Who is the most personable/charismatic party leader?
 

Nigel hands down. Starmer is far too smarmy amd Rishi is a craven coward.

Nige.

There's none at present.
Not a single one.

Rishi and me are very alike just hanging out in our samba trainers listening to country music

100% Nigel

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Cheers LT. Great pic.

People believing that Farage is a good ol' salt of the earth chap who they could enjoy a pint with. He's an all-boys private boarding school kid whose good at finding a photo op - he doesn't actually want to sit with you :joker:. You must realise that. He's cut from the same cloth as the rest of them. He's just good at posing with a steak pie and chips and a pint of real ale. Performative nonsense.

Ed Davey is campaigning by just have a lovely time on the water, best vibes

Nobody comes close to Boris


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Lmao NONE of them

Literally Ed's the only correct answer. Seems like a genuinely nice, normal bloke.

I worry that so many seem to find Farage "personable" tbh. :shocked:

how good is this :joker:

https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1797724195952193785

Very good LT.

It is very worrying but it’s the very sad times we live in.

Harold Wilson liked to smoke cigars and drink brandy, but his public persona was of a pipe smoking pint drinker. My point is that i would rather have a genuine person than one created for public consumption. Sunak is insincere, but he is the most genuine of the lot of them. I think that should tell you everything you need to know

Insincere but genuine?

They’re all ****ing awful.

that's not what i said :laugh:

I'm paraphrasing of course but that is kind of what you said...

Whoever has the biggest man boobs.

But seriously, I don't really know, I'd have to have a real hard think about this question.

Starmer

:joker:

They don’t find him personable, because he literally isn’t, he’s a slimeball, they enjoy his racism

I watched something the other day about when people say they miss the good old days. What they really mean is they miss saying and doing things they want without facing consequences for it

Then he is my man.:dance:

Tbf, people shouldn't be facing consequences to their lives for saying something (unless it's threatening in nature.)

Doing things does depend on what that action is imo.

Depends what they’re saying really. Think the point of the video was that people were so openly hateful and society just accepted it. Nowadays that’s not the case.

Oh, I'm glad that society doesn't in general agree with those viewpoints anymore, and free speech does work both ways regardless of my opinion.

Deleted a lot of arguing posts, as well as baiting.

There is no need to carry out these arguments on the forum. You could at least use private messages.

(Don't reply to this message. Anything you want to say about it, you can PM me.)

Pass. They're all dull.

Including the now ex Reform leader Richard Tice.

Gawd that guy gives me the creeps. He's like this closet serial killer. :p

"Don't openly debate on the debates forums :nono: we've been quite clear that we don't actually want them :fist:"

Sorry James you'll have to infract I'm not PMing anyone unless it's to have a giggle/vent :joker:.

You'll have to infract me as well James. I've tried to have a pm conversation with Glenn but he just replies with a terse fcuk off!

I got an infration for using one of Tibb's own smilies

this one

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ridiculous

Ed's my fave too.

Correct

We prefer being free to speak as opposed to having some self appointed speech police ruling over us and deciding what we can say.

I know it's difficult for you brought up in the nanny state to understand. You know no different.

I agree on principle that legal consequences should only be for extreme cases.

What I find hilarious is that certain people now believe that they should have speech free from social consequences as well. This has never existed. You can't have your cake and eat it too - if you want a world where free speech is upheld without the law interfering, you have to accept that groups of individuals also have the freedom to act on what's been said, i.e. boycotting, refusal of entry, social exclusion.

In "primitive times" a wee bit too much free speech would just have got you clubbed across the head :joker:.

Where on earth did the entitled idea that people should be able to run their mouth with ZERO consequences come from? :joker:

tl;dr "Free speech without government control", yes 100%.

But "Talk sh** get hit" -- :shrug: that's nature, bro. If you keep saying things people don't like, it's going to bite you, so you weigh up how much flak you're willing to take and act accordingly. Surely.

Like that great SOuthpark cartoon

Just use violence and threats and you can shut people up no problem and back that up by framing any criticism as a phobia and get useful idiots to patrol that for you as it makes them feel virtuous

that is working a charm

The only alternative is to have government-protected free speech "for some" as opposed to government denial of free speech "for some" and at the end of the day, what's the difference?

The line obviously should be physical retaliation, and the threat of physical retaliation, but it seems that there are an awful lot of people who don't like vocal retaliation or non-violent activism either and get very huffy/teary about not being able to "say what they want" without anyone getting mad at them and saying nasty mean things :worry:. Which is so gosh darned childish it's genuinely sad, and endlessly ironic :umm2:.

Well could it be Stephen Fry ??

I wish someone would start a brand new party

No politicians .. just honest , super-intelligent, experienced people .

Get successful financiers in charge of the nation’s finances .. amazing doctors/surgeons / dietitians in charge of the NHS and so on ..

The best people for the jobs/roles


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I'm all for a benevolent meritocracy personally :flutter:. Democracy doesn't really work.

However.

Currently, the money in politics simply isn't good enough to attract real talent. So you only get three types of people

1) People who are actually not top of their field at all
2) People who are independently wealthy and don't need the salary (hello Tories)
3) People who are in it for ideological reasons, could make more money elsewhere but will take a pay cut to try to make a difference.


...and #3 will discover quite quickly that they can't make any meaningful difference whatsoever in our current political system, so will abandon politics for either a more comfortable life or to work in the not-for-profit 3rd sector where they can at least make a SMALL difference to real people's lives.