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Josy 28-09-2020 07:47 PM

JK Rowling 'profoundly grateful' for supportive letter over transphobia allegations
 
JK Rowling 'profoundly grateful' for supportive letter over transphobia allegations

The letter shows "solidarity with all the women who're currently speaking up for their own rights," Rowling said.


More at sky

https://news.sky.com/story/jk-rowlin...snt-sf-twitter

Still think shes perfectly entitled to her (not transphobic) opinions without people actually wishing her dead for it.

Oliver_W 28-09-2020 07:58 PM

Nice, it's been uncomfortable seeing her dogpiled for no discernible reason.

DouglasS 28-09-2020 08:08 PM

Glad she’s getting support :clap:

Liam- 28-09-2020 08:11 PM

It’s no surprise people that think like her are supporting her

Crimson Dynamo 28-09-2020 08:19 PM

Amazing woman

Oliver_W 28-09-2020 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10923404)
It’s no surprise people that think like her are supporting her

What has she said to not deserve support?

Mitchell 28-09-2020 08:39 PM

Does she deserve death threats? No.

Will I ever read anything written by her or support someone who seems to be filled with such hate towards a community who already are targeted and unfairly treated? No.

Elliot 28-09-2020 08:46 PM

Emma Watson <3

MB. 28-09-2020 08:52 PM

What a wonderful and concise list of irrelevant old TERFs to ignore from this moment on! :love:

Tom4784 28-09-2020 08:55 PM

I'm always a bit dubious of hate figures who come out and say they've received death threats, the sceptic in me thinks it's nothing more than a publicity stunt to garner sympathy. If someone sent me death threats, I'd pull out the receipts but these people never do.

Does JK Rowling deserve death threats? Nope, but all opinions have consequences and I think she's just trying to curb the negative views of her by garnering sympathy.

user104658 28-09-2020 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10923419)
I'm always a bit dubious of hate figures who come out and say they've received death threats, the sceptic in me thinks it's nothing more than a publicity stunt to garner sympathy. If someone sent me death threats, I'd pull out the receipts but these people never do.

There have been death and rape threats/wishes posted openly on Twitter :think:

Oliver_W 28-09-2020 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitchell (Post 10923412)
Does she deserve death threats? No.

Will I ever read anything written by her or support someone who seems to be filled with such hate towards a community who already are targeted and unfairly treated? No.

What has she said that's hateful?

DouglasS 28-09-2020 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10923419)
I'm always a bit dubious of hate figures who come out and say they've received death threats, the sceptic in me thinks it's nothing more than a publicity stunt to garner sympathy. If someone sent me death threats, I'd pull out the receipts but these people never do.

Does JK Rowling deserve death threats? Nope, but all opinions have consequences and I think she's just trying to curb the negative views of her by garnering sympathy.

She’s not a hate figure? She’s the most popular and successful author of the past 4 generations..

She’s a very popular person

Marsh. 29-09-2020 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitchell (Post 10923412)
Does she deserve death threats? No.

Will I ever read anything written by her or support someone who seems to be filled with such hate towards a community who already are targeted and unfairly treated? No.

Hate?

It's one thing saying you believe she has problematic opinions, but hateful?

Ninastar 29-09-2020 01:38 AM

I still don’t really know what she said that is supposedly so awful. Anyone able to explain for me plz?

Ninastar 29-09-2020 01:38 AM

I still don’t really know what she said that is supposedly so awful. Anyone able to explain for me plz?

Ammi 29-09-2020 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10923455)
:joker:

Obviously I'm not owed a reply by anyone, but I find it interesting how no-one can say what it was that she said they take exception to, and what was wrong withthkse things...

...obviously it’s entirely your prerogative to find it ‘interesting’ Oliver...I do sometimes see things like.’can anyone answer’/‘I’m waiting for an answer’ type things etc...and obviously we can all think and overthink about that until our heads find an answer we think we’ll settle on because we have our own ‘input’ into what we think reasons are...But this particular topic...(..as with other topics if applicable..)...it’s very much been prominent with much discussion recently to the point of ‘circles and circles and dead ends and etc..’...so if and when something isn’t responded to...it could also very much be that it’s all been said before and just not having the enthusiasm to keep on saying, etc if nothing new is felt to be created...

