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Beso 05-12-2020 09:26 PM

Millwall fans boo thier own players for taking the knee.
 
https://youtu.be/f-A-ZiQsuUk

Disgusting, absolutely sick.

Oliver_W 05-12-2020 09:36 PM

:joker:

What're they playing at, it's the UK, not 18th century America...

Mystic Mock 05-12-2020 09:42 PM

I'm not 100% behind everything that BLM does if I'm being 100% honest, but booing it? No because the basic principles behind BLM are perfectly acceptable to support imo.

Trust some of the Millwall fans to give their club a bad name.

joeysteele 05-12-2020 09:47 PM

Well with so few of them there, it should be very easy to identify them and to ensure those so called fans don't get in again.

Beso 05-12-2020 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 10965090)
I'm not 100% behind everything that BLM does if I'm being 100% honest, but booing it? No because the basic principles behind BLM are perfectly acceptable to support imo.

Trust some of the Millwall fans to give their club a bad name.

But surely these must be life long fans first in line for entry on the first game back..its a bad look for the club that's for sure..I had 3 friends there today who ended up on TV.. they wernt even boing but were shown in a clip on the news..

Alf 05-12-2020 09:57 PM

Don't bring divisive politics to your place of work then, especially when you're working for the people of the community.

Take that sh!t to social media.

Get used to it, because as long as they keep kneeling, they're gonna get boo'd, that's just the way it is.

The only way to stop that, is to leave your divisive politics at home and get on with the job you're paid for, playing football.

AnnieK 05-12-2020 10:22 PM

I don't see how taking the knee is classed as divisive politics. Although its linked to BLM, which people believe is a political movement, football have been trying to eradicate racism for years...they now have some form of symbolism to show how against racism in the game they are. Unless you are happy for black players to be called monkeys or worse, I don't see how you can boo what is nothing more than a symbolic gesture against racism

Beso 05-12-2020 10:23 PM

Why even bother booing though, it's like a 3 second knee..then back up for the kick off..

I would be too busy munching a pie to even care about what was happening before kick off.

Marsh. 05-12-2020 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10965086)
not 18th century America...

Is it exhausting being that ignorant or does it come natural?

thesheriff443 05-12-2020 10:39 PM

It’s a two way street at the end of end day, if people want to show their support for blm by going on one knee then people should be allowed to boo because they don’t agree with.

My personal opinion is going down on one knee bollox and just for show.

AnnieK 05-12-2020 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10965110)
It’s a two way street at the end of end day, if people want to show their support for blm by going on one knee then people should be allowed to boo because they don’t agree with.

My personal opinion is going down on one knee bollox and just for show.

Football have been fighting against racism for years though....they now have a symbolic gesture to make a stand....how can that be bollocks??

Marsh. 05-12-2020 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10965110)
It’s a two way street at the end of end day

In regards to racism, it really isn't.

Shaun 06-12-2020 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 10965090)
I'm not 100% behind everything that BLM does if I'm being 100% honest, but booing it? No because the basic principles behind BLM are perfectly acceptable to support imo.

Trust some of the Millwall fans to give their club a bad name.

The gesture is adopted by Kick It Out, so everyone booing it isn't even criticising BLM; they're criticising the ongoing football racism group. Not that I expect Millwall fans or your usuals on this thread to understand or care about such nuances.

jet 06-12-2020 12:21 AM

Why does everything have to be 'you can do this but you can't do that' and so devisive these days?
You can show support by taking the knee and you can boo because you don't agree with taking the knee for whatever reason. Both responses are called 'freedom of expression'. Humans just don't march in lockstep, they never have and they never will. The more they are pushed to conform one way or the other in current issues, the more deeply entrenched their own stance becomes. Human nature again.

Shaun 06-12-2020 02:37 AM

"Both responses are called freedom of expression" - in an environment catered to by a business. The football governing bodies are well within their rights to dictate what is and isn't allowed within a club's stadium, and if Millwall had any sense, they'll be issuing bans to idiots who follow suit. To even compare the two "responses" is just... alarming, though. One is a quiet gesture, the other is aggressive noise. One calls for racial equality, the other can't get to grips with what that means and reacts angrily to things they don't understand.

arista 06-12-2020 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10965079)
https://youtu.be/f-A-ZiQsuUk

Disgusting, absolutely sick.




Yes they think its Trendy.


But BLM Political are dangerous

Kizzy 06-12-2020 03:00 AM

Where's the respect? Where's it written that you can't express support for anyone on a human level...it's not political in the slightest.
If you want to show support take the knee, if you don't. .don't. Why mock those that do? Baying like pack of baboons isn't going to stop them, and effectively this aggressively negative reaction by certain 'fans' compounds just why that support is needed.

Marsh. 06-12-2020 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 10965122)
Why does everything have to be 'you can do this but you can't do that' and so devisive these days?
You can show support by taking the knee and you can boo because you don't agree with taking the knee for whatever reason. Both responses are called 'freedom of expression'. Humans just don't march in lockstep, they never have and they never will. The more they are pushed to conform one way or the other in current issues, the more deeply entrenched their own stance becomes. Human nature again.

You're asking why does everything have to be so divisive and THEN suggesting it's perfectly fine for people to boo a call for racial equality? :facepalm:

thesheriff443 06-12-2020 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10965114)
Football have been fighting against racism for years though....they now have a symbolic gesture to make a stand....how can that be bollocks??

Footballers receive a disgusting amount of money for kicking a ball when you have someone on minimum wage cleaning up another persons p1ss and sh1t

Stop the one knee bollox and donate money from their wages to actually fight racism in their local communitys.

Going down on s knee for a few seconds is not going to change anyone’s life.

thesheriff443 06-12-2020 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10965115)
In regards to racism, it really isn't.

