Boris addressing the nation in a couple of minutes on TV.
 

Are you watching?

Or are you sick of him?

Watched Nicola so no interest

Not watching, I’ll read one of the online recaps when it’s finished.

"a stitch in time saves nine"

:thumbs:

Cone head Boris

I saw it because I thought Bake Off was on at 8. Blehh he just washes over me these days.

Though that weatherman looks sooo weird, like an over-realistic puppet.

He likes to do that fist thing doesn’t he?

We all said that:joker:

...a picture is worth a thousand... ...words...

Yeah he's very dramatic.

He presents things even serious as if they're a game.
He's totally negatively unbelievable.

Nicola Sturgeon in her address was compassionate, sincere and inspiring.

What a contrast of leadership.
She's by miles a better leader.

He has no clue how to be a statesman, all he knows is how to deliver monologues like he's performing an after dinner speech at a masonic lodge!

Good description.
Spot on Kizzy.

Sick of him, I didn’t watch

Nope. Fed up of this bs

I'm pretty sure it IS a game to him. There's a reason there are rumblings about him stepping down... He became PM, he's "completed the game" now, he doesn't want to have to hang around and do actual work. His plan was to become PM, "get Brexit done" and then retire with that as his legacy. But then Covid came along and ruined his plans so now he's fumbling about in the dark with no clue where to go next.

You I would say are right in that TS.

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For Joey

The media is turning on Boris. ..time to find a new leader torybots.

No you are stuck with him.

People are just pouring out their frustrations and it's perfectly understandable. Plenty people can't stand Nicola either

...I don’t think that we can dismiss bad governments, though...bad is bad, no matter what times we are living in and Boris most definitely defines bad for so many...of course people are frustrated, losing loved ones can be a very frustrating thing and the lives that some of ‘his’ people are living every day of his bungling ineptitude...the world that we’re living in right now is far too scary and worrying to be in the hands of such a career politician...

We can all put the country to right from the comfort of our armchairs, easiest thing in the world. I'm not defending Boris and the cabinet, it is full of incompetents, they have made bad decisions (from my perspective) but they are broadly doing the right things.

...we can’t put the country right though, bots...I mean that would never be suggested in any way, that we/the general public could...whether it be this or any other country../...world crises...’we’ vote in our leaders to inspire guidance etc...and they put themselves forward for that inspired guidance as well...I mean, I just don’t ever get that ‘sitting in our armchairs’ thing as any perspective at all because it’s really not...we could lay criticism at a ‘bad surgeon’ because they’re indeed a bad surgeon...but are we suggesting that we ourselves, with no surgical knowledge etc, would be able to perform a surgery to a higher standard.../...that mindset would make no sense at all to me to have any bearing...for our very lives in many things, we need a leader/government who is able to lead and govern...they haven’t made bad decisions imo, Boris and his chosen crew...they’ve made decisions that have sacrificed lives and that’s way beyond what ‘bad’ could ever imagine...

...we never, ever sit in our armchairs when the voting vibe happens and this government has let so many people down who found their feet and their vote for them...

...I did think that part of his address to the nation was very wonderful though...:lovedup:..so not all bad, bless him...


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Loved the sketch at the start of bake off. Was perfect that it just so happened to be on the same night as boris!!

Bake off was lovely to be back on by the way....matt lucas is great!

Back on topic, Im so confused lately with all these rules, do this actually dont do it etc

Anyone else think Boris would be good at celebrity catchphrase?

the majority of people on this forum didn't like Boris before covid, so they were never going to fans now. Plenty people support Boris and what he is trying to do so people can have opinions sure, but it is simply that

Also, don't think it's particularly responsible of bake off to undermine the government at a time of national crisis ... i don't think its funny

stay away from people/crowds as much as possible and don't socialise with more than 6 people and even when socialising, keep your distance unless they are your family of course, think you guys also have no household mixing?

Yeah we are currently in a mini lockdown. But other than not mixing households everything is pretty much the same still.

...that’s not true, though and it really is for each individual personally to know and say...I was one of the ‘wasn't a fan before‘, people...but COVID gave more of a ‘level play’ again in how I viewed him...especially as he had, had the virus himself and been hospitalised...I felt/hoped that would have attached some ‘personal’ to him as well in any empathies /compassion/considerations etc he may have shown...but no, just no, no and no...there has always been a time to ‘create fans’ who were not fans before, some were very open to that...Whether it be COVID related../...Brexit related or whatever...the most he and his government have shown this country is lies after lies after lies...

...the 6 people..(..I think..)...can only comprise of two households as well, it can’t be from 3, 4, 5, 6 different households...

