Eight boys aged from 12 arrested on suspicion of rape after playing fields attack…
 

Eight boys have now been arrested on suspicion of rape after a teenage girl was attacked on playing fields in Nottinghamshire.

Police are working “around the clock” to investigate the serious incident that took place in Newark last Saturday, between 5.30pm and 7pm.

Having arrested four boys on suspicion of rape last week, Nottinghamshire Police tonight said it had arrested four more.

One boy is aged 12, one is 13, two are 14, two are 15 and two are 16.

They have all been released on bail with conditions.

Detective Inspector Amy Revill said: “We have made a further four arrests in this case and our investigation is continuing to move at pace.

“We are continuing to support the girl and her family with specially trained officers and are doing everything we can to establish exactly what’s happened.

“I want to again appeal to the local community and anyone who may have any information to please get in touch with us. We have had several people come forward to help us with our inquiries – so thank you for your assistance.”

She added: “I understand the concerns this incident has caused to our community in Newark. But I want to make clear the team of detectives investigating this incident are working around the clock and we will uncover exactly what’s happened.

“We’ve been carrying out extra patrols in the area and this will continue.”


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Girls are just pieces of meat to the boys brought up on a diet of internet porn

Poor girl, she will never get over it

Internet porn isn't to blame for boys choosing to rape. Rapes and gang rapes happen across all generations, times, and places. Rapists don't get to have an excuse ready.

I would wager rapes per capita were much much higher during the middle ages, and they didn't even have the internet, never mind PH.

Indeed - and now exacerbated by social media algorithms featuring Andrew Tate and other assorted misogynistic "men's rights" parasites. It's a situation that unfortunately is only going to get worse. And the justice system around it is an absolute joke.

If it happened to one of mine the culprits should be praying for a very lengthy custodial sentence, or that their parents are willing to move far, far away.

I think that these guys are just scumbags tbh.

Because I've watched some really shocking Porn content over the years (that are legal obviously) and I have never even thought to do anything like this, because morally it's an evil action to do to anyone.

I feel like the most that Porn probably did, was give these kids a method of how to attack the girl, but I don't believe that Porn can turn decent kids into rapists.

Is it brown on white rape ammi?

I'm innocent Chris I swear.

(Goes to eat Pizza)

Porn absolutely contributes to a twisted mindset towards women, and twisted expectations of sexual relationships in general. As I said above though - the extra element that's making it worse is the general all-round misogyny being spread by Redpill/MRA type "influencers". And it's probably the bigger part of the problem. But the two are interlinked.

I think it's worse for the girl who has also watched porn and feels like this is what every girl wants.

I strongly disagree, and it's relevant to acknowledge your anti-porn attitude, which I don't agree with, but each to their own and it's none of anyone else's business outside of these discussions. I'm only bringing it up now because you've mentioned it yourself previously.

I agree with the 2nd part of what you said though, and I would also add in - looking at their mixed ages and because of how many there were, that peer pressure probably dragged a couple of them along to a place they would never have been otherwise. Not excusing anyone as we all make our own choices, but I think it's a factor.

Using that logic slim, do you think both of Jamie bulgers killers are as guilty as each other?

Yes. The power dynamic between boys of similar ages is a lot different to that between a 12yr old and a 16yr old.

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Porn in general and the pornography industry are inherently misogynistic and exploitative, 95%+ of the women you've ever watched in porn have come out of the industry either mentally damaged, physically damaged, or likely both. Many of them were vulnerable before they entered in the first place. Some of them were probably coerced.

A very, very small percentage who have effectively "won the porn lottery" will have had a very successful career and have made a lot of money. Most of them will still have suffered physical damage. Many will experience strong regret and possible mental health issues as a result of their time in the industry - even if it was as on-the-level as it gets and they made a tonne of cash.

I dunno man it's not so much that I'm just "anti-porn" as that I find it a little difficult to get a chub on when considering all of the (easily and clearly verifiable) statistics about the effect of the porn industry on women, both individually and societally. And I don't think it's an "each to their own"... I think the industry should be burned to the ground and a large proportion of the big names at the top of it should be in prison.

