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LaLaLand 19-04-2024 03:08 AM

"Baby Reindeer" - Netflix
 
Anyone else seen this?

It's probably one of the best things I've seen in a while. A true story, too. The leading man was actually the man who was stalked. It's his own story. Crazy.

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The story follows the writer and performer Richard Gadd's warped relationship with his female stalker and the impact it has on him as he is ultimately forced to face a deep, dark buried trauma.


The manner that everything is dealt with (and there's a lot of VERY sensitive and quite dark themes) is perfect.

Mystic Mock 19-04-2024 03:12 AM

What does the dark themes entail?

Ammi 19-04-2024 04:54 AM

…ahhhhh, I was looking at this to watch a few days ago and then chose something lighter at the time…it did appeal to me, though….because it is a true story…although, not one that I was familiar with…I’ll watch it soon on your recommendation, LaLa…

Kate! 19-04-2024 07:05 AM

This sounds good

Mystic Mock 19-04-2024 07:52 AM

I've just seen the trailer.

Wtf! That stalker was real?:umm2:

Either way the Actress has got the creepy performance down by the looks of things.

LaLaLand 19-04-2024 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11441481)
I've just seen the trailer.

Wtf! That stalker was real?:umm2:

Either way the Actress has got the creepy performance down by the looks of things.

Yep. The messages that we see on screen throughout the show are real, legitimate messages sent to him by the stalker too.

Jessica Gunning, the actress who plays Martha, is fantastic.

Mystic Mock 19-04-2024 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 11441510)
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Yep. The messages that we see on screen throughout the show are real, legitimate messages sent to him by the stalker too.

Jessica Gunning, the actress who plays Martha, is fantastic.

Well I hope to never attract that kind of person.:laugh:

LaLaLand 19-04-2024 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 11441411)
What does the dark themes entail?

It’s extremely dark in parts. Deals with a lot. Episode 4 especially.

Stalking, harassment, threats, trauma, mental illness, abuse in many forms.

I’d recommend going into it blind like I did to get the full effect I think.

Niamh. 19-04-2024 09:37 AM

My daughter was talking about it last night, she didn't like it at all, too weird and Saltburny she said

Mystic Mock 19-04-2024 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 11441513)
It’s extremely dark in parts. Deals with a lot. Episode 4 especially.

Stalking, harassment, threats, trauma, mental illness, abuse in many forms.

I’d recommend going into it blind like I did to get the full effect I think.

Okay.

It might be worth a look.

Especially considering that it has a very different feel to Fallout.:joker:

GoldHeart 19-04-2024 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11441514)
My daughter was talking about it last night, she didn't like it at all, too weird and Saltburny she said

Yeah I just read the parental guide on IMDB, it sounds too extreme & grim . No doubt they'll probably make them watch it on Gogglebox aswell like they did with saltburn .

LaLaLand 19-04-2024 07:49 PM

It’s extreme yes but it’s an accurate portrayal of stalking and everything that comes with it as it’s a true story from the direct experience of the creator and star of the show.

Yet somehow it still feels very delicate and sympathetic at times.

It’s really fantastic.

LaLaLand 20-04-2024 03:30 AM

Warning: Episode 4 of this show is extremely graphic and harrowing. Just, horrific.

Zizu 20-04-2024 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 11441753)
Warning: Episode 4 of this show is extremely graphic and harrowing. Just, horrific.


I hate misleading program titles !!

It took me years to finally give The Sopranos a chance


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Mystic Mock 20-04-2024 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 11441753)
Warning: Episode 4 of this show is extremely graphic and harrowing. Just, horrific.

