Johnny Depp arrives at London Court taking on D.Wooten
 

He says he never beat up his
ex -wife.

Yeah that was an odd story, with all the tapes etc that were released, seems like she was the abuser there though although wasn't there a first set of recordings that seemed to say he was the one? If so not sure he can sue them for lying as such?

*I may not have the full set of facts on this story

Ha, I hope he wins, Dan Wooton is scum

My take on the story is that they were both physically violent (and generally toxic) to each other throughout the relationship, but he "called time" first and stopped the violence, basically saying "we can't go on like this", but she continued being violent and (for whatever reason :think: ) refused to even commit to ending the violence and even sort of suggested she liked things the way they were.

I don't think there's a clear-cut villain in the story really. I don't think either of them were good to each other, but I think she had her own issues that meant she saw the mutual violence and abuse as part of a "passionate relationship". It's sadly not all that uncommon.

So Dan Wooton's Source
was right then.

All sounds very messy and depressing

Amber Heard seems quite psychotic tbh. That relationship was a ****show from what we've heard but she seemed to be the worse of the two. She chopped off part of his finger, she laughed in his face about how no one would believe him and then she profited from the Metoo movement despite being an abuser herself.

I read a book a while back, it became a TV show but I've not watched it called Big Little Lies and what we know of their relationship reminds me of an abusive relationship in that book where the victim feels less like a victim because she fights back and she sometimes trades him blow for blow but it doesn't make her less of a victim.

Given what we know of Amber Heard's actions and how manipulative she was and how she bragged about being manipulative, I'd say she was the main abuser in that relationship.

She's an awful human being, I feel particularly hateful towards her because I believed her and her actions make people doubt other victims. She's just a **** of a human being.

I haven't read the book but I watched the show, it's really good, great cast as well.

...obviously with Johnny Depp and Amber Heard we’ve only had the toxicity reported ...but what Big Little Lies showed so well was the loving party of the relationship as well...she was aware of his control but they had an intense love as well...

Honestly, it sounds to me that she had a lot of coercive control over him, if she'd brag in front of a therapist on tape about how no one would ever believe him then what was she like in private?

Yeah exactly, he had the career to lose and she had everything to gain from the publicity exposure.

Yeah, we can only speculate based on what we already know but a lot of that, on reflection, was very typical of an abuser losing control. She wanted control of the narrative, she made everyone believe that he was in the wrong and he paid for it. She gaslit the **** out of him and then weaponised the world against him. It makes me so angry because I believed her fully, I didn't think for a second she wasn't a victim all the while I (and the rest of the world) was slating the actual victim.

Has she even faced consequences from any of this coming out? I don't think I've heard of her losing any jobs or roles because of it. Does she still have the Aquaman gig?

...I was just reading up on it because I wasn’t completely familiar with what’s happened and it wouldn’t appear that anyone has spoken out against her ...all of the sources that were so vocal against him...?...have apparently kept completely silent in condemning
her..../..odd...

Loads have called out her lies and her general actions.

...I’m really not that familiar with the case or with their relationship...I just looked at one site tbh...

It's pretty tricky as I know a few publications paid her for interviews and "her story" etc, so probably quite easy to run into a one-sided story. Pretty sure all the staff have come out and supported Johnny, and spoke about some of the horrendous and crazy things she has done.

She hired a PI to dig up dirt on him, and he came back and saifd there isn't any. There are recorded conversations between him and her parents where they're basically admitting she's a fruit loop.

She may be an arsehole but one of the few things JK Rowling has done right lately was stick by Depp despite many people (including myself) believing that he shouldn't have been cast or kept his role in Fantastic Beasts.

I remember originally not believing her because Vanessa paradis and another of his exes spoke up for him saying how that was not the kind of person they knew when they were with him but then there was some sort of "proof" against him and I felt awful for not believing her but then more tapes came out against her, such an awful and messy story

Why is JK Rowling an asshole? I really like her

All the anti-trans stuff basically, she's becoming more and more extreme with it. I used to agree with her to an extent but it's becoming more and more apparent that she has a massive issue with trans people in general.

nah disagree with you on that tbh. She is definitely coming from a women's rights angle there imo

Go Johnny, drag that lying bitch for all it's worth.

I never believed Amber heard , as others have said she comes across Psycho !.

Hope Johnny Depp is successful with suing Wooton the scumbag :fc: .

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Comparing being trans to gays being forced to go through conversation therapy was a new low even for her

Depends. In Iran gays are forced to transition in order to not be gays anymore.