100 per cent, back in the day the most boys would have access to were some top shelf mags or page 3 boobs, now from a very early age probably as early as 7 or 8 if they have a smart phone they have access to the most horrendous stuff made for adults who allegedly can tell the difference between fact and fiction. Unfortunately for the 7 year old its not exactly the kind of thing they are going to discuss with an adult to get a different perspective.

Sure but thats besides the point

Indeed Parmy the number of young girls who engage in painful (and sometimes dangerous - "choking" being a prime example) sexual activity in large part because porn has made it seem "normal" is sky high. It's bloody awful.

Adults are obviously entitled to engage in whatever experimentation they find interesting to find out what they might genuinely enjoy ... but that's a million miles from the expectation. Expectation from boys that it's normal to ask for it, acceptance from girls that it's abnormal to say a flat no to it.

(Just to acknowledge, this expectation-acceptance dynamic does sometimes go the other way from girls to boys, but much less often)

There are lots of industries that are purely exploitative, and yet we all have mobile phones, branded clothing, and forgive me for the assumption, but I would wager that Mrs Soldier has at least a couple of stones. So we all make these choices everyday.

I still think adults making decisions for themselves is completely different, as we discussed in that old only fans thread a while back.

Blaming Porn for rape is like blaming Video Games or Movies for murders.

I get why people want to blame these things, because it can be more comforting than thinking that a bunch of kids are broken from something that's probably going on in their actual lives, rather than what's going on, on the Internet.

Edit... The Redpill guys pray on already mentally vulnerable people imo, again I don't believe that they can make these people go unstable though, but they definitely encourage it imo, which should be prosecuted I feel.

You can disagree with the point, but if rape existed before internet porn on a probable much larger scale, then why is a diet of internet porn to blame? It just goes to show that there will always be males that will do this.

I just want to say that any woman that would want me to choke them during sex, is making me do a runner.:laugh:

Sure, but I also dont think access to porn at an age where you are vulnerable and unable to decipher what is going on helps do you? We have age ratings on films for a reason..... why would porn be any different, its an adult activity at the end of the day

I don't want to move this discussion away from this absolutely heinous story, but there is at least a logic of enhanced orgasms behind this. I've dated a couple of girls that enjoyed and asked me to do this, and I also had a friend that used to Michael Hutchence himself regularly, obviously not to the point of death.

Anyway, apologies for dragging this thread and mods feel free to delete if this is too out of place.

Fair play to people that enjoy that stuff.

But that particular kink is not for me.

I sort of agree, but sort of not. Obviously porn isn't for children, but horror films aren't either, and I watched plenty of both as a kid, as did everyone in my school.

I think an issue where I do have a blind spot, is being able to fully understand how these things can affect different people in different ways, even though I know that they do.

The active role that porn plays into the objectification of women - all women, not just women within the industry - in subtle and fundamental ways is specifically what makes this different from pretty much any other example you can offer. There is a MASSIVE difference between product borne of exploitation and harm, and a product that inherently displays exploitation by it's nature and is in itself harmful.

The "it happened in the past before the Internet" argument is more or less moot; pornography alongside the exploitation and sexual objectification of women is as old as civilisation, there is no "before". And the fact that it's always been present doesn't mean that it should be accepted as inevitable.

But hey nothing sexier than Sky high rates of suicide and addiction and absolutely shocking examples of incontinence and irreversible prolapse caused by the porn industry :thumbs: enjoy your wank.

The Porn industry could definitely do with cleaning up it's act behind the scenes (as could many industries tbh,) but I am with Slim that Porn isn't that much different from other industries that have a lot of criminal activity behind the scenes.

Plus, Porn is one of the last industries where attractive women still exist.:joker:

I'm joking on the last part (to an extent) but it does to me feel like Porn is getting scapegoated in the same way that GTA used to get back in the day, when a child would commit a murder and it would turn out that the kid would be a fan of GTA.

I'm going to leave this one alone because it just winds me up too much honestly.

