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natjake2504 02-07-2007 10:40 AM

cig ban
 
IT can be a drag to be shut in the BB house with only a wannabe celebrity to while away the hours with.

But yesterday, as England woke up to the smoking ban, it was business as usual for contestants such as Nicky and Charley.

They got their own taste of the clampdown on lighting up indoors, as they were barred from having a fag up in the house when the series began on May 30.

Instead, they were given an outdoor smoking area, complete with bench.

But even those with a hazy recollection will know smoking has been a major way to pass the time for many Big Bro contestants over the years.

Here we recall contestants who turned BB into CIG Brother

bananarama 02-07-2007 12:57 PM

I think all smoking should be banned from BB. A lot of young people watch the show and it is a bad example for them to think killer smoking is a cool thing to do.....

Only none smokers should be considered for the show......

Slartibartfast 02-07-2007 01:12 PM

Yeah, only non smokers should apply. In fact, anyone who has ever said a swear word shouldn't be allowed on the show, sets a bad example for kiddies as well. And anyone who has ever had sex, we can't be letting the children think that casual sex is cool. And anyone who has ever drank alcohol should be banned, we can't be having those poor children watching BB think that alcohol is cool.

How are BB letting these evil people on the show???!!! Won't someone please think of the children???

bananarama 02-07-2007 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Yeah, only non smokers should apply. In fact, anyone who has ever said a swear word shouldn't be allowed on the show, sets a bad example for kiddies as well. And anyone who has ever had sex, we can't be letting the children think that casual sex is cool. And anyone who has ever drank alcohol should be banned, we can't be having those poor children watching BB think that alcohol is cool.

How are BB letting these evil people on the show???!!! Won't someone please think of the children???
I suppose they might as well ban sarcasm as well. After all it is the lowest form of wit.......

Slartibartfast 02-07-2007 02:24 PM

Yes, you're right. In fact, lets just ban BB altogether. You never know, some day at some time some person just might do something in BB which the poor little children might think is cool and they'll all be in the playground the next day copying it.

In fact ban all TV, those poor children being corrupted.

(Good to see the Mary Whitehouse spirit is still alive and well today, eh?)

bananarama 02-07-2007 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Yes, you're right. In fact, lets just ban BB altogether. You never know, some day at some time some person just might do something in BB which the poor little children might think is cool and they'll all be in the playground the next day copying it.

In fact ban all TV, those poor children being corrupted.

(Good to see the Mary Whitehouse spirit is still alive and well today, eh?)
I look forward to your wishes being granted........:flowers:

Slartibartfast 02-07-2007 02:37 PM

Woohoo, here comes our own Orwellian nightmare! Ban everything, just in case the kiddies see it. No, never mind the rights of adults or that these so easily influenced young people will have seen smoking in many, many places other than on BB, just ban everything to be safe. :thumbs:

Guessing your attitude to smokers, I'm sure you will be pleased to hear about this;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6252016.stm

Good on them, I say! (although they have no chance at all of success, but at least they're trying!)

bananarama 02-07-2007 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Woohoo, here comes our own Orwellian nightmare! Ban everything, just in case the kiddies see it. No, never mind the rights of adults or that these so easily influenced young people will have seen smoking in many, many places other than on BB, just ban everything to be safe. :thumbs:

Guessing your attitude to smokers, I'm sure you will be pleased to hear about this;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6252016.stm

Good on them, I say! (although they have no chance at all of success, but at least they're trying!)

It may surprise you to know I support such a challenge.

There is no need for a total ban as this will only result in none smokers at home suffering the effects of passive smoking from frustrated smokers.

The type of ban I am refering to in the BB house is the promotion of smoking not the banning of it.

To promote a killer habit to the young is irresponsible and should be avoided.

You mention Mary Whitehouse...Believe me I am a million miles away from that sort of thinking..