I would be excited by this if it was completely fictional.:joker:

Ammi 20-04-2024 09:56 PM

…I just binge watched this…it’s really a very harrowing story and I think that I’ll be gathering my thoughts together for quite a while …it’s something that will stay awhile, I think…

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…obviously Martha/the stalking plot was a terrifying thing to have happened to him…but I think that also highlighted so much his own self loathing and his own mental struggles with many aspects of his life and how ‘broken’ he was, really…so very sad when he said that Martha made him feel like he was the person he had wanted to be…or words similar…

LaLaLand 23-04-2024 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11442035)
…I just binge watched this…it’s really a very harrowing story and I think that I’ll be gathering my thoughts together for quite a while …it’s something that will stay awhile, I think…

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…obviously Martha/the stalking plot was a terrifying thing to have happened to him…but I think that also highlighted so much his own self loathing and his own mental struggles with many aspects of his life and how ‘broken’ he was, really…so very sad when he said that Martha made him feel like he was the person he had wanted to be…or words similar…

It’s a phenomenal show. I’ve never seen anything quite like it. Deals with a lot of taboos too. Incredible.

Ammi 24-04-2024 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 11443063)
It’s a phenomenal show. I’ve never seen anything quite like it. Deals with a lot of taboos too. Incredible.

…it does deal with a lot but it also kind of just ‘leaves you there’ as well with so much that it doesn’t deal with….I mean…
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…with Martha, this was obviously nowhere near the first time and I know that she had her sentence and a restraining order for many years etc…?…but surely that would just indicate that her obsession would just become someone else when she was released from prison, which wouldn’t have been very long served of the sentence at all…for someone who was displaying such repeat behaviour, where was the help that she was getting because she had such outbursts of violence as well…?….with him, one of the things that was noticeable was that he never did fear her though and that’s something that can’t be applied to the reverse of male stalkers with females…and that’s something that’s been very high profile recently with a few cases…he was also ‘addicted to’ and obsessed with her, wasn’t he…?….and it all stemmed from his own self loathing and poor mental health….that whole thing with his dad and his dad’s reveal was so heartbreaking because it seemed to create that self loathing….his dad hadn’t even been able to hug him up until that point because of his own traumas ….and as he said, Martha made him feel as though he was the person that he wanted to be…lots of layers to it all and lots of thoughts that stay…

Niamh. 24-04-2024 07:11 AM

I have 2 more episodes to go, it's a very disturbing story, very honest though

Ammi 24-04-2024 07:17 AM

…I think for me…
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…it’s realising that it’s as much about mental illness and self loathing as it is about stalking….I wonder how that would have all displayed and evolved, had he never encountered Martha…because that was all still there, regardless…

Cherie 24-04-2024 08:08 AM

I am two eps in and honestly so far I think
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he could have put a stop to it once he found out she was a convicted stalker, he seems very weak

Niamh. 24-04-2024 09:20 AM

Probably don't read this spoiler Cherie until you're a few more episodes in but

Spoiler:

I think his is a very honest depiction to the complicated and seemingly illogical reactions to being a victim of sexual abuse. It's very uncomfortable to watch but it's a story that's hard to deal with that bare and grittily truthful because in a way it can make the victim look bad or less of a victim in some peoples eyes

Ammi 24-04-2024 09:29 AM

…I won’t say any more specifics, even in spoilers…but all I’ll say is that I was left with lots of thoughts in lots of different directions…it really does provoke thinking…and maybe taking a while to think about as well because you can keep thinking of something else…/…another aspect…

Niamh. 24-04-2024 09:37 AM

Yeah, I'm going to watch the last 2 episodes later before I have any final proper thoughts. I don't know if this is known either but my son told me the guy in the lead role is actually the real guy this happened to

Ammi 24-04-2024 10:17 AM

…yeah, he plays himself…just out of interest, is Gav watching it also…?…

Niamh. 24-04-2024 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11443207)
…yeah, he plays himself…just out of interest, is Gav watching it also…?…

Yeah he is, he's hooked too

Ammi 24-04-2024 10:24 AM

…I think that’s good as well to have that male and female view…?…it provided a lot of conversation for us…

Niamh. 24-04-2024 10:32 AM

Luke watched it with us too, he's already watched the whole thing through though

Niamh. 25-04-2024 09:46 AM

Finished it last night, honestly I'm not sure what I think

Spoiler:

It really is just so honest and complicated, the human psyche is weird.