But noone would know whether they were or werent anyway

...I mean, this is a government headed by Boris ...that took away so many testing centres as the schools and industries went back to ‘normality’ that he said was safe to go back to and would be monitored...is that ‘trying his best’...or is that just callous and reckless and placing very little weight on human life...?...it’s staggering, the suggestion that he was ‘never going to have fans’ based on any previous political or personal history...if only the public had any need to ever go that far back...I mean, streuth...

...yeah to an extent, Jake...but then isn’t ‘let’s tell on our neighbours’ being encouraged as well, so...it’s all just a messy mess of a mess...

Absolutely Ammi.
On ALL your posts.

I don't in any way consider myself just an armchair critic.

I've had to pull myself up to coping in this, protecting my Mum particularly, and seeing the UNNECESSARY deaths of family and friends.
2 under 40 and 2 more elderly.

I resent those calling people like me armchair critics.
I've battled, by getting medical records and learning the facts.
Gathering too the experiences of others too.
As to how these UNNECESSARY deaths happened.

The veiled supporting for Johnson is what annoys me when it's said Hancock is incompetent while excusing the incompetence of the man who can and should have by now, sacked him from his health post.
One of the most important posts at this time.

I have never liked Johnson.
I said from the start of this pandemic, I hoped for success for this government.
I praised Sunak for his initial response.

We still get this us and them comments as to well people didn't like Johnson before this.

I have never really liked a Labour party leader either, despite my support there.
I never got the leader I wanted.

Johnson isn't, by growing numbers liked now because his mask is falling.
His attitude, lack of any real compassion,he won't even meet with groups of bereaved families of this pandemic..his double standards and incompetence.
That's why I don't like him, as growing numbers are also now eventually seeing his deceit.

Some will never see it and will only get at people, saying they never liked Johnson anyway, or they're just armchair critics.
To a degree that's all anyone on this forum is, an armchair critic.
Some dismiss this pandemic near totally.
Some see it a huge joke to inject humour too.
Some have lost really close family and friends yet get derided for their anger and massive hurt left by that, especially as to unnecessary deaths.

To have a career politician as you point out , totally inept in dealing compassionately, with justice, efficiently and quickly.
Having the power of control.
Is frightening in the very least.
That's why I don't like him, this cabinet is a dismal failure because none dare really speak out.

At a time we needed a strong, determined, listening and caring leader.
What we've got is all the opposite to that.

People can rush in and in a veiled way keep defending him but it's obvious to me.
You cannot have got as much wrong as this government has on this.
Then say they're doing the right thing.

I don't think we've ever been as badly served in England by any government as we have by this one, in a time of massive crisis too.

For me, Scotland has a real leader.
Who shows, firmness with authority, however fairness and compassion too.
Never stops expressing condolences to those, (even if there was only a single one), as to deaths in a family.

This arrogant PM we have can only tell us there'll be more and not even acknowledge the losses of loved ones now.
Rising figures again even on his manipulated registering of deaths now too.

This armchair critic then, has lost 4 very special people from his life and I am hurt and furious at that.
So I'll keep justifiably attacking the incompetence and the incompetent leader who has, by being so ill prepared, inept and by his procrastinating dangerous reactions, helped make UNNECESSARY deaths more likely.

It's a scandal and indefensible.

Perhaps I'm too close to this issue with the losses of loved ones.
However dismissed as being just armchair critics is a gross insult.

From the medical records, it's easy to see what went wrong in part.
Which caused the unnecessary deaths before their time.

The truth will out one day and I'd guess this PM may possibly want to be well out the way when it does too.

...the thing as well, Joey...of course we’re armchair observers as it were because we’ve spent time being quarantined to armchairs so observing our government has been a big part of our lives...even those who generally not gravitate toward any political stuff etc...because this isn’t just ‘political’, it’s human...we observe, yes...but we also live, all of us live this virus with our own personal and individual experiences and in a much more ‘real world’ than some politicians who are making our rules of living...and that’s how we judge, not from anything that came before...

...and we should observe and we should judge and we should feel everything we feel, what our heads and hearts say to us about this government...because looking back in history..?...there sadly may be no looking back for some of us/or/and some of our very most loved ones...so ‘armchair now’ is all there might be so it’s very important to voice, also...and to feel etc...

I kind of agree with this bots , this is why I don't bother giving an opinion on it much anymore on here ,but I will answer this one as it's balanced. whatever he does is shot down ,plus I really doubt he sits there alone and thinks 'Oh what can I do to piss everyone off then no one will ever vote for me again ' people are now moaning that they may not be able to celebrate Xmas properly ,so what ? if it saves lives, we should be complying, the rules are not that difficult to get your head around. So many armchair experts and so little knowledge.

I have just read nicolas speech word for word

Its so clear cut and understandable but also it is very sympathetic! Its so much better then Mr Mumble Bumble!