Several years ago I participated in the broadcasting code consultation doing my bit to try and minimise the draconian censorship of our society.......If you think you understand me, mate you could not be more wrong....

natjake2504 02-07-2007 07:03 PM

please can someone give me a karma for this i cant beleive im in the - i dont think that my threads are that bad sorry for being cheeky but people seem to like this thread xxxxxxxxx

Slartibartfast 02-07-2007 07:10 PM

Considering thats at least the third time you've posted begging for karma, I would give you minus except my karma powers were exposed to karma-kryptonite and I have been rendered powerless. Just make nice posts and eventually your karma will grow and grow!

And for banarama, I'm still not sure how banning smokers from BB is in keeping with your non-censorship principles but using children and young people to restrict the freedom of adults is the rallying cry of the Mary Whitehouse brigade which explains my initial skepticism. However, any work you've done to reduce the amount of censorship we are forced to endure should be applauded. :thumbs:

And that wasn't scarcastic! :shocked: :tongue:

Stu 02-07-2007 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by bananarama
I think all smoking should be banned from BB. A lot of young people watch the show and it is a bad example for them to think killer smoking is a cool thing to do.....

Only none smokers should be considered for the show......
Yes lets ban those evil cigarettes. After all , parents are not as agile as they used to be , and its a long shot that they will be able to switch channels when their kids are watching BB. That would be near impossible.

Kids are very impressionable you know :rolleyes:.



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I suppose they might as well ban sarcasm as well. After all it is the lowest form of wit.....
Yes it is [sarcasm].


*for the record I smoke [you only live once , and I aspire to do it as Steve McQueen like as possible] , and take great pleasure in watching people throw strops over it , who coincidently , are the people who dont smoke [but probably dont throw strops for something they enjoy].

CharlotteSometimes 02-07-2007 09:08 PM

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Originally posted by bananarama
I think all smoking should be banned from BB. A lot of young people watch the show and it is a bad example for them to think killer smoking is a cool thing to do.....

Only none smokers should be considered for the show......
What about alcohol, which is far more dangerous than smoking? Or flip flops? Maybe green jumpers, or beards & moustaches?

Slartibartfast 02-07-2007 09:51 PM

Yeah, and ban fat people too. Innocent kids could be watching and think it's cool and then go and become fat by not doing any exercise and playing on games consoles all day...

And I've never liked green jumpers either, ban the b******s!! :tongue:

CharlotteSometimes 02-07-2007 10:04 PM

Despite the note in your sig, green jumper aversion = +1 karma in my book. :bigsmile:

InTheHood 03-07-2007 12:11 AM

I say ban scousers :joker:

That way, there may be a house left unstolen at the end :joker:

CharlotteSometimes 03-07-2007 12:33 AM

Good job there aren't any Scousers in the house right now then, huh? They had a Dutch guy lined up too, but apparently his constant spontaneous diving was considered too dangerous for the other hm's. We did have a cod-psychologist though, but he's just walked ...

Stu 03-07-2007 08:44 AM

The kitchen should be unobserved by cameras in fairness , because I hear kids love nothing more than playing Dante with mommys breadknifes.

the_chosen_one 03-07-2007 09:07 AM

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Originally posted by bananarama
I think all smoking should be banned from BB. A lot of young people watch the show and it is a bad example for them to think killer smoking is a cool thing to do.....

Only none smokers should be considered for the show......
I agree.

Smoking is a generally pointless habit which effects others as well as smokers. I think the general appeal of smoking, to young people, (apart from peer pressure) is the image aspect of it, they may see it on TV and wish to incorporate the style of their favourite actor or celebrity personality into their own style...e.g...

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Originally posted by Stu
*for the record I smoke [you only live once , and I aspire to do it as Steve McQueen like as possible]
....but young people don't always contemplate the long term risks of the habit or the negative effect it has on their immediate health.

I think glamorising such habits is hard to avoid on general television, but the fact that Big Brother can curb the problem, like bananarama suggests, is something worth strong consideration. There are many types of people who arn't 'eligible' for Big Brother shows, so it's not as if any principles of 'reality' are being broken.