I accept that people have their vices, and if accepting it for what it is and continuing to engage with and consume pornography is on balance something anyone wants to accept as a reasonable trade-off to keep doing something they enjoy, I can actually accept that for what it is. No one is without their vices, anyone who claims to be is lying.

However... to ignore the facts and argue that it's not an issue and not harmful, when it has been shown, indisputably, time and time again, to be an industry (both professional and amateur) that causes both direct and indirect harm, in order to continue to enjoy it with a guilt-free conscience, is something else entirely.

I don't agree that the procurement of lithium or diamonds is inherently less exploitative. Both industries known for primarily using children, along with the sweatshops, but hey :thumbs: enjoy your Nikes. My point was that we're all hypocrites to some degree when it comes to our peccadillos, it's just that you're pretending that you aren't.

It isn't moot. It's moot in your opinion, and reality isn't acceptance, it's reality. The fact it's evolutionary in it's nature proves that it isn't anything to do with porn, and I think the best anyone can ever do is to concentrate on personal morals, and to ensure we pass those on to the next generations of our families. Blaming porn does more to provide a free pass than anything I've written, and I don't think any decent person finds it acceptable, but it's ok to be acknowledge what is true at the same time.

Again (though I really am going to leave this after reiterating) the issue is in not accepting that pornography is both individually harmful to the women in the industry and societally harmful in the product that results from the industry. You might not agree with the second part, but I have to put that down to willfully not actually looking into the industry or the effects of pornography consumption. It's not guesswork it's just, as you say, what is true.

Are children exploited and harmed in sweatshops, yes. Are people in fact exploited by all industry, yes. But (generally speaking, though there will he exceptions) no one is then further harmed by the product created. You cannot say the same about pornography. The evidence is vast. It is societally harmful. The objectification of women is societally harmful and directly leads to individual harm. Would it "happen anyway"? Sadly, yes. Does porn contribute to it happening more, and some of what happens. I'm sorry but the inconvenient FACT is that yes, it does. To others not involved in the industry. It is different.

…it’s interesting that females watch porn as well and I’m sure that males are also subject to exploitation in that industry because it’s such a highly exploitative industry…so far as violent acts are concerned, it does tend to be more male on female and rape is primarily an act of violence…/…an act of control and power…

….hmmmmm, just looking back at the phrase of ‘internet porn’ being used…I/we obviously don’t know that any type of exposure to porn is a factor here…and equally, any child who is part of committing such an awful act as this, could themselves also have experienced violence and abuse themselves…but just staying on track and focusing on that phrase/descriptive…it is a relevant thing ….because since the internet began and up until now/these present times…not just porn, but many violent things and acts are filmed …we could say that victims of violence and violations become part part of ‘storylines’ for some people that are drawn to that violent content…?….I mean, I know it’s a what if and a whatabout etc…but what if that rape of that poor girl was filmed with intent to put onto the internet for others to watch…?…and that does happen, doesn’t it….so then we have to look at the impact of another child in watching it, if they did gain access…?….and so it goes on…multiple/gang rape seems to be something we hear about more and more and yes, they’re absolutely acts of violence and control…but is there also a factor of an intention to put on the internet for others to watch this awful act…it’s all quite terrifying to think…

the likelihood of it being filmed is very high, so many involved is also a factor in it being filmed, the article doesn't mention gang rape thankfully but the trauma along with this going online is just too hard to contemplate

Porn has it's problems behind the scenes, I don't think that anyone is denying that.

It's just to me personally, I don't see how an entertainment product (which is what Porn is intended to be) turns normal children into rapists? To me that already tells me that these children were already broken, and Porn possibly gave them a method to act it out on this poor girl.

But my belief is that if it weren't Porn or Andrew Tate (whichever one that it's likely to be) then I think that they would've committed another criminal offense instead.

Damaged kids is always a sad scenario imo, but I would be looking at family members, Teachers, or Social Media Influencers maybe possibly teaching these kids dangerous ideology, and then they've taken it to the victim.