It’s better to see acts of racism than let it go un noticed and unchallenged.

Marsh. 06-12-2020 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10965140)
It’s better to see acts of racism than let it go un noticed and unchallenged.

How is taking the knee letting it go unnoticed?

It's doing exactly what you suggest, publicly condemning it.

Oliver_W 06-12-2020 08:55 AM

People don't watch football games for boring "virtue signals" relating to foreign countries, especially when it's something the media didn't shut up about all summer.

Marsh. 06-12-2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10965154)
People don't watch football games for boring "virtue signals" relating to foreign countries, especially when it's something the media didn't shut up about all summer.

Yet racism is a problem in football. Not heard you complain that you don't watch football for that.

Oliver_W 06-12-2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10965156)
Yet racism is a problem in football.

How is it?

AnnieK 06-12-2020 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10965158)
How is it?

Have you not heard of black players being racially abused by fans? Racism is a big problem in football, hence the Kick It Out campaign. Listen to the likes of Stirling, Rashford telling of the abuse they've had directed at them from fans and then tell them that racism isn't still rife in the game

thesheriff443 06-12-2020 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10965149)
How is taking the knee letting it go unnoticed?

It's doing exactly what you suggest, publicly condemning it.

The fact that fans were booing will make the headlines not that the players took the iknee.

People need to see and hear Racism so it can be challenged.

bots 06-12-2020 09:23 AM

Taking the knee does nothing for me personally, but as long as there is racism in football, i see nothing wrong with drawing attention and support for the cause. The booing just shows that there is still a long way to go

user104658 06-12-2020 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10965139)
Footballers receive a disgusting amount of money for kicking a ball when you have someone on minimum wage cleaning up another persons p1ss and sh1t



Stop the one knee bollox and donate money from their wages to actually fight racism in their local communitys.



Going down on s knee for a few seconds is not going to change anyone’s life.

I agree with this actually Sheriff; I find the signals, salutes, symbols, chants and mantras utterly meaningless if they're being done in lieu of more meaningful words and actions. In fact, it plays into something else that I'm inherently against (tribal behaviours, group thinking, collectivism) and thus its not something I'd ever do. I wouldn't boo it, though. That's just more of the same to be honest.

That said, football fans never STOP singing, chanting and group gesturing so it's a bit hypocritical in this case, and I imagine most of them are booing because they don't like the message, rather than the method.

Marsh. 06-12-2020 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10965163)
The fact that fans were booing will make the headlines not that the players took the iknee.

People need to see and hear Racism so it can be challenged.

Without the players taking the knee there wouldn't be something to boo. So, a poor defence of racism there.

Marsh. 06-12-2020 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10965158)
How is it?

Oh is this the bit when you pretend racism isn't an issue?

Not interested, Oliver.

thesheriff443 06-12-2020 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10965167)
Without the players taking the knee there wouldn't be something to boo. So, a poor defence of racism there.

There is no defence for racism but taking the knee won’t stop racism.

Marsh. 06-12-2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10965172)
There is no defence for racism but taking the knee won’t stop racism.

Nobody's suggested it will.

If yoy've contorted a reason that the booing is a positive thing for anti-racism campaigning then there is no issue with taking the knee.

thesheriff443 06-12-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10965173)
Nobody's suggested it will.

If yoy've contorted a reason that the booing is a positive thing for anti-racism campaigning then there is no issue with taking the knee.

You said I had a poor defence for racism I’m not defending racism I’m saying when acts of racism are shown it does more for the fact racism is unacceptable that people taking the knee.

Marsh. 06-12-2020 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10965175)
You said I had a poor defence for racism I’m not defending racism I’m saying when acts of racism are shown it does more for the fact racism is unacceptable that people taking the knee.

Yes, it is a poor defence. "Let it carry on so we know it's bad".

Nicky91 06-12-2020 09:52 AM

it is kinda unacceptable those fans are booing their own players for just doing a good thing, being against racism


i hope the UEFA hasn't seen this (cuz if so, and they are very much anti-racism, i can see the team being fined for the actions of the supporters, since UEFA wants best behaviour possible from all fans)


chants, singing, cheering is allowed, as long as it's not racist, homophobic or insulting with diseases or rude

jet 06-12-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 10965129)
"Both responses are called freedom of expression" - in an environment catered to by a business. The football governing bodies are well within their rights to dictate what is and isn't allowed within a club's stadium, and if Millwall had any sense, they'll be issuing bans to idiots who follow suit. To even compare the two "responses" is just... alarming, though. One is a quiet gesture, the other is aggressive noise. One calls for racial equality, the other can't get to grips with what that means and reacts angrily to things they don't understand.

No moral comparison was being made. The footballers have a right to take the knee and some spectators have a right to show their disapproval.You don’t have to agree with peoples actions or opinions to believe they have the right to express them. Freedom of expression and freedom of speech (within the law or rules of a particular entity) are as vital to a democratic society as the right to strive for equality for all its citizens.

thesheriff443 06-12-2020 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10965176)
Yes, it is a poor defence. "Let it carry on so we know it's bad".

There is no point having a conversation with you I shall be out and about today as always treating every one I meet as equal regardless of their skin colour.

jet 06-12-2020 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10965185)
There is no point having a conversation with you I shall be out and about today as always treating every one I meet as equal regardless of their skin colour.

Well said sheriff. Have a good day! :clap2:

Marsh. 06-12-2020 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10965185)
There is no point having a conversation with you I shall be out and about today as always treating every one I meet as equal regardless of their skin colour.

You're incapable it seems. How YOU treat other people was never the discussion.

Bye.

Marsh. 06-12-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 10965186)
Well said sheriff. Have a good day! :clap2:

:joker: Obsessed.


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