Ammi 29-09-2020 04:35 AM

...I just can’t imagine what it would feel like to have a death threat...and celebrity fame would create a ‘vulnerability’ as well as a sense of safety, I would think...but just an awful thing to experience...I’m glad that she’s feeling much support and I hope that the people who are making these threats, face the law for their threats ...the irony of what they’re doing..targeting for what they believe to be ‘hating on’...while voicing the most extreme ‘hating on’ themselves...just awful and some hateful Internet comments that can be made by people, which can come in many shapes and sizes...really do need to be focused on much more with the legal system and policing them...

Oliver_W 29-09-2020 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10923486)
...obviously it’s entirely your prerogative to find it ‘interesting’ Oliver...I do sometimes see things like.’can anyone answer’/‘I’m waiting for an answer’ type things etc...and obviously we can all think and overthink about that until our heads find an answer we think we’ll settle on because we have our own ‘input’ into what we think reasons are...But this particular topic...(..as with other topics if applicable..)...it’s very much been prominent with much discussion recently to the point of ‘circles and circles and dead ends and etc..’...so if and when something isn’t responded to...it could also very much be that it’s all been said before and just not having the enthusiasm to keep on saying, etc if nothing new is felt to be created...

Well, sure ... but there's literally no examples of anything hateful coming from JK :joker: at absolute worse she's guilty of female-focused feminism, which is pushing the definition of hate quite a bit.

Ammi 29-09-2020 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10923509)
Well, sure ... but there's literally no examples of anything hateful coming from JK :joker: at absolute worse she's guilty of female-focused feminism, which is pushing the definition of hate quite a bit.

...hmm, I’m not going to comment further, Oliver... other than to say that ‘no’ can’t be applied but interpretation most definitely can be...

Cherie 29-09-2020 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 10923471)
I still don’t really know what she said that is supposedly so awful. Anyone able to explain for me plz?

Hopefully some of her irrational haters will explain

Jessica. 29-09-2020 11:13 AM

Awful hateful woman, I hope people will start avoiding work by all of the people who signed in support of her too.

DouglasS 29-09-2020 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 10923646)
Awful hateful woman, I hope people will start avoiding work by all of the people who signed in support of her too.

People aren’t avoiding work by her so why would they do that? Her new book was a top seller and topped the charts


According to the Bookseller, Troubled Blood has ‘by far’ the biggest single week sale for any Galbrath title, nearly doubling that of its predecessor Lethal White.

Jessica. 29-09-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 10923471)
I still don’t really know what she said that is supposedly so awful. Anyone able to explain for me plz?

She says that trans people are just confused or misguided.

Here's an article you can read.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidip.../#3a436d6a12c7

Niamh. 29-09-2020 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 10923471)
I still don’t really know what she said that is supposedly so awful. Anyone able to explain for me plz?

She's basically of the opinion that women's sex based rights are being affected by some trans "gender" based rights (women's sports being an example) she also object's to the erasure of the word "woman" in women's health information and women's products (sanitary products being an example) apparently that translates to literally killing transpeople

Cherie 29-09-2020 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10923654)
She's basically of the opinion that women's sex based rights are being affected by some trans "gender" based rights (women's sports being an example) she also object's to the erasure of the word "woman" in women's health information and women's products (sanitary products being an example) apparently that translates to literally killing transpeople

in a nutshell

Oliver_W 29-09-2020 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10923654)
She's basically of the opinion that women's sex based rights are being affected by some trans "gender" based rights (women's sports being an example) she also object's to the erasure of the word "woman" in women's health information and women's products (sanitary products being an example) apparently that translates to literally killing transpeople

I wish someone could say what is wrong with these views? There's absolutely nothing hateful there :shrug:

Ninastar 29-09-2020 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 10923649)
She says that trans people are just confused or misguided.

Here's an article you can read.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidip.../#3a436d6a12c7

So is all of this hate stemmed from those two tweets?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10923654)
She's basically of the opinion that women's sex based rights are being affected by some trans "gender" based rights (women's sports being an example) she also object's to the erasure of the word "woman" in women's health information and women's products (sanitary products being an example) apparently that translates to literally killing transpeople

Honestly to me it just sounds like the media and cancel culture over reacting, as per.

Niamh. 29-09-2020 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 10923935)
So is all of this hate stemmed from those two tweets?







Honestly to me it just sounds like the media and cancel culture over reacting, as per.