…I guess that one of the things that I’m trying to say is that what comes under the umbrella of ‘porn’ isn’t something that’s remained static over time because most things do evolve, don’t they…and ‘internet porn’ has kind of become and is becoming even more…a different beast, I feel…not that long ago for instance, ‘revenge porn’ wouldn’t be something that any of us had even heard the phrase…and yet it’s become a commonplace term…because so much is filmed with the intention of ‘sharing’….its not only the impact on those young impressionables being exposed to it, either….its also that it’s yet another layer of horrendous that a victim may have to cope with…and with the internet, it’s that phrase that we’ve all heard…’once something is out there, it’s out there…’…and these things can and have caused victims to take their own lives ….

…and yeah, with the reality of what appears to have come about with eight very young people…/children all ‘binding together’ in like mind to commit this horrendous, violent act…there is also very much a thought that this could have all been filmed and in itself become a very disturbing ‘internet porn’ …

So sad for the girl. My heart goes out to her.

This porn debate, and does it make men more violent towards women is such a complex subject. It's slightly reminiscent of the 80's BBFC/Whitehouse/Video Nasty debate - Does sexual violence on screen "inspire", usually young men, to commit rape, violent sexual assaults against women (and men)? I lean on the side of "no, on the whole, i don't think is does" but it's a matter of opinion. I certainly don't think film and video games inspire people to commit violent crimes, and unforgivable crimes like rape. But then, even at a young age we know films, TV, games, are acted/faked. But then so much of this porn is real, or at least presented as real.

I do tend to agree with Slim more on this subject though. I feel like when these horrendous things happen we try and seek out answers, because such awful acts are so hard to justify. I understand that. When the poor little James Bulger murder happened we blamed films. When some kid in the US got a gun and went on a shooting spree we blamed video games. When Columbine happened we blamed Marilyn Manson. These things happened all pre mainstream internet. And many more similar acts happened before internet was even a word in the dictionary. These kind of things unfortunately happen, always have, and sadly always will. I feel it's natural to look for justification, but we also need to accept some people are just evil. And some people are very mentally ill with little to no control over their actions.

Blaming media isn't the way forward.

i do think that some media gives some ideas they would not have thought of if they hadn't seen it.

A minuscule percentage maybe. But look at what alcohol does to people every single weekend. They're under the influence of alcohol and do things, silly, or sometimes more serious things they wouldn't dream of doing in their everyday regular lives.

Perhaps these boys had had a drink before they did this? That should be a question asked too. You know why it isn't though? Because most people who use media like films they're not interested in, music they're not interested in, tv they're not interested in, games they're not interested in as something to blame for these kind of things is because they.....Have no interest in them, and don't get pleasure from the those things, so sod it, that's to blame, ban it!!

Blame a bottle of gin on a violent crime, and watch the same people usually ban happy on stuff they don't care for, jump on the defence.

This is terrible
and Not on TV News?

Its just a another raped girl I guess ....?

one wonders why.....?

The difference is that unlike the usual media blaming that goes on, such as with movies, TV and video games, this is not guesswork nor is it "blame culture" bluster.

The effect of pornograohy on male attitudes towards women and girls and the objectification of women and commoditisation of sex has been studied, extensively, and the negative effects have been shown to be huge and real. It's also been studied and extensively proven that the objectification of women and commoditisation of sex increases the risk of sexual assault and rape.

All I'm really seeing is people who don't like the facts because they want to continue to enjoy the porn.

And like I said before, if it's just that it's an acceptable trade-off for you, in order to to continue enjoying something that you enjoy then :shrug: that's up to you - slim is correct, few things in this world come at zero moral cost.

But pretending that porn doesn't contribute to rape culture, sexual assault and other sexual violence is purely and simply lying to yourself. You're imagining that the majority of rapes are carried out by creepy predators attacking strangers on darkened nights. That's not the case. The majority of sexual violence is perpetrated by friends, boyfriends, workmates, and other close associates. Sexual violence within relationships is through the roof. Porn consumption is a major contributing factor. It just undebatably is... The work has been done, the results are in.