Stu 03-07-2007 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by the_chosen_one
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Originally posted by bananarama
I think all smoking should be banned from BB. A lot of young people watch the show and it is a bad example for them to think killer smoking is a cool thing to do.....

Only none smokers should be considered for the show......
I agree.

Smoking is a generally pointless habit which effects others as well as smokers. I think the general appeal of smoking, to young people, (apart from peer pressure) is the image aspect of it, they may see it on TV and wish to incorporate the style of their favourite actor or celebrity personality into their own style...e.g...

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Originally posted by Stu
*for the record I smoke [you only live once , and I aspire to do it as Steve McQueen like as possible]
....but young people don't always contemplate the long term risks of the habit or the negative effect it has on their immediate health.

I think glamorising such habits is bad and hard to avoid on general television, but the fact that Big Brother can curb the problem, like bananarama suggests, is something worth strong consideration.
Its not exactly a bad habit , thats a matter of opinion , but the media generally shapes it that way.

As for your comment that it is pointless , you could claim that driving is pointless , alas more people die in car accidents than do lung cancer brought on from smoking each year.

What about my point that parents can simply switch the TV channel over?

You must also ask yourself , are kids really that influential and stupid?

the_chosen_one 03-07-2007 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by Stu
Its not exactly a bad habit , thats a matter of opinion
My opinion would be a resounding yes, it is bad, and if it was based on health issues, there wouldn't even be any room for opinion.

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Originally posted by Stu
You must also ask yourself , are kids really that influential and stupid?
The answer's yes, many of them are. It's a young person's nature to be easily influenced (if that's what you meant by 'influential').

Stu 03-07-2007 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by the_chosen_one
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Originally posted by Stu
Its not exactly a bad habit , thats a matter of opinion
My opinion would be a resounding yes, it is bad.

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You must also ask yourself , are kids really that influential and stupid?
The answer's yes, many of them are. It's a young person's nature to be easily influenced (if that's what you meant by 'influential').
Again cant parents change the channel? What about my other points that went unanswered? Not allowing smokers into the Big brother house is too close to the original Orwellian concept for my liking. In fact is borderline insane.

Its a perfectly normal habit thats been blown out of proportion by the media. And not allowing smokers in the house is an act that is never going to come to fruition as only a disgruntled group of non smokers dont want them their because they see smoking as nasty and wont let it rest at that.

Alcohol causes more social problems than nicotine and metamphetamine rolled in to one. Can that be allowed in to the house? is it because you may drink that it is fine in your eyes?

What about Nikki last year - she was potentially a walking advertisment for young girls everywhere to throw dinners under their tables. Just like channele this year.

How about the ENTIRE FORMAT OF THE SHOW as a whole being an advertisement for staying in and not getting any exercise.

Heck , lets keep those gays from going in! We cant be teaching young boys stuff like that!!!

the_chosen_one 03-07-2007 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by Stu
Again cant parents change the channel?
Of course they can, but that argument could be used for any issue, big or small, it doesnt concern me.

When the issue in question is the act of smoking (i.e. Steve McQueen), eliminating this act from a TV show can have considerable positive effects, seeing as the act itself is what can be appealing to young people. The act of drinking is different; it's an essential part of life.

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Originally posted by Stu
What about my other points that went unanswered?
I'm sure others may want to address them.

bananarama 03-07-2007 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast
Considering thats at least the third time you've posted begging for karma, I would give you minus except my karma powers were exposed to karma-kryptonite and I have been rendered powerless. Just make nice posts and eventually your karma will grow and grow!

And for banarama, I'm still not sure how banning smokers from BB is in keeping with your non-censorship principles but using children and young people to restrict the freedom of adults is the rallying cry of the Mary Whitehouse brigade which explains my initial skepticism. However, any work you've done to reduce the amount of censorship we are forced to endure should be applauded. :thumbs:

And that wasn't scarcastic! :shocked: :tongue:

When I came to the conclusion that banning smoking from the BB house is the right thing to do it did not come easy to me to join the banning brigade on this issue. Under normal circumstances I am strongly anti ban and anti censorship. What i think of Government rigged organiasations like ofcom would desire a level of language not suitable for this forum.

