know there are celebrities throwing money at it and expecting that to solve the problem, because people are used to money solving problems, but in this case it really isn't about how much is being spent.

I'm obviously not mr-defend-the-government... They should have had stockpiles of things like PPE ready to go in an emergency... But they didn't, and now the problem is not how much they're willing to spend on it. It isn't there to buy.

user104658 17-04-2020 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10825606)
20 million would make a massive difference to some NHS services that don’t even have basic PPE...

No it wouldn't.

Kizzy 17-04-2020 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10825607)
It's not a mishandling though, they didn't know the tests were crap until after they had them, so it was a gamble that didn't pay off. A very small gamble that seems worth the risk.

Again, the problem with ventilators and PPE is not the cost, it's how quickly it can be produced and distributed. I know there are celebrities throwing money at it and expecting that to solve the problem, because people are used to money solving problems, but in this case it really isn't about how much is being spent.

I'm obviously not mr-defend-the-government... They should have had stockpiles of things like PPE ready to go in an emergency... But they didn't, and now the problem is not how much they're willing to spend on it. It isn't there to buy.

It was not a small gamble it was a stupid misinformed, ill judged and incompetent mistake. All the advise surrounding these antigen tests at the time said they were not effective and we bought them anyway. In what universe is that worth the risk?
There is PPE to buy TS, i dont agree sorry how that detracts from the useless tests I don't know, it's like sending a kid to a shop for stock cubes for gran and they come back with durex!

Kizzy 17-04-2020 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10825608)
No it wouldn't.

It would, ask the carers in homes where there have been up to 15 deaths if they would appreciate a proportion of that to protect themselves.

Smithy 17-04-2020 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10825608)
No it wouldn't.

I don’t think you’re in any position to say that, the people on the front line would definitely feel differently

bots 17-04-2020 03:27 PM

So, would spending money paying for researching a vaccine also be a complete waste of money if it didn't pan out with a result?

We invested in several anti body tests, it turns out that none of them work. Every country around the world has been buying the same or similar tests, none of them work, so i guess they are all bad guys too

Cherie 17-04-2020 03:39 PM

Its not like they spent 20 mil knowing they didn't work, they took a gamble which would have paid off if it did work...onwards and upwards

Cherie 17-04-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10825630)
I don’t think you’re in any position to say that, the people on the front line would definitely feel differently

The point TS is making is that its not a lack of money, its a lack of the equipment, bit like you heading out for Toilet roll a few weeks ago, you had the cash but there was none to be found, hence the need to include companies like Burberry in the making of gowns and masks

Kazanne 17-04-2020 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DouglasS (Post 10825555)
It’s a new virus and a pandemic. Had they not taken the risk/opportunity the exact same people would say they were stupid/careless and endangering people’s lives by not acting

Exactly Douglas,they cant do right for doing wrong.

user104658 17-04-2020 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10825630)
I don’t think you’re in any position to say that, the people on the front line would definitely feel differently

I am in a position to say that; my wife works in the NHS. They have money to buy PPE, they have orders in for PPE, there is such a high demand for PPE that they can't supply it fast enough to meet demand. That is the current situation. There is nowhere that's going without PPE "because they can't afford it".

Cherie has given the best allegory really. A month ago you could have gone to Tesco with £1000 in your pocket - you still weren't leaving with a 9 pack of Andrex, because they didn't have any. You could have gone with a million pounds. The problem is supply.

Like I said I think people are just very used to being able to solve all sorts of things by throwing money at the problem... We're used to living in a world of abundant supply. We're not used to scarcity and what that means.

It sort of reminds me of the scene in Titanic where Cal tries to buy his way onto a lifeboat and can't understand when his money suddenly doesn't mean anything.

Crimson Dynamo 17-04-2020 05:43 PM

we did not buy it...

smithy


"Tories fail to buy important testing kit"

" :facepalm: it was only 20 million, ffs this government are WORSE than the Third Reich and are responsible for everyone who died in the world since Jesus"

:idc:

Cherie 17-04-2020 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10825659)
I am in a position to say that; my wife works in the NHS. They have money to buy PPE, they have orders in for PPE, there is such a high demand for PPE that they can't supply it fast enough to meet demand. That is the current situation. There is nowhere that's going without PPE "because they can't afford it".

Cherie has given the best allegory really. A month ago you could have gone to Tesco with £1000 in your pocket - you still weren't leaving with a 9 pack of Andrex, because they didn't have any. You could have gone with a million pounds. The problem is supply.

Like I said I think people are just very used to being able to solve all sorts of things by throwing money at the problem... We're used to living in a world of abundant supply. We're not used to scarcity and what that means.

It sort of reminds me of the scene in Titanic where Cal tries to buy his way onto a lifeboat and can't understand when his money suddenly doesn't mean anything.


Not our Most Loved trying to escape TiBB on a life raft :oh:

Crimson Dynamo 17-04-2020 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10825659)
I am in a position to say that; my wife works in the NHS. They have money to buy PPE, they have orders in for PPE, there is such a high demand for PPE that they can't supply it fast enough to meet demand. That is the current situation. There is nowhere that's going without PPE "because they can't afford it".

Cherie has given the best allegory really. A month ago you could have gone to Tesco with £1000 in your pocket - you still weren't leaving with a 9 pack of Andrex, because they didn't have any. You could have gone with a million pounds. The problem is supply.