Yeah pretty much, fortunately she's pretty uncancellable

Jessica. 29-09-2020 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 10923935)
So is all of this hate stemmed from those two tweets?

If you read it you'd know that she composed an essay on her thoughts and also has put problematic trans stereotypes in her writing. Also it doesn't matter how many tweets there are if there is even one that's problematic.

Oliver_W 29-09-2020 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 10924093)
and also has put problematic trans stereotypes in her writing.

When? If you're referring to the latest book, the part where a non-trans dude wore a wig and women's coat for like five seconds in order to attack someone? If you think that relates to transwomen, it kind of reflects more on you than JK :shrug:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 10924093)
Also it doesn't matter how many tweets there are if there is even one that's problematic.

Which tweet/s did you perceive as ... "problematic" (lol) ?

Ninastar 29-09-2020 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 10924093)
If you read it you'd know that she composed an essay on her thoughts and also has put problematic trans stereotypes in her writing. Also it doesn't matter how many tweets there are if there is even one that's problematic.

Wasn’t there a movie a few years ago, called Split iirc that had a man with a personality disorder who would ‘dress as a woman’ occasionally and killed ppl?

Did people want that cancelled? Or is it just J.K that deserves to be cancelled?

bots 29-09-2020 07:06 PM

michael caine in dressed to kill

https://images2.fanpop.com/images/ph...47-550-310.jpg

DouglasS 29-09-2020 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 10924123)
Wasn’t there a movie a few years ago, called Split iirc that had a man with a personality disorder who would ‘dress as a woman’ occasionally and killed ppl?

Did people want that cancelled? Or is it just J.K that deserves to be cancelled?

It’s just JK Rowling! What she said wasn’t even offensive. She was just pro women’s rights and people seem to feel insulted.

user104658 29-09-2020 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 10924123)
Wasn’t there a movie a few years ago, called Split iirc that had a man with a personality disorder who would ‘dress as a woman’ occasionally and killed ppl?

Did people want that cancelled? Or is it just J.K that deserves to be cancelled?

Great film but tbf I don't think any of his female personas were killers... the main "murderous" one was definitely male.

Shaun 29-09-2020 08:09 PM

I think she's just become the figurehead for anti-trans sentiment (which is rife at the moment, with everyone making a big hoo-ha about Facebook gender options, the "people who menstruate" thing, bathroom choices, trans rights being infringed upon by the Trump administration - specifically in the military - etc.) I don't necessarily believe she is transphobic but I do believe she is amplifying transphobic voices: she endorsed some little online store the other day that freely sells badges like these:



The last one in particular should surely ring alarm bells ("transwomen are men" is such a blanket, incorrect and disrespectful statement). This whole "hivemind" thing that TS is having great fun in building up works both ways, and a whole lot of actual trans people are being told to shut up and grow up without actually being listened to.

user104658 29-09-2020 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 10924195)
This whole "hivemind" thing that TS is having great fun in building up works both ways, and a whole lot of actual trans people are being told to shut up and grow up without actually being listened to.

I don't disagree and if you browse around you'll see me expressing a general disdain for dumb tribalism; all I've ever advocated for is open and nuanced discussion of a contentious issue. You're certainly not wrong in saying that Rowling is at high risk of being adopted as the PosterLady of the opposite extreme and she should be very wary of that, not least because it ultimately is counter-productive to her own original message, just as on-prescription, stonewallish trans-rights dogma is proving to be counter productive to furthering trans rights.

That has no bearing at all on my opinions on those who vehemently deny that any discussion at all is necessary, and that brand all those who want that discussion to take place as "hateful transphobes and TERFs".

Marsh. 29-09-2020 10:21 PM



Hmm

DouglasS 29-09-2020 10:45 PM

Blair white a trans you tuber says she does not find any of JK Rowling said transphobic or even remotely insulting. Claims people are over reacting and are insulted over Facts and science



Worth a watch imo

She says that it’s “trans ally’s” painting trans people to be easily offended and To be perpetual victims over basic tweets/pro women tweets, when actually a lot of the trans community agree with what JK Rowling has said and it’s actually these ‘allies’ putting words in the trans communities mouths (people who actually can not relate)

Elliot 29-09-2020 11:50 PM

Another trans you tubers perspective, worth a watch as very fair and balanced and well researched



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