With regard to my opinion on banning smoking in the BB house. My sentiment is not about banning people from smoking per say but banning the promotion of a killer habbit to the young.

BB is watched by young people and young adults anxious to show off how grown up they are. These people of all are vulnerable to the influence of contestants in the BB house.

Seeing characters they love indulging in a killer habit is like promoting smoking to the young. In spit of my general anti banning sentiments I still feel a ban in the BB house in view of the influence on youngsters is fully justified.

You may not agree with my reasoning but that is how I genuinly feel on this issue.

If like me you are anti banning of this that and the other then I can understand your annoyance at reading a post suggesting the opposite to what you believe in. However what annoyed me with your response was not the fact you did not agree but the sarcastic nature of the reply.

I would have hoped for a debate rather than an insult.....

I would like to draw a line in the sand between you and I as perhaps we misunderstood each other at different levels.
As far as I am concerned no ill feelings held. Regards. bananarama. :thumbs:

natjake2504 03-07-2007 12:23 PM

bananarama - i agree

Stu 03-07-2007 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by the_chosen_one
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Originally posted by Stu
Again cant parents change the channel?
Of course they can, but that argument could be used for any issue, big or small, it doesnt concern me.

When the issue in question is the act of smoking (i.e. Steve McQueen), eliminating this act from a TV show can have considerable positive effects, seeing as the act itself is what can be appealing to young people. The act of drinking is different; it's an essential part of life.

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Originally posted by Stu
What about my other points that went unanswered?
I'm sure others may want to address them.
So drinking is simply different because it is a 'Part of life'??? Thats a completely ludicrous statement that ignores any sort of facts whatsoever.

Their are MANY dangerous things on TV , and its all a part of life. Its up to the parents to sit down and tell their kids the dangers of smoking. You could ban car ads , because driving is dangerous right? Why not ban , as I mentioned , housemates being shown cooking with knives in the big brother house???

You , like banannarama , seem to be sticking to the smoking and ignoring any other points about other dangers in your arguments which lead me to believe you two are merely against people smoking and nohting more.

Its all a part of TV , and I think Charley or Tracey sparking up is MORE than compensated by the huge number of bans , ads on TV , and generall scrutiny thats pointed at smoking.

the_chosen_one 03-07-2007 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Stu
So drinking is simply different because it is a 'Part of life'??? Thats a completely ludicrous statement that ignores any sort of facts whatsoever.
I don't think it's ludicrous, I think you just havn't thought it through properly.

The performance of smoking a cigarette is something which you brought up earlier in this thread, explaining how you aspire to smoke "as Steve McQueen like as possible". That's because you've recognised some sort of style which appeals to you and it's something you wish to duplicate. Other young people have the same mentality as you. They see the act of smoking a cigarette and wish to copy it.

Alcohol is different. The act of drinking is something we all do which is not exclusive to consuming alcohol.

Stu 03-07-2007 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by the_chosen_one
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Originally posted by Stu
So drinking is simply different because it is a 'Part of life'??? Thats a completely ludicrous statement that ignores any sort of facts whatsoever.
I don't think it's ludicrous, I think you just havn't thought it through properly.

The performance of smoking a cigarette is something which you brought up earlier in this thread, explaining how you aspire to smoke "as Steve McQueen like as possible". That's because you've recognised some sort of style which appeals to you and it's something you wish to duplicate. Other young people have the same mentality as you. They see the act of smoking a cigarette and wish to copy it.

Alcohol is different. The act of drinking is something we all do which is not exclusive to consuming alcohol.
You took a passing smart comment on Steve McQueen out of context and have prepared to use it in virtually your every argument.