Like I said I think people are just very used to being able to solve all sorts of things by throwing money at the problem... We're used to living in a world of abundant supply. We're not used to scarcity and what that means.

It sort of reminds me of the scene in Titanic where Cal tries to buy his way onto a lifeboat and can't understand when his money suddenly doesn't mean anything.

people forget

every country in the whole world has the same shopping list

Kazanne 17-04-2020 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10825696)
Not our Most Loved trying to escape TiBB on a life raft :oh:

:joker::joker:

user104658 17-04-2020 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10825696)
Not our Most Loved trying to escape TiBB on a life raft :oh:

It gets worse, when he couldn't buy his way in he stole a child :worry:. Inadvertently saving the child's life, to be fair, BUT STILL.

Marsh. 17-04-2020 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10825841)
It gets worse, when he couldn't buy his way in he stole a child :worry:. Inadvertently saving the child's life, to be fair, BUT STILL.

Not Cal snatching Kaz's baby and taking it out to sea.

Kizzy 18-04-2020 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10825632)
Its not like they spent 20 mil knowing they didn't work, they took a gamble which would have paid off if it did work...onwards and upwards

Yes they did know it was well reported they did not work. It's odd how people can just rewrite news to fit a narrative :/

Kizzy 18-04-2020 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10825631)
So, would spending money paying for researching a vaccine also be a complete waste of money if it didn't pan out with a result?

We invested in several anti body tests, it turns out that none of them work. Every country around the world has been buying the same or similar tests, none of them work, so i guess they are all bad guys too

Not even nearly comparable... it's like saying we have a vaccine paying millions for it then finding out its a vaccine for measles not coronavirus. Useless and misleading. No scientist worth anything put their name to these tests as an advocate ... why,? Because it was a pointless exercise and would have been an embarrassing career ending moment. Not fir our govt, we have people cheering every piss poor effort it's just a joke. Which other country? Can you give me a for instance?

bots 18-04-2020 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10825897)
Not even nearly comparable... it's like saying we have a vaccine paying millions for it then finding out its a vaccine for measles not coronavirus. Useless and misleading. No scientist worth anything put their name to these tests as an advocate ... why,? Because it was a pointless exercise and would have been an embarrassing career ending moment. Not fir our govt, we have people cheering every piss poor effort it's just a joke. Which other country? Can you give me a for instance?

literally every country in the world has been buying anti body tests and then trialing them to see if they provide consistent results. All the G7 countries compared notes and none found a viable test after buying them

You need to understand what these tests are ... they are a recipe of chemical components ... so even if the particular recipe didn't work, the components are still items that can be used ... they are not wasted

user104658 18-04-2020 08:32 AM

Honestly I would understand being annoyed about it if it was 2 billion, even 200 million, but 20 million is such a small amount in terms of government spending its just not worth getting wound up about. Its like being annoyed at your partner for "wasting" 50p on a new flavour of crisps and binning them because they tasted like crap.

Cherie 18-04-2020 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10825893)
Yes they did know it was well reported they did not work. It's odd how people can just rewrite news to fit a narrative :/

Do you have a link for this claim?

user104658 18-04-2020 10:49 AM

The idea that they knew for sure they didn't work but bought them anyway is an odd one... For what possible reason? For fun? :think:

Even if it was 50/50 or less that they could find some usable function for them it would be a reasonable gamble.

The idea that they knew 100% that they were useless and just bought them anyway, presumably specifically to annoy people, is a bit of a stretch. I mean yeah the Tories are arseholes but that would be a bit much.

DouglasS 18-04-2020 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10825893)
Yes they did know it was well reported they did not work. It's odd how people can just rewrite news to fit a narrative :/

I am asking myself that very question but in regards to your responses

Kizzy 18-04-2020 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10825943)
literally every country in the world has been buying anti body tests and then trialing them to see if they provide consistent results. All the G7 countries compared notes and none found a viable test after buying them

You need to understand what these tests are ... they are a recipe of chemical components ... so even if the particular recipe didn't work, the components are still items that can be used ... they are not wasted

Where are you getting your information from? Which countries bought tests and how many? Why dont you educate me as to what these componants are that can be used again.......

Kizzy 18-04-2020 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10825946)
Honestly I would understand being annoyed about it if it was 2 billion, even 200 million, but 20 million is such a small amount in terms of government spending its just not worth getting wound up about. Its like being annoyed at your partner for "wasting" 50p on a new flavour of crisps and binning them because they tasted like crap.

It's nothing like that ...for some perspective here's some info on central govt funding cuts and what they mean to local areas.
https://news.leeds.gov.uk/news/final...9-20-announced

Livia 18-04-2020 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10825603)
As soon as we start getting some good news I’ll post it :pipe:

Well, fair comment actually.

Kizzy 18-04-2020 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10825982)
Do you have a link for this claim?

It's an opinion not a direct quote cherie.

I have posted articles in relation to these useless antibody tests before, I'll post them again if you like it's really easy.

Cherie 18-04-2020 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10825893)
Yes they did know it was well reported they did not work. It's odd how people can just rewrite news to fit a narrative :/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10826088)
It's an opinion not a direct quote cherie.

I have posted articles in relation to these useless antibody tests before, I'll post them again if you like it's really easy.

That's not an opinion, you are stating it as fact, yes please do post where the government paid 20 million for tests they KNEW wouldn't work


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