I still like Amber and think she's an excellent actress but I fully believe they were abusive to each other and both did wrong 100% so shes silly making out she was some beaten down fragile ex

I wonder if people will be trying to get her movie roles cancelled, like they were with Depp? Is she gonna be in Aquaman 2?

Dan Wootton is the Perez of this decade. He's a successful man but at what cost?

Depends, wasn't she comparing children being given drugs to allow them to transition as like putting gay kids through conversion therapy?

I think part of the backlash against her is thinking "trans" is one group of people or one entity, when really she's speaking up about a lot of stuff that's grown up around trans rights (stemming from extreme activists) that is really quite dangerous if it's allowed to continue (and dangerous FOR trans people as well as cis people).

She is not anti trans, for god sake :facepalm: she's even supportive and has trans fans and friends. These days its too easy to jump on the bandwagon and think bad of people .

All she said was the biological gender thing or am I missing something? . JK is unfairly getting stick over this .

Yeah that’s what she did, it’s a totally fabricated comparison, she’s using a historic tragedy for gay people to try and emotionally strengthen her, often misguided, opinions, conversion therapy is forced, nobody is forcing anybody to be transgender.

Therein lies her problem, for a very talented author she is very bad at articulating whatever she thinks her points are, more often than not she uses sources that aren’t proven, that aren’t really supported by science and she doesn’t help herself when she uses opinions from anti-lgbt organisations to try and back her up, she loves to have her opinion, but when people question her, she decides to say it’s because she’s a woman, not because she’s a horror.
Many people have reservations about self ID and that is fine, but she doesn’t say that, she lumps all Transgender under the same umbrella.

She shows no intention of trying to converse with trans people to try and understand, that’s part of the problem, she doesn’t want a discussion, she wasn’t to lecture

Tbf, she does converse with transpeople. What she refuses to do is converse with the extreme trans-activists that are drowning everyone else's voices out IMO.

And, in my opinion, allowing children to transition and take drugs to facilitate that is dangerous.

But I won't turn the thread into the trans debate. :worry:

She converses with the transpeople that agree with her :laugh:

Children aren’t allowed to transition, you have to be 18 to transition, puberty blockers that are given are completely reversible and gives questioning children time to come to terms with whatever they are, but they’re not handed out like candy like JK and the like seem to think they are

Those extreme idiots are making the trans community look bad , and it's child abuse .

Well, tbf, the trans activists who are the ones with an issue with her statements don't really want a debate. They shout TERF and shut down anyone who doesn't just trot out their previously agreed phrases. If you even slightly question their demands or offer a nuanced discussion of it you're immediately a TERF. Probably why Emma Watson didn't offer any input to the discussion in any detail, just tweeted one sentence to please everyone for fear of backlash.

There's wrong on both sides, but I personally have no time for the extreme activists who want their way or no way in regards to any issue and to hell with everyone else and their views or needs.

It's still unclear as to how reversible they are, plus they come with other nasty side effects.

Potential immediate side effects of puberty blockers include hot flashes, swelling, headaches, and weight gain. Long-term side effects could possibly include bone density loss and subfertility, which is why using puberty blockers for more than four years is not recommended.

According to the BBC, there is no clear data on how exactly puberty blockers might affect adolescent brain development and mental health. Obtaining informed consent from children — considered unfit to make mature, long term decisions — for a process that might affect them for their entire adult life is also a debate that hasn’t found any clear-cut answers.
> https://theswaddle.com/what-are-puberty-blockers/

The extreme ones are horrifying tbf, they’re very militant, but then how are people meant to feel if people are trying to devalue their existence? Then on the other hand, look at the response Margaret Atwood is getting for believing in the opposite of JK, it’s just as bad. However there are many level headed trans people she could discuss things with, Paris Lees for one, Monroe Burgdof is another one, she just doesn’t come across as someone who is willing to hear that people think she’s wrong, even if they’re respectful, I mean, she tweeted her admiration for someone and then deleted it and unfollowed him because he told someone he supported trans rights, she does herself no favours and often comes across as a standard bigot

But back to Johnny, I was ready a reporters tweets from the trial and it sounded like he got a battering by the Sun’s defence for being a historic drunk and drug taker, but he handled it well by all accounts and then Herd walked past him in the corridor and stared him out trying to intimidate him

****ing weirdo.

Tbf, I feel her problem with people like Stephen King is the same as mine, offering no input to a discussion but the pre-approved phrase that doesn't actually add anything. Just like Emma Watson, he may have posted nothing at all considering all he added to it. The discussion is too complex to be a "trans women are women" or even a "trans women are trans women" type of thing. And their kind of posturing doesn't help.

But I completely agree on any kind of militant activist, it destroys any actual progress for anyone.