You still make no point. Alcohol is not 'different' , its caused more social problems and deaths than smoking ever will - and thats a fact. Why is is you have a problem with ciggarettes but not alcohol? is it because you consume alcohol and therefore justify it as fine???

We dont want those children drinking on street corners now do we???

Once again its all a part of life. Its up to the parents to sit down and tell their kids the dangers right?

Why are they let watch the show in the firts place??? :wink:

*Influence is not something you can surpress either , we are influenced to walk , talk , eat and yes - smoke. if Big Brother wont do it , somehting else will.

bananarama 03-07-2007 01:09 PM

Stu...Smoking is indeed being picked on because the original post was about smoking and the views about it.

I can understand the principle you are defending but each of us will have a differnt point at we draw a line in the sand with reagard to public dangers and what to do about them if anything.........I admit I draw a line in the sand with regard to smoking. Someone said smoking was normal. Eh. since when is impersonating a chimny pot been normal.:laugh:

Alcohol is even more embedded in society than smoking. Smoking is slowly being forced out of society. The problem of alcohol is far more difficult to deal with because unlike smoking alcohol abuse is on the increase.

Your right parents should educate children about smoking and indeed alcohol. Sadly children with their quest for independance and wanting to appear grown up will pay little regard to what their parents say. More so if the parent themselves are indulging in the dangerous habits their kids are indulging in.....

Stu 03-07-2007 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by bananarama
Stu...Smoking is indeed being picked on because the original post was about smoking and the views about it.

I can understand the principle you are defending but each of us will have a differnt point at we draw a line in the sand with reagard to public dangers and what to do about them if anything.........I admit I draw a line in the sand with regard to smoking. Someone said smoking was normal. Eh. since when is impersonating a chimny pot been normal.:laugh:

Alcohol is even more embedded in society than smoking. Smoking is slowly being forced out of society. The problem of alcohol is far more difficult to deal with because unlike smoking alcohol abuse is on the increase.

Your right parents should educate children about smoking and indeed alcohol. Sadly children with their quest for independance and wanting to appear grown up will pay little regard to what their parents say. More so if the parent themselves are indulging in the dangerous habits their kids are indulging in.....
You just wrote my argument for me , cheers :thumbs:.

Smoking is slowly being forced out of society. The problem of alcohol is far more difficult to deal with because unlike smoking alcohol abuse is on the increase.

You mention this yet you still state your going to draw the line at smoking?

bananarama 03-07-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Stu
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Originally posted by bananarama
Stu...Smoking is indeed being picked on because the original post was about smoking and the views about it.

I can understand the principle you are defending but each of us will have a differnt point at we draw a line in the sand with reagard to public dangers and what to do about them if anything.........I admit I draw a line in the sand with regard to smoking. Someone said smoking was normal. Eh. since when is impersonating a chimny pot been normal.:laugh:

Alcohol is even more embedded in society than smoking. Smoking is slowly being forced out of society. The problem of alcohol is far more difficult to deal with because unlike smoking alcohol abuse is on the increase.

Your right parents should educate children about smoking and indeed alcohol. Sadly children with their quest for independance and wanting to appear grown up will pay little regard to what their parents say. More so if the parent themselves are indulging in the dangerous habits their kids are indulging in.....
You just wrote my argument for me , cheers :thumbs:.

Smoking is slowly being forced out of society. The problem of alcohol is far more difficult to deal with because unlike smoking alcohol abuse is on the increase.

You mention this yet you still state your going to draw the line at smoking?
Like I said each of us will draw the line in the sand at what ever they feel the most strongest about and an action that would be most productive.

Because alcohol is on the increase and more accepted in society a ban in the house would do nothing at all to decreas the urge to drink......That is why I would not call for such an action. Smoking on the other hand is not as socially accepted and is a killer habit thus a ban in the house would be productive in helping youngsters from following the dangerous habit of silly adults.........

