Sophie : A Murder in West Cork - Netflix
 

Have you watched this one as well Ammi & Cherie? Also Smithy, might be interested.

The difference between this and the Jim Sheridan one is huge and I was thinking it would be biased and it was but it still convinced me once again that Ian Bailey is guilty

I liked how they focused a lot too on Sophie as a person rather than just the object of an investigation and I felt like we properly got to know her. I felt so bad for her parents and son. I'm glad though Pierre doesn't see Cork as the enemy and still sees West Cork as a place he feels close to his mother and where she loved despite the awful end she had here. https://i.imgur.com/soIsnP0.jpeg

…oh I was going to post about this, this morning…I haven’t watched very much yet, though…I started to watch last night but was really tired so didn’t watch a whole episode but I’ll pick up again later…my first impression…?….was how different a ‘story’ looks, depending on perspective that it’s presented and yet it’s the same story…I had read that Sophie’s family only agreed to be a part of this if it was presented more of a tribute to her life as a large aspect and it does seem that so far, which I love because before there was a cruel and violent/brutal death, there was a life…and in circumstances like that, as Sophie died…?…it must be very difficult for loved ones to get beyond the pain of death to that life again that meant so much to them…?…such a difficult thing….with the different documentaries, we’re seeing Sophie through the eyes of many and that’s what a life is…?…so it truly is a tribute as well and I want to feel that tribute also, not just her death….she was a French lady living this incredible, glamorous life in the circles that her husband moved through…?…she was a daughter/a mother etc…but she was also an ‘adopted’ Cork citizen, someone they really did feel was a part of them and their community, part of her heart belonged to Cork…

Started it last night :thumbs:

This is not on UK news

I hate Netflix/


I have AmazonPrime.


Is this a TV Chat thread?>

My sincerest apologies, I will move this quick smart :douf:

coming soon to Netflix ... The moderation of Neem, the inside story

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…I finished watching last night…I liked seeing more of her friends and family in France…it’s just so incredibly sad for those who loved her as I don’t think they’re ever going to see justice and that’s what stays more than anything else, I think…an incredible sadness that still seems so much a part of Schull as well…

This came up on my recommended on Netflix so I might give it a whirl

HOW is he still free?

All circumstantial evidence I suppose, so sad for her family though

i saw this on my planner is it good?

Yeah it is [emoji106]

Finished this now, in terms of where I am with regard to Ian Bailey's guilt

Gardaí have a new lead apparently, they can't be considering believing anything Marie Farrell has to say again, can they?

GARDAI ARE revisiting the investigation file on the unsolved murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier after a new suspect emerged.

The murder of Toscan du Plantier 24 years ago has been the subject of much debate and speculation over the past few weeks following the release of two new true crime documentaries reviewing the case.

Now, according to the Irish Independent, detectives are reviewing the case based on information provided by Marie Farrell who claims she can now identify the male suspect she saw with the victim just days before her murder.

Farrell was previously a key witness in the Gardai’s case against the prime suspect in Toscan du Plantier’s murder, Ian Bailey.

She initially identified Bailey as the man she recalled seeing outside her shop in Schull on the day Toscan du Plantier was last seen alive back in December 1996.

Farrell recalled seeing a man wearing a long black coat watching the victim that day.

She also recalled seeing the same person on a remote bridge close to the holiday home Toscan du Plantier was staying in at the time.

Though she initially claimed the man was Bailey, Farrell later withdrew her testimony.

However in a fresh twist, she has now identified the man as an alternative suspect.

Farrell pointed out the individual, she claims to have seen, while perusing photos of Toscan du Plantier with filmmaker Jim Sheridan in the Sky documentary Murder at the Cottage.

It is understood she identified the man while perusing photos of Sophie, her late husband and people known to the couple.

Detectives are now in the process of assessing the credibility of the information and will be reviewing the investigation file to see if the person Farrell has named is among the 50 suspects initially identified as potential suspects in Toscan du Plantier’s murder.

Bailey has twice been arrested by gardaí for the murder, in 1997 and 1998, but never formally charged in Ireland.

He was, however, convicted in absentia by a French court in 2019.

Bailey has always maintained his innocence and claimed in Sheridan’s documentary that a French hitman may have been hired to kill the Paris-born filmmaker at her home.

