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arista 18-04-2023 05:30 AM

USA : Man 85 ,is charged with first-degree assault:shooting of Black 16-year-old
 
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/04...1775578091.jpg

[Kansas City man, 85, is charged with
first-degree assault and armed criminal action
in shooting of 16-year-old who
mistakenly knocked on his door:
Prosecutor claims there WAS 'racial component'
in the case


Ralph Yarl, 16, was shot in the head on Thursday
night when he knocked on
Andrew Lester's door - mistakenly thinking
his siblings were there
Prosecutors in Clay County, Missouri,
announced two felony counts would be
filed against Lester following the
shooting on April 13
Lester, 85, faces up to life in prison
for the first-degree assault]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...alph-Yarl.html



Sign Of The Times.

Mystic Mock 18-04-2023 06:33 AM

Hopefully this guy has charges pressed against him.

And hopefully the kid can make a recovery.

Niamh. 18-04-2023 06:40 AM

I hope the boy makes it through with no lasting damage

Cherie 18-04-2023 06:41 AM

Awful case, shooting someone for just knocking on your door

arista 18-04-2023 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11282021)
Awful case, shooting someone for just knocking on your door


Wrong home
and he was Black.

bots 18-04-2023 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11282052)
Wrong home
and he was Black.

so, don't answer the door.

arista 18-04-2023 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11282053)
so, don't answer the door.


He is 85
so will open the door every time

But he had a Gun ready at all times

Liam- 18-04-2023 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11282052)
Wrong home
and he was Black.

A death sentence in America

arista 18-04-2023 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11282056)
A death sentence in America


Yes Liam
at this time

Sadly True

GoldHeart 18-04-2023 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11282021)
Awful case, shooting someone for just knocking on your door

That's America, they're so trigger happy it's disturbing.

Crimson Dynamo 18-04-2023 10:27 AM

I would wager the elderly man is not mentally efficient

user104658 18-04-2023 10:28 AM

Honestly we often think of the US and UK as being similar but the idea of people opening their front door with a gun in their hand in this country is so unthinkable ... yet it's a cultural norm in the states (or many of them, anyway). I doubt anything will ever meaningfully change though.

user104658 18-04-2023 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11282067)
I would wager the elderly man is not mentally efficient

Makes it all the more concerning that he was just kicking around at home with deadly weapons.

bots 18-04-2023 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11282067)
I would wager the elderly man is not mentally efficient

it's a perfect storm. Guns readily available, a confused old man, and a youth making a mistake .... boom

arista 18-04-2023 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11282067)
I would wager the elderly man is not mentally efficient


Or, he just does not trust blacks

thesheriff443 18-04-2023 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11282019)
I hope the boy makes it through with no lasting damage

He was released from hospital after four days.

thesheriff443 18-04-2023 11:29 AM

10 at night someone knocking on your door would be scary for an old man
Without out the racist element he would not be getting prosecuted

Niamh. 18-04-2023 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11282082)
He was released from hospital after four days.

that's good news

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11282083)
10 at night someone knocking on your door would be scary for an old man
Without out the racist element he would not be getting prosecuted

wth?? I bloody hope he'd be prosecuted if it was a white guy he shot for knocking on his door as well :o

thesheriff443 18-04-2023 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11282085)
that's good news



wth?? I bloody hope he'd be prosecuted if it was a white guy he shot for knocking on his door as well :o

It’s American, their laws are very different from ours, one stand out one is the right to legally own fire arms

Oliver_W 18-04-2023 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11282083)
10 at night someone knocking on your door would be scary for an old man
Without out the racist element he would not be getting prosecuted

Not so sure. There's no justification for just shooting.

If he was waiting by the door, gun at the ready, it'd be somewhat "understandable" but a knock at the door isn't provocation.

Niamh. 18-04-2023 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11282086)
It’s American, their laws are very different from ours, one stand out one is the right to legally own fire arms

Even in America it's not ok to shoot someone for knocking on your door Sheriff, come on.

user104658 18-04-2023 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11282086)
It’s American, their laws are very different from ours, one stand out one is the right to legally own fire arms

If the kid had ENTERED his house or was trying to force the door open then he would likely not be prosecuted, but even in the US you can't shoot someone just for walking up to a door and knocking on it.

bots 18-04-2023 12:04 PM

Mr Lester has not been charged with a hate crime, and charging documents do not describe the alleged racial bias.