Stu 03-07-2007 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by bananarama
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Originally posted by Stu
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Originally posted by bananarama
Stu...Smoking is indeed being picked on because the original post was about smoking and the views about it.

I can understand the principle you are defending but each of us will have a differnt point at we draw a line in the sand with reagard to public dangers and what to do about them if anything.........I admit I draw a line in the sand with regard to smoking. Someone said smoking was normal. Eh. since when is impersonating a chimny pot been normal.:laugh:

Alcohol is even more embedded in society than smoking. Smoking is slowly being forced out of society. The problem of alcohol is far more difficult to deal with because unlike smoking alcohol abuse is on the increase.

Your right parents should educate children about smoking and indeed alcohol. Sadly children with their quest for independance and wanting to appear grown up will pay little regard to what their parents say. More so if the parent themselves are indulging in the dangerous habits their kids are indulging in.....
You just wrote my argument for me , cheers :thumbs:.

Smoking is slowly being forced out of society. The problem of alcohol is far more difficult to deal with because unlike smoking alcohol abuse is on the increase.

You mention this yet you still state your going to draw the line at smoking?
Like I said each of us will draw the line in the sand at what ever they feel the most strongest about and an action that would be most productive.

Because alcohol is on the increase and more accepted in society a ban in the house would do nothing at all to decreas the urge to drink......That is why I would not call for such an action. Smoking on the other hand is not as socially accepted and is a killer habit thus a ban in the house would be productive in helping youngsters from following the dangerous habit of silly adults.........
Then again by the same token isint their enough media scrutiny as you mentioned surrounding the noble drug of nicotine :tongue: to offset any chances of little Harold copying Brian around the back of the schoolyard???

the_chosen_one 03-07-2007 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Stu
You took a passing smart comment on Steve McQueen out of context and have prepared to use it in virtually your every argument.
Your comment on Steve McQueen is a perfect example for the basis for my stance on the issue of considering banning smoking from Big Brother shows. Young people see actors or people on TV smoking and they wish to impersonate that very performance of smoking a cigarette.

You may wish to widen the horizons of the debate by discussing alcohol, cars, fist-fighting or living upside down in a wheelie bin, but as I've pointed out, I'll leave your tangents for those who wish to pick them up. It's no slight on your arguments.

bananarama 03-07-2007 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Stu
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Originally posted by Stu
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Originally posted by bananarama
Stu...Smoking is indeed being picked on because the original post was about smoking and the views about it.

I can understand the principle you are defending but each of us will have a differnt point at we draw a line in the sand with reagard to public dangers and what to do about them if anything.........I admit I draw a line in the sand with regard to smoking. Someone said smoking was normal. Eh. since when is impersonating a chimny pot been normal.:laugh:

Alcohol is even more embedded in society than smoking. Smoking is slowly being forced out of society. The problem of alcohol is far more difficult to deal with because unlike smoking alcohol abuse is on the increase.

Your right parents should educate children about smoking and indeed alcohol. Sadly children with their quest for independance and wanting to appear grown up will pay little regard to what their parents say. More so if the parent themselves are indulging in the dangerous habits their kids are indulging in.....
You just wrote my argument for me , cheers :thumbs:.

Smoking is slowly being forced out of society. The problem of alcohol is far more difficult to deal with because unlike smoking alcohol abuse is on the increase.

You mention this yet you still state your going to draw the line at smoking?
Like I said each of us will draw the line in the sand at what ever they feel the most strongest about and an action that would be most productive.

Because alcohol is on the increase and more accepted in society a ban in the house would do nothing at all to decreas the urge to drink......That is why I would not call for such an action. Smoking on the other hand is not as socially accepted and is a killer habit thus a ban in the house would be productive in helping youngsters from following the dangerous habit of silly adults.........
Then again by the same token isint their enough media scrutiny as you mentioned surrounding the noble drug of nicotine :tongue: to offset any chances of little Harold copying Brian around the back of the schoolyard???
Simple answer to thet is "No".....:bigsmile:

Stu 03-07-2007 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by the_chosen_one
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Originally posted by Stu
You took a passing smart comment on Steve McQueen out of context and have prepared to use it in virtually your every argument.
Your comment on Steve McQueen is a perfect example for the basis for my stance on the issue of considering banning smoking from Big Brother shows. Young people see actors or people on TV smoking and they wish to impersonate that very performance of smoking a cigarette.