Despite this latest development, Bailey’s solicitor Frank Buttimer, told Extra that it is unlikely to lead to a major breakthrough.

He said: “One of the awful consequences of this tragic situation would become apparent in the event that a genuine suspect for the offence became identifiable, which might require cooperation from the French authorities to An Garda Síochána and where the likely outcome, in that event, would be a refusal to provide mutual assistance from the French.”

https://www.irishpost.com/news/garda...ntified-215358

Ian Bailey is about to be interviewed on Irish radio with Niall Boylan, if anyone is interested

https://www.classichits.ie/player/

Listening

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Literally if this turns out to be true, that woman should be in jail for her lies

Yeah she's a nut case and seems like an attention seeker too. She's been massively disrespectful to Sophie and her family as well

Good point about the coat, if it were steeping in a bucket how was he wearing it in the Christmas swim video

Yeah, I thought that as well, plus it said on the Police files that they'd seized the coat and presumably found no blood or DNA on it

What was the deal with Marie Farrell? Do you reckon she was lying for attention initially and never knew what her lies were going to cause?

I can't figure her out at all, initially I believed that she had seen a man but not one that fit Ian Baileys description (because on the police files her description of him changes drastically from a smaller, sallow skinned man to Ian bailey who is very tall and fair skinned) and I was thinking maybe the Police had intimidated her into saying it was Ian and saying Ian was threatening her but then in the Netflix Documentary there were witnesses who'd said they had seen Marie Farrell run from her shop telling them Ian baileys was threatening her so that would have been an elaborate ruse so then i was thinking OK maybe she was telling the truth originally and it was ian bailey but she'd changed her statement because maybe Ian bailey promised her money if he won his law suit? But now apparently she's got new information on who the man is? I don't know I think maybe she saw nobody at all and is just a massive attention seeker

Also, she claims she was travelling in a car with a man that night but has never told anyone who he was which is bizarre considering the gravity of the case and he could have confirmed who the killer was (or potential killer)

…Marie Farrell did return to the witness stand and ‘named’ the man that she was with that night…but she’d had some time away from the court, she’d walked out…and when she then gave the name of John Reilly, she said that he was dead…so he’d gone to his grave and said nothing…?…and he couldn’t be questioned obviously then…

..have you watched it all, Cal…plus Murder at the Cottage, the other 5 part one…?…

I thought they said they'd confirmed she lying about who he was?

…I don’t know, I just don’t think she has any credibility anymore …but she’s a strange one because she seems to have opted for a quiet life for several years now and away from any of it…and yet her actions would also have suggested ‘attention’….

Been trying to find out and I got this :

Marie Farrell, a witness in the Ian Bailey case, has at different times named three individuals as the man she was with early on the morning of Sophie Toscan du Plantier's murder, the high Court heard today. ... Last week, she said the man with her in the car in 1996 was deceased Longford factory worker John Reilly.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/a...0John%20Reilly.

Also convenient that the guy she named was dead as well

…and that she named him as being that deceased person after she had walked out of court and had spoken to her mother…she said that her mother told her that he was dead….strange that someone so significant in her life as to have been the person she was with that night when she felt that she’d seen a murderer and she hadn’t known he had died…
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yeah very, she seems to me like a compulsive liar. You couldn't believe anything that comes out of her mouth

…it’s also strange that he never came forward in the years before he died, with such a high profile case…so I can’t get the feeling that he actually existed…and if the person she was meant to be with didn’t exist then was any of it true…

Yeah, that's actually where I'm at with it too tbh I mean maybe he's married and didn't want to get himself caught out but at the same time if Marie Farrell never even spoke to him again after that night why wouldn't she have given his real name to help herself and take the pressure off IDing this man she supposedly saw?

…Marie had originally named a local musician, Oliver Croghan as the man that she was with….he was also deceased ….she named 3 different men but I can’t find who the third one was…

…I hadn’t realised that the gate that went missing was from the police evidence storage, I thought that it was from the scene…but 5 case files went missing as well…(apparently…)…

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-37185350.html

Imagine what DNA they could find on that gate now


It’s a wonder Marie Farrell herself and whoever was with her were never investigated given they were in the vicinity at the time