At a press conference on Monday, Clay County Prosecutor Zachary Thompson said: "My message to the community is that, in Clay County, we enforce the laws and we follow the laws.

"That doesn't matter where you come from, what you look like or how much money you have."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65307047

user104658 18-04-2023 12:05 PM

Even at that it's crazy though - one time as (very drunk, very confused) students me and my (now) wife and several other friends somehow ended up trying to get into the wrong house after a night out, confused about why we couldn't open the door, hammering on it and shouting :umm2: ...

... in the US someone would probably have come out blastin'.

We were just very drunk and at the wrong door! If anything the taxi driver was to blame.

Vanessa 18-04-2023 12:05 PM

If you're scared you don't open the door. Simple.

thesheriff443 18-04-2023 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11282092)
If the kid had ENTERED his house or was trying to force the door open then he would likely not be prosecuted, but even in the US you can't shoot someone just for walking up to a door and knocking on it.

You can shoot someone if they are on your porch in American

arista 18-04-2023 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 11282095)
If you're scared you don't open the door. Simple.


At the old age of 85,
always open the door.

But ready with a Gun

user104658 18-04-2023 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11282099)
You can shoot someone if they are on your porch in American

This is just straight up false. Even in texas (which has the most liberal "stand your ground" laws) you can only defend when threatened, and then only with proportionate force (i.e. you can only shoot to kill someone if you have good reason to believe they're going to try to kill or severely harm you).

There's nowhere in the US where you can shoot someone on your porch just because they're there.

The reason you can (in some states) pretty much always do it if someone forces entry to your home, is because it's reasonable to assume that if someone has forced their way into your house then they are a clear risk to your personal safety.

thesheriff443 18-04-2023 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11282101)
This is just straight up false. Even in texas (which has the most liberal "stand your ground" laws) you can only defend when threatened, and then only with proportionate force (i.e. you can only shoot to kill someone if you have good reason to believe they're going to try to kill or severely harm you).

There's nowhere in the US where you can shoot someone on your porch just because they're there.

No it’s not because I’ve seen an actual case
Guy shot and killed Simone who was on his porch and didn’t get prosecuted

Crimson Dynamo 18-04-2023 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11282104)
No it’s not because I’ve seen an actual case
Guy shot and killed Simone who was on his porch and didn’t get prosecuted

but wasnt that the one where it was his daughters ex and he tried to break in the door so the dad rightly shot him?

Livia 18-04-2023 12:34 PM

You can shoot someone on your porch in Texas if you believe your life is at risk. Missouri has a "stand your ground" law which is similar. Not that I think for one minute this kid was anything but innocent.

GoldHeart 18-04-2023 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 11282104)
No it’s not because I’ve seen an actual case
Guy shot and killed Simone who was on his porch and didn’t get prosecuted

I think there's probably more cases like this , but they don't all get in the media. I wouldn't want to live in America tbh.

arista 18-04-2023 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11282112)
I think there's probably more cases like this , but they don't all get in the media. I wouldn't want to live in America tbh.


America Is Fine
so long as you know the rules.

Alf 18-04-2023 03:49 PM

And this is how it goes down in gun free zones in Democrat run cities.




GoldHeart 18-04-2023 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 11282155)
And this is how it goes down in gun free zones in Democrat run cities.




The sad thing is I'm not even shocked, I knew this happened more frequently.

Crimson Dynamo 18-04-2023 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alf (Post 11282155)
And this is how it goes down in gun free zones in Democrat run cities.




sickening

Barry. 18-04-2023 07:50 PM

So sad.

Mystic Mock 19-04-2023 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11282068)
Honestly we often think of the US and UK as being similar but the idea of people opening their front door with a gun in their hand in this country is so unthinkable ... yet it's a cultural norm in the states (or many of them, anyway). I doubt anything will ever meaningfully change though.

We're more culturally similar to Europe than the basketcase that's America imo.

Their obsession with guns will always be a mystery to me.

arista 19-04-2023 02:43 AM

The young kid
has now been allowed to go home,
that's good.

UserSince2005 19-04-2023 03:27 AM

You’ve got to be careful in america. It’s no joke. Parents need to educate their kids that they can’t just be going knocking on random peoples doors. What if the guy was a pedophile, this kid might have never seen the light of day again.


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