You may wish to widen the horizons of the debate by discussing alcohol, cars, fist-fighting or living upside down in a wheelie bin, but as I've pointed out, I'll leave your tangents for those who wish to pick them up. It's no slight on your arguments.
My comment on Steve Mc Queen was a poorly executed attempt at wit , and it has been translated into a scapegoat textbook example of influencing young children everywhere to gopicking up on smoking , despite the fact that...

1. Ill be 18 next year , so im hardly influential child material - unless you have a broad and simple imaginaiton of what a child is.

2. Ill place a wager that most 8-12 year olds dont have a clue who Steve Mc Queen is , or give a damn.

3. Again cant parents turn the TV off?

4. Theirs not many celebs puffing away left to influence anybody , and as bannanarama correctly said - smoking is on the decline.

I see no problem in discussing other things such as drinking in the house because they all tie in with children being influenced by TV - the core of this debate. I merely think you dont know how to argue the point.


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Simple answer to thet is "No".....
Thats a pretty definitive statement so ill respect your opinion but will disagree :tongue:.

the_chosen_one 03-07-2007 02:06 PM

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I merely think you dont know how to argue the point.
On the contrary, I did make my point, even using one of your own quotes to help, but you just back tracked and said it was meaningless in the first place.

Whether your McQueen comment was meaningless or not, I was still only highlighting a very real notion that young people are influenced by the performances they see on the television, irrespective of whether you personally are guilty of it, and that is what I've been stating as the aspect which could be brought into question were officials discussing the issue of 'not using smokers in Big Brother'. I can't contest your other arguments if I don't have a differing opinion on them.

Stu 03-07-2007 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by the_chosen_one
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Originally posted by Stu
I merely think you dont know how to argue the point.
On the contrary, I did make my point, even using one of your own quotes to help, but you just back tracked and said it was meaningless in the first place.

Whether your McQueen comment was meaningless or not, I was still only highlighting a very real notion that young people are influenced by the performances they see on the television, irrespective of whether you personally are guilty of it, and that is what I've been stating as the aspect which could be brought into question were officials discussing the issue of 'not using smokers in Big Brother'. I can't contest your other arguments if I don't have a differing opinion on them.

Ill rehash 2 points I already made which still stand up in light of your recent attempt at an argument :wink:.


1. Again again cant parents turn the TV off?

2. Theirs not many celebs puffing away left to influence anybody , and as bannanarama correctly said - smoking is on the decline.

*Adäm 03-07-2007 02:52 PM

Stu, i really don't see why you are defending smoking so much. You are making out it's this big amazing thing. At the end of the day smoking is a filthy habit. It harms the person that smokes and all the people around.

That is the difference between smoking and alcohol. If someone is drinking near you and you happen to inhale, you are not at risk of anything, smoking, on the other hand, is different, as you well know.

This is my reason why I agree that smoking should be banned from Big Brother, and the fact that Britain went smoke free a few days ago, shows the majority of the Brittish public support anti-smoking. And if this became a public notion, I'm sure this would be backed too!

*Adäm x

Stu 03-07-2007 02:57 PM

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Stu, i really don't see why you are defending smoking so much
By the same token I could ask why he is against it so much? It is merely a debate.


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At the end of the day smoking is a filthy habit. It harms the person that smokes and all the people around.
Drinking can harm a person! many people smoke , it is a comfort to many , learn to live with it.


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If someone is drinking near you and you happen to inhale, you are not at risk of anything, smoking, on the other hand, is different, as you well know.
Hence why this year the big brother house convieniently has a smoking area.