Just on a point you mentioned earlier too Ammi about the sex of the stalker/victim. I agree there's a different level of fear when the sexes are reversed. Not that Martha wasn't dangerous of course but as a man Donnie would have been able to defend himself easier than a woman would against a man

Anyway I hope Richard/Donnie got himself into therapy to help him try to get through all this stuff, it was a lot

Zizu 25-04-2024 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11443678)
Finished it last night, honestly I'm not sure what I think

Spoiler:

It really is just so honest and complicated, the human psyche is weird.

Just on a point you mentioned earlier too Ammi about the sex of the stalker/victim. I agree there's a different level of fear when the sexes are reversed. Not that Martha wasn't dangerous of course but as a man Donnie would have been able to defend himself easier than a woman would against a man

Anyway I hope Richard/Donnie got himself into therapy to help him try to get through all this stuff, it was a lot


Mmmmm

That’s a tad worrying

I only watch guaranteed classics nowadays


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Niamh. 25-04-2024 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11443695)
Mmmmm

That’s a tad worrying

I only watch guaranteed classics nowadays


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It is a very interesting show, albeit an uncomfortable watch at times

Mystic Mock 25-04-2024 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11443165)
Probably don't read this spoiler Cherie until you're a few more episodes in but

Spoiler:

I think his is a very honest depiction to the complicated and seemingly illogical reactions to being a victim of sexual abuse. It's very uncomfortable to watch but it's a story that's hard to deal with that bare and grittily truthful because in a way it can make the victim look bad or less of a victim in some peoples eyes

Spoiler:

I know that Jessica Meuse was saying something similar about her Domestic Abuse situation on her YouTube channel, she said something along the lines of being in love with her boyfriend and not really realizing how unhealthy the relationship was getting until further down the line, and they were in a really toxic relationship, apparently he was suffering with Narcissistic personality disorder.


It's a year old video that got recommended to me due to listening to her songs, I promise that I didn't deliberately stalk for this information.:laugh:

I genuinely did feel bad for her though.

And obviously I feel bad that this guy had to deal with what looks to be one hell of a life story.

Ammi 25-04-2024 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11443678)
Finished it last night, honestly I'm not sure what I think

Spoiler:

It really is just so honest and complicated, the human psyche is weird.

Just on a point you mentioned earlier too Ammi about the sex of the stalker/victim. I agree there's a different level of fear when the sexes are reversed. Not that Martha wasn't dangerous of course but as a man Donnie would have been able to defend himself easier than a woman would against a man

Anyway I hope Richard/Donnie got himself into therapy to help him try to get through all this stuff, it was a lot

Spoiler:

…yeah, it was a completely different perspective, wasn’t it…and it felt that one huge difference was the ‘absence of fear’…the absence of feeling threat…?…he didn’t even seem to absorb any terrifying aspect to it when Teri was attacked….and similarly with Darrien, who was drugging him to sexually abuse him…?…he knew that it was happening, obviously….it just made him feel more and more self loathing …but there was no fear for threat of safety, was there…

Strictly Jake 25-04-2024 07:09 PM

I think I got as far as I can get with it it's a bit too disturbing for me. The last episode I watched she was just sat at the bus stop for 13+ hours staring. I don't know if I can bring myself to see it through to the end it made me feel odd

Zizu 25-04-2024 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Strictly Jake (Post 11443882)
I think I got as far as I can get with it it's a bit too disturbing for me. The last episode I watched she was just sat at the bus stop for 13+ hours staring. I don't know if I can bring myself to see it through to the end it made me feel odd


Jesus that sounds like a long episode

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Ninastar 25-04-2024 08:49 PM

Does anything bad happen to any animals in this show?

Ninastar 25-04-2024 08:49 PM

Or children (god I’m messed up for saying animals first)

Niamh. 25-04-2024 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 11443912)
Does anything bad happen to any animals in this show?

No

Niamh. 25-04-2024 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 11443913)
Or children (god I’m messed up for saying animals first)

No

Ninastar 25-04-2024 09:00 PM

What about the children niamh


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