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the majority of the Brittish public support anti-smoking
And? Dont bother leveraging group mentality against my favour. Most of the british public dont own mansions - but a few do.

CharlotteSometimes 03-07-2007 04:00 PM

Personally, I preferred Steve McQueen sucking eggs.

Smoking shouldn't in any way be 'encouraged' on BB. But banned? Please! BB is supposed to represent a cross-section of society, and a significant number of people still smoke. It's now illegal for them to smoke indoors, so that's a moot point. But there's no reason why anyone should be prevented from smoking, outdoors, in the designated area. If anything, the issue should be why don't Channel 4 edit the footage a little more diligently, to minimise the amount of on-screen smoking, at least. Of course it's a serious health risk, anti-social, expensive, etc. But I think suggesting that young people will see BB hm's smoking, and then that in turn will encourage them to take up the habit themselves, is ludicrous. It smacks of petty bigotry from the anti-smoking brigade, looking for yet another opportunity to impose their self-righteous ideals onto everyone. If your motive is to safeguard third parties from passive smoking, then all credit to you. But the scenario of adults making the decision to smoke outdoors, well away from anyone who finds their habit distasteful, is way beyond your remit.

This topic may be about smoking, but as has been said several times, alcohol is far more of an issue than smoking. Nobody has ever crashed a car, or caused any other form of RTA, because they were under the influence of nicotine. Countless acts of violence occur every day, across the country. Not one of them will be because the perpetrator smoked too many cigarettes. Smokers with families can ensure that they're not exposed to passive-smoking. The families of alcohol abusers are afforded no such luxury. Their lives are blighted, too. Smoking is a personal health risk (when the smoker behaves responsibly, of course), but alcoholism ruins the lives of entire families.

The chances of young people watching the likes of Charley smoking and deciding that it's 'cool' are minimal, to say the least. But when they tune in to see hm's behaving inanely and seemingly 'having fun' because they're intoxicated, it's another matter entirely because of the state-sponsored skewing of the facts.

the_chosen_one 03-07-2007 04:51 PM

Aside from me being assigned the position of anti-smoking by another poster, it's far from the case where I'm concerned, this issue is regarding smokers being chosen for Big Brother and smoking being allowed at all in the BB house. Earlier in the the thread I pointed out how certain types of people are already exempt from taking part in Big Brother, so there is no danger of any principles being contradicted here, because we all know the makers of the show do not run an operation founded on fairness, principles and integrity to the 'reality' label. This is where I consider it a reasonble suggestion to review the legitimacy of smokers and their presence in the Big Brother house. Of course, there are large numbers of smokers in British society, but there's also large numbers of people with mental disorders, physical handicaps, social inadequacies and unconventional habits who will be overlooked at every BB audition process because they are simply not suitable for the standards required from Endemol to make their television show. I don't see why smokers get equal treatment for qualification when they set such a bad example with their behaviour in such an obvious, visible way. Yes, smoking is no big deal to some people, but it's undoubtedly a bad example, no matter where you go, and something all smokers can't reasonbly deny. Poisoning yourself in full view of eveybody is a passtime young viewers might benefit from not seeing.

This is about iconology, in a minor way. Big Brother contestants become small scale television icons for a few months and the things they do get analysed and often impersonated all over the country even other parts of the world, just for the fact that they've been chosen to hang around in a house for a while, so it makes a good deal of sense to choose a line up of people who are going to set a good example to it's young viewers, whilst providing the best amount of entertainment possible for the ratings.

I'm saying overlook smokers, not because I'm unfair, but because Big Brother is far from a real representation of society anyway, so let's atleast exploit that and not glorify smokers and their oh so graceful performance of sitting there all sultry like Angelie Jolie exuding sexuality with every drag of the fag, putting me off my beans on toast.:blush:

Next up, overlook the alco's, if you so wish, but we all know alcohol can play an integral part in causing entertainment in the BB house.


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